The world would be a better place if we lived by science

steddyeddy

Would the world be a better place if science governed our politics and morals. Straight off the bat science doesn't recognise races. There's less than 1% difference in the genetic code of all humans. That should end racism.

The Palestinians and the Jews are nearly identical genetically indicating they both come from the same region. There's no Holy land ! No more wars there.

No more ISIS because there's no religion.

No more American health service because science says treating the individual to deal with pathogens rather than society doesn't work and makes things worse (multi drug resistant bacteria).

Would the world be a better place if we let science govern our lives?

5starpool

If religion never existed I'm sure people would find stuff to fight over, but no religion would be a great start.

Gongoozler

But races are different in terms of science. Some races are more likely than others to get certain conditions or diseases

CFlat

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace.

Fleawuss

The world is ruled by science. Even crazy sh*t like religion is rooted in human consciousness Like all our delusions it serves a short term purpose: to stop us from facing the truth that the world is governed by science.

Ally Dick

Lack of religion could mean lack of morals, so I am not sure that living by science is enough

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

Would the world be a better place if science governed our politics and morals. Straight off the bat science doesn't recognise races. There's less than 1% difference in the genetic code of all humans. That should end racism.

The Palestinians and the Jews are nearly identical genetically indicating they both come from the same region. There's no Holy land ! No more wars there.

No more ISIS because there's no religion.

No more American health service because science says treating the individual to deal with pathogens rather than society doesn't work and makes things worse (multi drug resistant bacteria).

Would the world be a better place if we let science govern our lives?

That would be like moving to Vulcan.

Junkyard Tom

Thank God for science!

steddyeddy

Candie wrote: »

That would be like moving to Vulcan.

I know. Do you not find Spock sexy Candie?

La Fenetre

steddyeddy wrote: »

Would the world be a better place if science governed our politics and morals. Straight off the bat science doesn't recognise races. There's less than 1% difference in the genetic code of all humans. That should end racism.

The Palestinians and the Jews are nearly identical genetically indicating they both come from the same region. There's no Holy land ! No more wars there.

No more ISIS because there's no religion.

No more American health service because science says treating the individual to deal with pathogens rather than society doesn't work and makes things worse (multi drug resistant bacteria).

Would the world be a better place if we let science govern our lives?

Science is a tool that can cure cancer or create an atomic bomb and chemical weapons. A knife can be used for killing or cooking. Religion can be used for good or bad. Computers can be used for ill or good. Again, it's all in the hands of the user.

sonny.knowles

The Nazi's liked science also.

steddyeddy

Gongoozler wrote: »

But races are different in terms of science. Some races are more likely than others to get certain conditions or diseases

Some people with certain mutations are prone to certain diseases. These mutations might correlate to an ethnicity or culture but those mutations cannot be linked with these cultures.

buried

Science made the atomic bomb

RobertKK

Oil wars would continue, but less now with fracking.
Water is iincreasingly an issue of contention.
Arab Spring uprising had nothing to do with religion, but the price of food being so high was the trigger.

Humans being humans, there will always be wars and violence as science and religion can't control greed, dangerous ambition - like Russia retaking Crimea because Khrushchev was stupid in the first instance to give it as a gift to Ukraine.

Religion is often used as an excuse but people have to take personal responsibility for their actions rather than trying to push it on to something much larger, we all have to make choices how we interact with others, and we know even if there was no religion there are people who will make really bad choices that will have a bad effect on others.

strelok

bring back eugenics!

Fr_Dougal

If we lived by science there would be no free will.

steddyeddy

buried wrote: »

Science made the atomic bomb

And politics deployed it.

RobertKK

CFlat wrote: »

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace.

He was away with the fairies.

buried

steddyeddy wrote: »

And politics deployed it.

No. The yanks did

Gererreh Tona

What exactly IS science? Think before you answer that one.. I mean in the context of something to "live by". I don't see any practical way not to "live by" science.

La Fenetre

steddyeddy wrote: »

And politics deployed it.

And politics, just like science can be used for good or bad.

Junkyard Tom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLj4iwa0__8

sonny.knowles

strelok wrote: »

bring back eugenics!

Ignore my Thanks, I thought you mean bring back Eugene. Gavin, the new lad, is a knob.

steddyeddy

strelok wrote: »

bring back eugenics!

Now on what scientific principles did eugenics rely on? It wasn't genetics or anthropology. They were hijacked by the eugenics crowd.

Sh1tbag OToole

It will be a very boring place. Science doesn't replace religion in the way Dawkins fanboys like to think it does, nor will getting rid of it mean the end of ISIS. There will always be people in this world who won't accept the lifestyle being foisted upon us by Western government and business and there will always be people who are going to cause trouble no matter what.

B.A._Baracus

Whats that saying... "The more things change the more they stay the same"
So yeah even if we lived in a world without religion there would still be wars, murders, rapes, you name it.

La Fenetre

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Whats that saying... "The more things change the more they stay the same"
So yeah even if we lived in a world without religion there would still be wars, murders, rapes, you name it.

Thing is, what would people have to blame them on then ?

wakka12

Why would science end racism? People are racist because people of different races look different to each other, Im pretty sure racists don't give two ****s how little or much genetic code they have in common with some other person of different race, science wont prevent their eyes from seeing a person who looks different to them

Drumpot

The problem isn't religion, it's people.

Certain People in the right environment will find a way to exploit the vulnerable.

Out of the worlds religious population how many people Use it to cause atrocities and how many use the positive teachings (commandments etc) to live more balanced lives? It's easy to blame religion but religion is not a problem at all, it's when people start abusing it for their own agenda.

Something would eventually replace religion. Indeed one could argue that money, via capitalism is a modern religion mascerading as a financial system. Think of how many people are effected by the rogue actions of a small few! Think of how wealth is spread and how wealth equates to power over others.

People are very much close minded on the true state of the world they are born into. conformed to believe the problem is seldom human nature which is what most atrocities usually boil down to.

steddyeddy

Gererreh Tona wrote: »

What exactly IS science? Think before you answer that one.. I mean in the context of something to "live by". I don't see any practical way not to "live by" science.

Science is the principles of applying scientific method to hypothesis and thereby finding those hypothesis null or proven. Then applying the knowledge gained through that.

E.G The middle east Israel problem. Jews and Palestinians are fighting over the land. Science says they both originate from the same land and are both Semitic peoples.

steddyeddy

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

It will be a very boring place. Science doesn't replace religion in the way Dawkins fanboys like to think it does, nor will getting rid of it mean the end of ISIS. There will always be people in this world who won't accept the lifestyle being foisted upon us by Western government and business and there will always be people who are going to cause trouble no matter what.

I am far from a Dawkins fanboy. His science is worth knowing but as a person he's not the nicest.

One eyed Jack

steddyeddy wrote: »

Would the world be a better place if we let science govern our lives?

Would you really put your faith in the word of a Ugandan scientist explaining homosexuality with magnets?

No, neither would I tbh.

'Science' is as easily corruptible as any other ideology.

kneemos

No art,creativity or wonderment. No thanks.

StewartGriffin

Sick of these Scientology threads...:pac:

Sh1tbag OToole

steddyeddy wrote: »

I am far from a Dawkins fanboy. His science is worth knowing but as a person he's not the nicest.

Wasn't suggesting that you in particular are one but its the kind of thing these fanboys used to regularly come out with.

Some other unpleasant thing will rush in to fill the void left by religion. Probably greed. I'm convinced people nearly always come up with the dislike for a certain group of people first and only later try to attach a justification for it.

Fleawuss

Right: those who don't want to live under the tyrant of science log off, cancel your connection to the national grid and go and grow cabbages in Roscommon. But even growing cabbages in Roscommon you do because of photosynthesis and ... Lads the only place not ruled by science is with Allah or Jesus or some such.

Fleawuss

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Would you really put your faith in the word of a Ugandan scientist explaining homosexuality with magnets?

No, neither would I tbh.

'Science' is as easily corruptible as any other ideology.

No more than I would in the word of an Irish priest explaining reality on the basis of "god" telling some middle eastern man 3000 years ago and there's no contradicting "god".

Tarzana2

Gongoozler wrote: »

But races are different in terms of science. Some races are more likely than others to get certain conditions or diseases

Aye, there ARE differences between different ethnics groups.

aidoh

steddyeddy wrote: »

Would the world be a better place if science governed our politics and morals. Straight off the bat science doesn't recognise races. There's less than 1% difference in the genetic code of all humans. That should end racism.

Science does recognise race though.
It doesn't recognise the old hierarchical classification of different 'types' of humans obviously, but you can identify groups of people based on population genetic structure - it just depends on how detailed you want your microsatellite markers to be I suppose.
Even other animal populations can be divided into geographical races.
In terms of something like skin colour for example; skin colour is widely understood to be adaptive in different light intensity environments (hotter, brighter places dark skin and vice versa for somewhere like Ireland!). It's genetically inherited too obviously. Two human skin phenotypes could also be considered separate races too, especially since there's a geographic pattern explaining the phenotypic variation (generally human skin gets darker the further south you travel).

So, as a fellow scientist, I'll have to disagree with you on the race thing, but agree with you that applying the scientific method to every day problems would make the world better for everyone!

One eyed Jack

Fleawuss wrote: »

No more than I would in the word of an Irish priest explaining reality on the basis of "god" telling some middle eastern man 3000 years ago and there's no contradicting "god".

What's the common denominator between an ideology like science, and an ideology like religion? What's the common denominator in any ideology actually?

People, society, power, control, politics.

I think we can both think of examples of incredibly intelligent people who used an ideology in a negative way to further their own vision for society, and just as many examples of incredibly intelligent people who used an ideology in a positive way to further their own vision for society.

The problem isn't the ideology, it's the motivation of the people who use the ideology, either for the good of society, or to the detriment of society.

smash

Would there still be travellers?

entropi

sonny.knowles wrote: »

The Nazi's liked science also.

Took a whole 11 posts to Godwin the thread...not bad.

buried wrote: »

Science made the atomic bomb

Politics facilitated this, it didn't need to be created. It may have been created eventually, but war creates technological advances in greater leaps.

Fleawuss

kneemos wrote: »

No art,creativity or wonderment. No thanks.

Better to wonder at a child dying from infection than to cure it. Better to wonder at the heavens than create telescopes to explore them, design spaceships to travel to them or create mathematics to model them. Let's all sit in a darkened cave. The utter stupidity of the quoted post should be stickied as an example of the worst the forum can offer.

La Fenetre

entropi wrote: »

Politics facilitated this, it didn't need to be created.

So how would politics have created it if science didn't gladly assist ?

Like anything else, you can use politics and science for good or bad, it's no mystery.

sonny.knowles

smash wrote: »

Would there still be travellers?

On an unrelated subject, would there still be burglars?

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

I know. Do you not find Spock sexy Candie?

Not especially.

Diversity of thought, emotion and talent is what makes us able to land probes on comets as well as write literature that can move us to tears, or action, or laughter.

We're multifaceted beings, we could live by one set of rules, but not thrive if we don't express all our aspects. We're far too interesting, capricious, fickle, creative, emotional, compassionate and irrational to be herded into a single way of thinking, and humanity is better off for that, imo.

YungKeo

I'd love to be able to clone a few sheep at mass on a Sunday morning

One eyed Jack

Fleawuss wrote: »

Better to wonder at a child dying from infection than to cure it. Better to wonder at the heavens than create telescopes to explore them, design spaceships to travel to them or create mathematics to model them. Let's all sit in a darkened cave. The utter stupidity of the quoted post should be stickied as an example of the worst the forum can offer.

The question is should society be ruled by science, and without art, creativity or wonderment, there would be nothing to inspire people to do any of the above. We would indeed still be sitting in a darkened cave.

Fortunately for humanity, I wouldn't consider your post an example of the best that science can offer. Society would cease to function if it were solely reliant on science.

Fleawuss

YungKeo wrote: »

I'd love to be able to clone a few sheep at mass on a Sunday morning

Oh they can do much better than that: they turn wine and bread into human blood and flesh. Science can't explain that! So there.

aidoh

La Fenetre wrote: »

So how would politics have created it if science didn't gladly assist ?

Like anything else, you can use politics and science for good or bad, it's no mystery.

"Science" didn't create it. Individual scientists and engineers did. Maybe they were strong-armed into it, maybe they were offered obscene money, maybe they had a misplaced sense of national pride etc. etc.
People make bombs not "science".

Fleawuss

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The question is should society be ruled by science, and without art, creativity or wonderment, there would be nothing to inspire people to do any of the above. We would indeed still be sitting in a darkened cave.

Fortunately for humanity, I wouldn't consider your post an example of the best that science can offer. Society would cease to function if it were solely reliant on science.

Glad to see that you agree that wonder creativity and art are all found in science. Which is what the post quoted denied.
Congratulations on your elevation to speak on behalf of humanity.