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Swedish Jews not invited to Kristallnacht commemoration due to security fears

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  • 11-11-2015 2:26am
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    (JNS.org) The Jewish community of Sweden was not invited to an annual anti-Nazi event commemorating Kristallnacht due to a perceived security risk, the Swedish newspaper Norrköpings Tidningar reported.

    The organizers of “Umeå against Nazism,” held in the city of Umeå last week, said that anti-Semitic and anti-Israel protests have occurred at past events and that it would be an unsafe environment for Jews.

    “In previous years, we have had a lot of Palestinian flags at these rallies, and even one banner where the Israeli flag was equated with a swastika,” said the organizers, according to a JNS.org translation.

    Organizer and local Workers’ Party member Jan Hägglund said, “The Jewish community wasn’t invited because we assumed they might be uncomfortable around that sort of thing."

    The event centers on Kristallnacht, or the Night of Broken Glass, the massive pogrom against Austrian and German Jews that many consider to have marked the beginning of the Holocaust in 1938.

    Some city officials did invite the Jewish community to rallies in protest of this exclusion, including a ceremony initiated by Umeå’s first deputy chairman of the municipal government. Agren said it the exclusion was typical for Umeå and that he felt ashamed.

    thedailybeast. com/articles/2015/11/09/swedish-anti-nazi-activists-fail-to-invite-jews-to-kristallnacht-rally.html

    I thought that this story was satire from a Jewish website when I first heard it, but no, it is legitimate.

    Is this a commemoration or a celebration of the antisemitic attitudes that lead to Kristallnacht?

    If Jews are not welcome but antisemites are, it sounds like the latter.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    mmmmm Swedish porn.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Basically Jews are yesterdays victim. Today it's all about Islamist extremists and their perfectly legitimate grievances against the imperialist Sweden and victims of the holocaust.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 46 LeTickler


    But theres nothing made from gold at the event.
    Let them in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/In-Sweden-a-Kristallnacht-commemoration-without-Jews-432498
    Representatives of the various political parties involved in arranging the multi-partisan event told conflicting narratives of what happened.

    While according to of the Vänsterpartiet (Left Party), a “lack of communication” was the “main reason for this tragic misunderstanding.”

    “We would never exclude anyone… this should be an event that is unifying and not a matter of division,” she said, adding that she was unaware of Nazi symbols appearing at previous rallies.

    While in the past the gathering was a “narrow affair for ‘leftists,’” this year seven political parties got together to expand it, said the Arbetarpartiet’s Davis Kaža.

    “As far as I know, the Jewish Community were never invited in previous years,” he asserted.

    “However, this year, they were invited. For me it is completely incomprehensible that a lot of people are attacking this rally, this year, when it has taken a huge step in the right direction.”

    It did look strange that the only websites running with this were The Daily Beast, Breitbart, Jihad Watch and such loony toons, with a few Jewish-focused websites reacting. Careful where you get your news from... :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭ihatemyfish


    Billy86 wrote: »



    It did look strange that the only websites running with this were The Daily Beast, Breitbart, Jihad Watch and such loony toons, with a few Jewish-focused websites reacting. Careful where you get your news from... :p

    Good catch. I do not speak Swedish and found the gist of the article on a lot more reputable websites than the aforementioned 'looney tunes.'

    Any Swedes on here that can give us the skinny?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,783 ✭✭✭KungPao


    Oy vey.

    I'm sure their wealth will help soften the blow.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭kidneyfan


    Good catch. I do not speak Swedish and found the gist of the article on a lot more reputable websites than the aforementioned 'looney tunes.'

    Any Swedes on here that can give us the skinny?
    You've posted false information in the hope of strirring up a racist storm in a teacup. It is the very definition of trolling.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    KungPao wrote: »
    Oy vey.

    I'm sure their wealth will help soften the blow.
    Really? Christ….

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭kidneyfan


    KungPao wrote: »
    Oy vey.

    I'm sure their wealth will help soften the blow.
    That deserves a thumbs down smilie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Really? Christ….

    Several studies have found Sweden to be one of the most atheist countries in the world.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    So the swedes ARE racist? I thought they were supposed to be perfect.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭kidneyfan


    So the swedes ARE racist? I thought they were supposed to be perfect.
    Just the women.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    KungPao wrote: »
    Oy vey.

    I'm sure their wealth will help soften the blow.

    Yeah, I'll have fried rice with that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    Basically just Ibrahimovic so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    The Swedish left hates both nazis and jews.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    KungPao wrote: »
    Oy vey.

    I'm sure their wealth will help soften the blow.

    Your internet is working in Kazakhstan these days ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Billy86 wrote: »
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/In-Sweden-a-Kristallnacht-commemoration-without-Jews-432498



    It did look strange that the only websites running with this were The Daily Beast, Breitbart, Jihad Watch and such loony toons, with a few Jewish-focused websites reacting. Careful where you get your news from... :p

    Here it is from a very large Swedish paper
    http://www.expressen.se/kultur/antirasisterna-verkar-lida-av-minnesforlust/
    use google translate

    and here from the local paper
    http://www.e-pages.dk/totaltumea/144/10 this site makes pdfs of local papers


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,590 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Really? Christ….
    Ah, don't be throwing Christ references at the Jews.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    biko wrote: »
    Here it is from a very large Swedish paper
    http://www.expressen.se/kultur/antirasisterna-verkar-lida-av-minnesforlust/
    use google translate

    and here from the local paper
    http://www.e-pages.dk/totaltumea/144/10 this site makes pdfs of local papers

    Thanks, it always annoys when posters criticise sources without doing a quick check for media that they agree with.
    Suppose it helps to get threads locked which is what its about though


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    It's a common argumentation technique. If I can discredit your sources it doesn't matter if the content is true or not.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭kidneyfan


    biko wrote: »
    It's a common argumentation technique. If I can discredit your sources it doesn't matter if the content is true or not.
    The organiser of the commemoration has said that it is not true. You are searching out false information for the purposes of trolling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    You're just not going supply any sources are you?

    Are you saying that local paper and expressen are lying?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Actually the all too common notion of Sweden being a "leftie paradise" doesn't exactly survive much delving into their 20th century history and is worth reading more on. It is a nation with a long history of quite popular fascism. Compulsory sterilisation was still in effect and on the statute books until the late noughties. Very eugenic altogether.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Sweden actually influenced the nazi party. Sweden had a society for race health in 1909 and then a "race biology" institute in 1922, way before the nazis.
    This place was active until late 1950s.

    Sterilisation of gypsies and mentally ill people happened until 1976.

    The current prime minister's granddad was a nazi lackey.

    The largest paper in Sweden, Aftonbladet, described Hitler's war as a "liberation war" at the time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭kidneyfan


    biko wrote: »
    You're just not going supply any sources are you?

    Are you saying that local paper and expressen are lying?
    It is in the fifth post. A quote from the organiser!


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Thanks, I missed that.

    It seems the oranisers have their wires crossed.
    One organiser, Jan, say they were not invited and another, Davis, say they were.
    The jews themselves say they were not.


    Tbh, I think it has snowballed beyond control.
    Jan didn't invite the jews because protesters had previously used the commemoration to get digs in at Israel.
    Anti-Israeli sentiments there are as strong as here, and in either country people have difficulties separating Jewishness from being Israeli.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    biko wrote: »
    The Swedish left hates both nazis and jews.

    Lovely bit of sweeping statement there. Particularily apt, given that the thread title was shown to be wrong a few posts back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Nodin wrote: »
    Lovely bit of sweeping statement there. Particularily apt, given that the thread title was shown to be wrong a few posts back.

    Has it been though, I mean if it was a Tory or other Right wing event and an organiser said something that was picked up negatively which was followed by a later statement contradicting the first you would be (rightly) saying its damage limitation and backpeddling.

    Also who never invites (as the retraction statement says) Jewish groups to a Kristalnacht rememberance?????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Has it been though, I mean if it was a Tory or other Right wing event and an organiser said something that was picked up negatively which was followed by a later statement contradicting the first you would be (rightly) saying its damage limitation and backpeddling.

    Also who never invites (as the retraction statement says) Jewish groups to a Kristalnacht rememberance?????

    There would be the notion amongst some that they might not want to know. I'd do the mad thing and ask them, but that's my outside the box thinkin in action.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Nodin wrote: »
    Lovely bit of sweeping statement there. Particularily apt, given that the thread title was shown to be wrong a few posts back.
    Meh, that biased source can't be trusted - isn't that what you usually say? :D


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