Slatted shed

lab20

Lads, I have being looking into a new slatted unit for sucklers. How much would 14"6 slat cost for two bay shed?

Any rough price on tank and slats also? All in - digging, shuttering, concrete, labour, backfilling, steel etc.

moll3

you wont have much change left from 7k to get to ground level

Miname

Prices are on the way up I'd be reckoning ten at least at the moment.

angusangus

Miname wrote: »

Prices are on the way up I'd be reckoning ten at least at the moment.

Two bay slatted shed roofed and fitted out would hold how many cattle? Sounds cheap to me tbh would taught add another 5k by the time is finished and stock ready

john mayo 10

angusangus wrote: »

Two bay slatted shed roofed and fitted out would hold how many cattle? Sounds cheap to me tbh would taught add another 5k by the time is finished and stock ready

Have a two bay shed here. Can hold 6 cows in each pen.

Miname

angusangus wrote: »

Two bay slatted shed roofed and fitted out would hold how many cattle? Sounds cheap to me tbh would taught add another 5k by the time is finished and stock ready

Sorry misread it thought it was for tank and slats into existing shed. A complete build will cost around 18-20 plus vat of course if your doing none of it yourself.

john mayo 10

Miname wrote: »

Sorry misread it thought it was for tank and slats into existing shed. A complete build will cost around 18-20 plus vat of course if your doing none of it yourself.

I think there is a 40% Grant still available for slatted sheds. Have a look into it.What age cattle do u intend to hold. Cows, weanlings, beef cattle?

lab20

No lads, I am only looking at price for tank and slats. That includes digging, concrete, labour, infilling. I am putting a shed over it but have the price on that. Just tank, slats etc.

lab20

john mayo 10 wrote: »

I think there is a 40% Grant still available for slatted sheds. Have a look into it.What age cattle do u intend to hold. Cows, weanlings, beef cattle?

I know there is grant going. It is spring calving suckler herd.

lab20

It's a three bay shed with only single 2 by slat. Lie back for calves only.

limo_100

lab20 wrote: »

It's a three bay shed with only single 2 by slat. Lie back for calves only.

how much is the shed costing you from the ground up? going to put one up here in the next few years

C0N0R

Four bay double tank half slabbed half slatted 14 foot slat 9ft deep about 27k incl digging

limo_100

I'm thinking of putting up a four of five bay shed for sucklers with a creep, calving pens and prob a crush be handy for AI, anyone an idea of price on a shed like that??

lab20

limo_100 wrote: »

how much is the shed costing you from the ground up? going to put one up here in the next few years

The shed from ground up is costing 21K including vat. Fully galvanising, Grant approved sheeting and vented at the back.

lab20

limo_100 wrote: »

I'm thinking of putting up a four of five bay shed for sucklers with a creep, calving pens and prob a crush be handy for AI, anyone an idea of price on a shed like that??

I would say, there would be not much left out of 50K for 5 span. Look at few sheds featured in farmers journal for past few years. Gives you good idea.

limo_100

lab20 wrote: »

The shed from ground up is costing 21K including vat. Fully galvanising, Grant approved sheeting and vented at the back.

how much is there in the difference of galvanized and not galvanized??

lab20

limo_100 wrote: »

how much is there in the difference of galvanized and not galvanized??

For 3 bay shed, your talking increase of 2100.

Miname

lab20 wrote: »

The shed from ground up is costing 21K including vat. Fully galvanising, Grant approved sheeting and vented at the back.

For a 2 bay shed that's crazy money.

angusangus

Miname wrote: »

For a 2 bay shed that's crazy money.

Whew I was thinking the same! Surely you would get 4 bay for that money

Miname

angusangus wrote: »

Whew I was thinking the same! Surely you would get 4 bay for that money

I done a 4 bay last year with creep and overhang all in bar lighting for 24.5k plus vat. This included a 20' feed apron of concrete and a wall to close in a handling unit at some stage.Done some of the work myself. I bought the shed for 7.5k plus vat and stood it myself it wasn't galvanised shot blasted and primed instead.

limo_100

Miname wrote: »

I done a 4 bay last year with creep and overhang all in bar lighting for 24.5k plus vat. This included a 20' feed apron of concrete and a wall to close in a handling unit at some stage.Done some of the work myself. I bought the shed for 7.5k plus vat and stood it myself it wasn't galvanised shot blasted and primed instead.

I would be very interested in seeing pictures of that shed and the blue prints drawings, have you a bull pen in it?

Good loser

lab20 wrote: »

For 3 bay shed, your talking increase of 2100.

That sounds way too high. Did 4 bay lean to 3 years ago and galvanising pillars etc cost less than €1,000.

lab20

Miname wrote: »

For a 2 bay shed that's crazy money.

It's a three bay shed. You have to consider everything is galvanized, Grant approved sheeting. I won't have to do anything. He brings in his crew and erects the shed. 47 by 40 and 15ft to eave. Two sliding doors at one end.

Miname

lab20 wrote: »

It's a three bay shed. You have to consider everything is galvanized, Grant approved sheeting. I won't have to do anything. He brings in his crew and erects the shed. 47 by 40 and 15ft to eave. Two sliding doors at one end.

Why in the name of God are you going 15' to the eaves, I know tractors are getting bigger but that's 3 foot higher than they need to be. The front pitch of your roof will be up on twenty foot. I'd ring round for a few more quotes and unless your earning over fifty an hour I'd try doing some of it myself.

lab20

Miname wrote: »

For a 2 bay shed that's crazy money.

It's for a 3 bay shed. The shed is fully galvanised and 9x5 used. We are very exposed down here. Includes ridge vent and vented sheeting.

IH784man

Miname wrote: »

Why in the name of God are you going 15' to the eaves, I know tractors are getting bigger but that's 3 foot higher than they need to be. The front pitch of your roof will be up on twenty foot. I'd ring round for a few more quotes and unless your earning over fifty an hour I'd try doing some of it myself.

You think it might be now but years ago my grandfather built a byre with a gap no bigger than the size of a 135,we set it up for sheep now and anytime we try to clear it out we can hardly get the front loader in it.

Tyson Lannister

IH784man wrote: »

You think it might be now but years ago my grandfather built a byre with a gap no bigger than the size of a 135,we set it up for sheep now and anytime we try to clear it out we can hardly get the front loader in it.

Grant specs are min 4m to eave if needs tractor access, 3m min otherwise.

MikeSoys

Hi guys,
I'm going to be getting a slatted shed on the farm but am wondering about what direction I should have the open end??? - should they always face north?(the open side to face away from rain/wind etc)...

i was thinking of having the feeding trough [open end] facing towards the existing yard (there is some shelter from existing buildings on the other side of the shed[circa 10-15 meters away] and there about the same height of the proposed shed),
but going by the wet winders we having more off... would the rainwater potentially fill up a 4 bay single tank[over the winter]? if it was exposed to the elements?
If i was to keep with it south facing - is there some sort of additional sheltering i could apply like http://odwyersteel.ie/wind-breakers/ which would keep the cattle comfortable (and keep the freshwater flow into the tank manageable?


any suggestions welcome

Joebobs

Hi news to this posting stuff....but im looking to build a 4 bay single slatted shed as part of tams 2 (i would get 40% grant).

My queation is what size of slat should i get? Ive being told to plan ahead and get 14' 6" slats. No issue with ground on the site but im just wondering why choose one slat size one another.

I cant find a website that outlines guidelines on slat size ....



I have store/ finishing cattle only.Thanks

Tyson Lannister

Joebobs wrote: »

Hi news to this posting stuff....but im looking to build a 4 bay single slatted shed as part of tams 2 (i would get 40% grant).

My queation is what size of slat should i get? Ive being told to plan ahead and get 14' 6" slats. No issue with ground on the site but im just wondering why choose one slat size one another.

I cant find a website that outlines guidelines on slat size ....



I have store/ finishing cattle only.Thanks

14'6'' would be the normal size for that shed. I find its usually dairy men opt for the 16'6'' slat, often with pre-cast cubicles partly on the slat. 12'6'' would not be much cheaper than 14'6''

maidhc

I put in 16”6 slats in mine this year. No real reason other than it seemed to make financial sense.

Tyson Lannister

MikeSoys wrote: »

Hi guys,
I'm going to be getting a slatted shed on the farm but am wondering about what direction I should have the open end??? - should they always face north?(the open side to face away from rain/wind etc)...

i was thinking of having the feeding trough [open end] facing towards the existing yard (there is some shelter from existing buildings on the other side of the shed[circa 10-15 meters away] and there about the same height of the proposed shed),
but going by the wet winders we having more off... would the rainwater potentially fill up a 4 bay single tank[over the winter]? if it was exposed to the elements?
If i was to keep with it south facing - is there some sort of additional sheltering i could apply like http://odwyersteel.ie/wind-breakers/ which would keep the cattle comfortable (and keep the freshwater flow into the tank manageable?


any suggestions welcome

Facing north is the favoured direction. Facing South-West would be the last option. It's not usually a concern to have the tank filling up - more that silage & cattle will be getting wet. These concerns are usually when the proposed shed is a monopitch - an A- type roof can often be designed to minimise this.

Timmaay

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

14'6'' would be the normal size for that shed. I find its usually dairy men opt for the 16'6'' slat, often with pre-cast cubicles partly on the slat. 12'6'' would not be much cheaper than 14'6''

For longer tanks in particular 16'6 wide slatted tank is cheaper per m3 than a 14'6, remember you need 6 inches min to sit the slat on the tank each side, your tank internal width (for capacity size) will be at least a foot narrower.

Tyson Lannister

Timmaay wrote: »

For longer tanks in particular 16'6 wide slatted tank is cheaper per m3 than a 14'6, remember you need 6 inches min to sit the slat on the tank each side, your tank internal width (for capacity size) will be at least a foot narrower.

The shed he mentioned is 4 bay though- just in my experience any sheds I'm drawing up for farmers 4 bays long for finishing cattle is usually a 14'6" slat.

annubis

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

The shed he mentioned is 4 bay though- just in my experience any sheds I'm drawing up for farmers 4 bays long for finishing cattle is usually a 14'6" slat.

do you spec 8ft or 9ft tanks?
did a shed a few years a ago and contractor told me it was a no brainer to go for 9ft as the pans were 9ft so thats what we did, glad of extra storage but find the slurry tank takes a while to fill from that depth whether im imagining it or not

Joebobs

maidhc wrote: »

I put in 16”6 slats in mine this year. No real reason other than it seemed to make financial sense.

Its larger slats = larger tank...more concrete and steel..so it a couple of grand more 5k or so ?
I would be thinking of 14'x6" but a local lad says why am im going for that 14' smaller would be enough...so im just wondering what folks think

FeelTheBern

Joebobs wrote: »

Its larger slats = larger tank...more concrete and steel..so it a couple of grand more 5k or so ?
I would be thinking of 14'x6" but a local lad says why am im going for that 14' smaller would be enough...so im just wondering what folks think

Would you be going for grant or not?

When I was doing tank recently was told that if not going for grant would get away with the same size steel for a 14.6 as would use in a smaller tank, but for a grant spec 14,6 would need the same spec of steel as would use for 16,6.

So no grant, better value in 14,6. If Grant then may as well go 16.6 as opposed 14.6 as same labour, only small bit more concrete and steel but bigger storage.

Timmaay

Joebobs wrote: »

Its larger slats = larger tank...more concrete and steel..so it a couple of grand more 5k or so ?
I would be thinking of 14'x6" but a local lad says why am im going for that 14' smaller would be enough...so im just wondering what folks think

In the 100ft long tank I just put in here, using a 16'6 slat against 14'6 resulted in an extra 5m3 of concrete, which is say 400e, and call it the same in extra steel. Very same tank labour charge, I'm not sure of the slats price difference, paid 7700e for the 100ft of 16'6 slats, can't see the 14'6 being more than a grand less. I'd happily have gone with a 20ft slat, but the price starts to rocket then.

In your case you need to work out how many m3 of slurry space you need, and work backwards then, if you can fit in a shorter 16'6 tank with the same volume of a 14'6 tank then it could possibly save you afew thousand.

dunlopwellies

Joebobs wrote: »

Hi news to this posting stuff....but im looking to build a 4 bay single slatted shed as part of tams 2 (i would get 40% grant).

My queation is what size of slat should i get? Ive being told to plan ahead and get 14' 6" slats. No issue with ground on the site but im just wondering why choose one slat size one another.

I cant find a website that outlines guidelines on slat size ....



I have store/ finishing cattle only.Thanks

Increased storage capacity with the weather the way it is it's a no brainer. +32 cubic meters storage. Also you might never fill it but nice to have the option.
The addition is a 2 foot strip in the middle of the tank as youve already got the same size tank walls.
As cost goes it's negligible in a 40k plus job.

Joebobs

Timmaay wrote: »

In the 100ft long tank I just put in here, using a 16'6 slat against 14'6 resulted in an extra 5m3 of concrete, which is say 400e, and call it the same in extra steel. Very same tank labour charge, I'm not sure of the slats price difference, paid 7700e for the 100ft of 16'6 slats, can't see the 14'6 being more than a grand less. I'd happily have gone with a 20ft slat, but the price starts to rocket then.

In your case you need to work out how many m3 of slurry space you need, and work backwards then, if you can fit in a shorter 16'6 tank with the same volume of a 14'6 tank then it could possibly save you afew thousand.

Hi thanks for the info...sorry dumb question but how would i work out how much slurry i will need 'm3 of slurry space you need...' is there a formula or something i could do rhe calcs?

adne

Can you get the grant on a tank only. I'm considering putting in a tank with grant and leaving it a few years before putting shed over it

Sillycave

Timmaay wrote: »

In the 100ft long tank I just put in here, using a 16'6 slat against 14'6 resulted in an extra 5m3 of concrete, which is say 400e, and call it the same in extra steel. Very same tank labour charge, I'm not sure of the slats price difference, paid 7700e for the 100ft of 16'6 slats, can't see the 14'6 being more than a grand less. I'd happily have gone with a 20ft slat, but the price starts to rocket then.

Do u mind me asking where u got the slats for that price? Got a quote earlier in the year for 100ft of 14'6 and it was a good bit more than that

valtra2

adne wrote: »

Can you get the grant on a tank only. I'm considering putting in a tank with grant and leaving it a few years before putting shed over it

Ya I got grant on tank and no shed over it but I got planning for both.

Timmaay

Sillycave wrote: »

Do u mind me asking where u got the slats for that price? Got a quote earlier in the year for 100ft of 14'6 and it was a good bit more than that

Caseys in wexford. I priced up 5 or 6 places, quotes ranged up to 14k

Timmaay

valtra2 wrote: »

Ya I got grant on tank and no shed over it but I got planning for both.

Did you apply for the grant on both and change afterwards? I've just after put in the tank here, the shed over it has proven a much bigger headache, as I'm trying to graft it into an existing shed. By now I'd be better off scrapping the grant spec shed and just get the grant on the tank, and do a non grant spec roof if needed in the future (or just leave the tank and feed area open)

Tyson Lannister

Timmaay wrote: »

Did you apply for the grant on both and change afterwards? I've just after put in the tank here, the shed over it has proven a much bigger headache, as I'm trying to graft it into an existing shed. By now I'd be better off scrapping the grant spec shed and just get the grant on the tank, and do a non grant spec roof if needed in the future (or just leave the tank and feed area open)

Why did grafting on cause you a problem?
I've drawn up numerous sheds for the grant where we graft on to existing and there has been no problem as long as
-The proposed shed is not portal frame
- the existing stanchions are the correct size to support the proposed structure
- the existing stanchions are in good condition
- There is adequate under eave ventilation.
Ran into trouble in the last point in one job but managed to get around it, but took a bit of work.

valtra2

Timmaay wrote: »

Did you apply for the grant on both and change afterwards? I've just after put in the tank here, the shed over it has proven a much bigger headache, as I'm trying to graft it into an existing shed. By now I'd be better off scrapping the grant spec shed and just get the grant on the tank, and do a non grant spec roof if needed in the future (or just leave the tank and feed area open)

No just grant for tank. Tank is in front of existing shed so left open but I did put up all pillars. It was so complicated for tank that I said it was easier and will probably be cheaper to put up shed later and also finances are tight.

Bass Reeves

Joebobs wrote: »

Its larger slats = larger tank...more concrete and steel..so it a couple of grand more 5k or so ?
I would be thinking of 14'x6" but a local lad says why am im going for that 14' smaller would be enough...so im just wondering what folks think

Going from 14'6'' to 16''6'' slat will only add about 3 cubic metres extra to the concrete required. A 9' instead of an 8' tan will require an extra 3 metres of concrete. I am not up on the price of steel but in general to go from 12'6'' tan to 14'6'' or 16'6'' tank will only require about 20% extra steel. Most is extra lenght on steel running under floor of tank so in reality will only cost 15% extra so sub 1K in cost.

To go from a 12'6'' slat 8' deep tank to 16'6'' slat 9'deep will add 12 metres to the concrete so sub 1K. Labour will remain the same as when contractor is on site extra work like that costs nothing. Less than 2K extra on the tank. It will add very little to a shed costs either as RSJ' will be the same except for a for extra feed on roof rsj's and sheeting

valtra2

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Going from 14'6'' to 16''6'' slat will only add about 3 cubic metres extra to the concrete required. A 9' instead of an 8' tan will require an extra 3 metres of concrete. I am not up on the price of steel but in general to go from 12'6'' tan to 14'6'' or 16'6'' tank will only require about 20% extra steel. Most is extra lenght on steel running under floor of tank so in reality will only cost 15% extra so sub 1K in cost.

To go from a 12'6'' slat 8' deep tank to 16'6'' slat 9'deep will add 12 metres to the concrete so sub 1K. Less than 2K extra on the tank. It will add very little to a shed costs either as RSJ' will be the same except for a for extra feed on roof rsj's and sheeting

Labour will remain the same as when contractor is on site extra work like that costs nothing.REALLY. so if I call into your yard and buy cattle off you and tell you to trow in another one for nothing because I an there would you. What about the extra foot to dig out in depth or the 2 foot wider. What about the extra work poring the concrete or tieing the steel.

Timmaay

valtra2 wrote: »

Labour will remain the same as when contractor is on site extra work like that costs nothing.REALLY. so if I call into your yard and buy cattle off you and tell you to trow in another one for nothing because I an there would you. What about the extra foot to dig out in depth or the 2 foot wider. What about the extra work poring the concrete or tieing the steel.

It's down to comparing the overall final price per unit m3 of slurry, in my case the sums were an utter no brainer to go 9ft deep and 16'6 wide and 80ft , instead of the equivalent tank that would of been 14'6, 8ft deep and 100 ft long. However instead I went all out and make it 16'6, 9' and 100' to help future proof, the original 80 ft tank would work out about 85e/m3, the extra 20ft about 55e/m3 (as most the overheads are covered with the original 80ft). If I had stayed 80 ft long but went with an 18'6 slat the sums for then extra m3 would of looked even better (tank is closer to being a cube, less concrete per unit slurry), but that slat size wasn't really an option when I went looking, not a tractor slat anyways.

Dunedin

valtra2 wrote: »

Ya I got grant on tank and no shed over it but I got planning for both.

I assume that you would still need planning for just the tank and slats if going for the grant?