Riello problem. Can you solve??

Dtp1979

Had an interesting one today. Solved it eventually.
Pump ok
Tiger loop ok
Boiler locks out after 12 seconds
Control box, cell and usual bits were fine
Anyone have a guess?

anthonyos

No idea what was it

Dtp1979

anthonyos wrote: »

No idea what was it

Jaysus in not gonna give it away straight away.!

agusta

a guess, fire valve

Dtp1979

agusta wrote: »

a guess, fire valve

Like me, a lot of guessing and cursing was used. But no, remote acting fire valve was perfect.

agusta

So the fault wasnt the burner,second guess ,air intake

Dtp1979

agusta wrote: »

So the fault wasnt the burner,second guess ,air intake

Nope.

J Madone

No oil

The Sidewards Man

Did you forget to open the oil tap at the tank?

agusta

partially blocked flue

anthonyos

Jimf and weab are needed

The Sidewards Man

Did you wire it backwards?

jimf

if a riello 40 a guess coil

Wearb

Loose PC connection.

bpmurray

Air lock.

Walter Becket

Something blocking the photo cell from seeing the flame or water instead of oil.

Wearb

My last guess; no spark.

Dtp1979

Nope. Damaged hose.air break in it. Oil wasn't circulating. Couldn't suck it from the tiger loop

jimf

so boiler wasn't firing at all I misread your post to think it was firing and cutting out after 12 seconds

had 1 a while back without the tigerloop do exactly the same and by jaysus it was a bitch to solve

as the pump will suck in air but oil wont leak out it can be a head wrecker but well done it sorting it

Wearb

In all fairness Dtp. "Pump ok" in your first post was assumed mean pump pressure ok.

Still got us all thinking.

Dtp1979

Wearb wrote: »

In all fairness Dtp. "Pump ok" in your first post was assumed mean pump pressure ok.

Still got us all thinking.

I fitted a brand new pump wearb. I'd blown back the oil line. Id fitted a new tiger loop so I was confident they were 100% and there was no blockage in the oil line

Wearb

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I fitted a brand new pump wearb. I'd blown back the oil line. Id fitted a new tiger loop so I was confident they were 100% and there was no blockage in the oil line

First thing I do after fitting a new pump is set pressure. But when at your wits end, you sometimes forget the basics. Been there. Sometimes nothing for it only get away from it for a few minutes, like having a cuppa and a chat with the customer and starting from scratch again.

Got us all thinking Dtp. Good to have to give the old grey matter a workout every now and then.

jimf

slightly off topic if you do ever come across a riello 40 firing and going to lockout after 12 seconds and you have ruled out the pc and control box and the combination of both pc and cb be suspicious of the coil not usually how a coil goes arseways but had it happen to me once

Dtp1979

Wearb wrote: »

First thing I do after fitting a new pump is set pressure. But when at your wits end, you sometimes forget the basics.

But I couldn't set the pressure cause it always locked out.

Wearb

Dtp1979 wrote: »

But I couldn't set the pressure cause it always locked out.

Were you getting any pressure reading during that 12sec run?

Dtp1979

Wearb wrote: »

Were you getting any pressure reading during that 12sec run?

Went up to 2 bar when the solenoid lifted

Wearb

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Went up to 2 bar when the solenoid lifted

Good to know. Never know when you're going to come across something similar.

Dtp1979

Wearb wrote: »

Good to know. Never know when you're going to come across something similar.

I certainly won't forget it anyway!

agusta

maybe i read your first post wrong,my reading was the burner went to lockout after running for 12 seconds,instead of burner going to lock out after 5 seconds,very unusual fault alright,good to know alright

Dtp1979

agusta wrote: »

maybe i read your first post wrong,my reading was the burner went to lockout after running for 12 seconds,instead of burner going to lock out after 5 seconds,very unusual fault alright,good to know alright

Ye reading back I could've worded it better alright.

The Sidewards Man

Are you going to turn this into a Fair City plot and run it for 2 years?

Wearb

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Are you going to turn this into a Fair City plot and run it for 2 years?

See post:
13/11/2015 08:32

Dtp1979

Wearb wrote: »

See post:
13/11/2015 08:32

Sssshhh say nothin.

The Sidewards Man

After you saying in your op the tiger loop was ok it turns out the tiger loop was the problem. Not the brightest bulb in the chandelier are we?

Dtp1979

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

After you saying in your op the tiger loop was ok it turns out the tiger loop was the problem. Not the brightest bulb in the chandelier are we?

Where the hell did I say the tiger loop was the problem?
Whatever Google showed up for you when searching for tiger loop, go back and re read it. Btw, a tiger loop isn't when a tiger walks around in circles in the zoo

The Sidewards Man

Damaged hose, that would be all the fuel supply. You said in your op post tiger loop ok so suggesting that fuel supply was not an issue.

Dtp1979

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Damaged hose, that would be all the fuel supply. You said in your op post tiger loop ok so suggesting that fuel supply was not an issue.

No, the tiger loop was brand new. rye pump was new.
So where did I say the tiger loop was the problem?

jimf

I thought until recently tigerloops wer for filling hotwater bottles

The Sidewards Man

Was the hose attached to the tiger loop?

Dtp1979

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Was the hose attached to the tiger loop?

Yes it was, the oil pump was also attached to the hose. And the 10mm oil pipe was attached to the tiger loop. I still don't see how you figured that I said the tiger loop was at fault.

The Sidewards Man

You threw people off the trail of though with your bad wording in your opening post, anyone that gets information that tiger loop is ok would automatically make a judgement that the person had ruled out its ancillary's. Do you know what ancillary's are now? they are not any zoo or circus related item.

Dtp1979

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

You threw people off the trail of though with your bad wording in your opening post, anyone that gets information that tiger loop is ok would automatically make a judgement that the person had ruled out its ancillary's. Do you know what ancillary's are now? they are not any zoo or circus related item.

I said the tiger loop was perfect. It was.
I said the pump was perfect. It was
I said the oil line was clear. It was.

You're the one who came along and claimed that I said it was the tiger loop.
You're obviously a troll looking to start trouble. Go away. I'm the bigger fool for feeding the troll.

The Sidewards Man

You messed up this thread from get go, saying the tiger loop was ok suggested the complete fuel system was ok. Can you not comprehend what I am saying?

Dtp1979

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

You messed up this thread from get go, saying the tiger loop was ok suggested the complete fuel system was ok. Can you not comprehend what I am saying?

I'm comprehending that you picked it up completley arseways alright. Surprising that nobody that actually knew what they were talking about came to the same conclusion as you.

The Sidewards Man

If it was a failed fitting that was connected to the tiger loop would you have still said tiger loop ok?

Dtp1979

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

If it was a failed fitting that was connected to the tiger loop would you have still said tiger loop ok?

It was obviously an oil problem. I said what was working. I was leaving it to the experienced oil service men ( not diyers like yourself) to see if they came to the conclusion that I did.
If you ever did more than bleed an oil burner ( prob through the pressure adjusting screw) then you'd know every little part has its own role.
I simply stated what WAS working.

Dtp1979

I'm off to bed, goodnight troll

The Sidewards Man

You are one insulting little man, claiming im a troll and diyer and you the so called pro with your previous plumbing threads looking for advice off strangers on the interweb fro plumbing problems. You are some garsun alright.

The Sidewards Man

Night DTP sleep well lad.

Dtp1979

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

You are one insulting little man, claiming im a troll and diyer and you the so called pro with your previous plumbing threads looking for advice off strangers on the interweb fro plumbing problems. You are some garsun alright.

Well thanks for taking the time to read back. I don't pretend to know it all and often ask other PROFESSIONALS for advice.

The Sidewards Man

Anyone looking for info on public forums is not a professional and should hang up their tools, lidl tools in your case maybe.