Bad form

TallGlass

Is it just me or anyone else think it's extremely bad form for a company to interview you and not have the decency to get back to you with a no or some type of answer, before re-listing the job.

Had this happen this morning, interviewed last week, heard nothing and seen job listed again online today.

Wouldn't mind but the interview was a joke, never looked at my CV, dont even know why I was asked out to be honest. Totally wasted my time.

TallGlass

Weird thing, same thing happened again to me, interviewed last week. Again some sort of information on the job etc.. Then was asked if I had any questions? Should have asked the interviewer why they didn't ask me anything about my CV! Mind you I was left there for a fairly long time before the interview and interview was brief, as in they said 'I don't want to keep you any longer', still haven't heard anything back.

Is this common? I haven't come across this before. My guessing is I haven't got the job and am find with that, but it seems really unprofessional of a company to do this, its not even discreet, next time its done to me, the interviewer is going to get a roasting off me and I am going to absoletly waste there time.

But the question is, if your not the person for the job and made the effort to come out to them, why not reply the next day saying unsuccessful than just not bothering at all !

gandalf

What type of job was it? Senior or Junior? Was this the first interview? Maybe they are mandated to have a second interview and didn't meet enough candidates of the right caliber to put through to the second stage.

When you were at the interview did you ask them for the timescale on making a decision or what was the next step in the process?

Your best bet at this stage is to send a polite follow up to ask if they have come to any decisions and to ask what the next step is?

seamus

A lot depends on the company. Some companies will put the advertisement out there, gather CVs, then line up and do the interviews at once and make a decision. Other companies will put the advertisement up and then set up an interview for applicants as the CVs come in, and won't stop lining them up until the position is filled.

Most job sites let the company bump a listing up to the top. So if you interview for a company on Friday and see the job bumped again on a Monday, that doesn't mean you haven't got it. The manager may not have made a decision yet, but the HR intern's job is to go through the list of open reqs and bump them up the list every Monday morning, regardless.

Always try to remember at the end of an interview to ask what the next steps in the process are, if they haven't told you already. If they give you a timescale, hold them to it, with a day's grace. So, "We'll make a decision by Friday evening" == send a follow-up email after COB on Monday.

Manach

This type of lack of response seems to be getting more common. Over the past year had happened twice post interview stage, with several emails before getting a late reply from the employer. At least it gives a measure of their internal processes, or lack thereof.

Psychosis

Try not to take it personally, recruitment departments are often a bit of a shambles!

More likely they forgot or they will wait until the position is 100% filled before notifying anyone, you might be still in the running tbh.

I went for an interview once and didn't hear anything back for 5 weeks, even though the manager wanted to hire me right after the interview, it took that long for the wheels to turn and get an offer offer letter signed by all parties!!!

TallGlass

The first post, I never got the job I followed up with it and managed to get a reply. I knew the answer that I didn't get it, due to the way the interview was conducted. Never asked me anything about my CV, or what I would do in certain situation etc.. Typically the way I always get interviewed this one was more like someone reading a prep sheet of what I knew already! Followed by the 'got any questions'.

The one recenlty was a junior manager role, low pay and an entry rol, again the advert was slightly different in that I never got the impression it was entry level. Was fairly interested, yet again I was interviewed or more so told about the role, I asked a few questions, then asked did I have any and then basically hooshed out the door. I managed on the way out to ask about follow up and it was said it be end of the week. It's now Monday and still nothing? That one interview start fairly off the scheduled time.

Just don't get it, I dress reasonably well and have a clean shave etc.. But I get the feeling they are just looking at me and saying he is not the guy for the job.

I'm more fed up with my time been wasted, and more interested by the lack of follow up. It's quite unprofessional in my eyes. I send CVs out to jobs that are above my weight on paper but I would have no problem doing. Would it be a case of 'oh this guy is a joker and a time waster, let's get him in for interview and waste his time'.

On the first interview, the women was so perplexed by where I lived and the time it took me to get over, she asked me three or four times! Weird thing is the journey only took 15 mins by car.

These are all IT roles BTW, I think company's are getting more and more weirder in what they want and who they expect. Half thinking of just starting up my own company, just sick of been stuck at the bottom, low pay jack of all trades, the job I am in, I swear no joke I fully expect one day to go in an be expected to clean up he toliets along with my IT role. Sort of putting my own money where my mouth is. Just don't know how or what to start up.

IT is an awful industry to work in from my experiences so far.

Stheno

TallGlass wrote: »

The first post, I never got the job I followed up with it and managed to get a reply. I knew the answer that I didn't get it, due to the way the interview was conducted. Never asked me anything about my CV, or what I would do in certain situation etc.. Typically the way I always get interviewed this one was more like someone reading a prep sheet of what I knew already! Followed by the 'got any questions'.

The one recenlty was a junior manager role, low pay and an entry rol, again the advert was slightly different in that I never got the impression it was entry level. Was fairly interested, yet again I was interviewed or more so told about the role, I asked a few questions, then asked did I have any and then basically hooshed out the door. I managed on the way out to ask about follow up and it was said it be end of the week. It's now Monday and still nothing? That one interview start fairly off the scheduled time.

Just don't get it, I dress reasonably well and have a clean shave etc.. But I get the feeling they are just looking at me and saying he is not the guy for the job.

I'm more fed up with my time been wasted, and more interested by the lack of follow up. It's quite unprofessional in my eyes. I send CVs out to jobs that are above my weight on paper but I would have no problem doing. Would it be a case of 'oh this guy is a joker and a time waster, let's get him in for interview and waste his time'.

On the first interview, the women was so perplexed by where I lived and the time it took me to get over, she asked me three or four times! Weird thing is the journey only took 15 mins by car.

These are all IT roles BTW, I think company's are getting more and more weirder in what they want and who they expect. Half thinking of just starting up my own company, just sick of been stuck at the bottom, low pay jack of all trades, the job I am in, I swear no joke I fully expect one day to go in an be expected to clean up he toliets along with my IT role. Sort of putting my own money where my mouth is. Just don't know how or what to start up.

IT is an awful industry to work in from my experiences so far.

Are you working in a call centre?

TallGlass

Stheno wrote: »

Are you working in a call centre?

No, but the conditions are not far off. It's a level 1 support role for a company. Basically we do everything, theres no planning or asking us if we can do it, it is just do it and fùck what you think. And if your not happy theres the door, only problem is I am heading out the door but I don't want to close the door without something new and so been interviewing looking for work but ran into this problem as above.

They have recently decided that we use Google translate for our tickets in Spanish, theres a Germany guy with us on 35k a year because he speaks German, now there routing me the same tickets and I don't speak German and am on 24k, I hate the place and want out ASAP, the workload is unmanagable and anything the other teams don't want to do we get them as these lovely little things called 'projects' it makes me sick and want to kill someone each time in a meeting and there mentioned. Now don't get me wrong, I don't mind extra work but the way there guys are going on/operating is taking the piss.

Stheno

TallGlass wrote: »

No, but the conditions are not far off. It's a level 1 support role for a company. Basically we do everything, theres no planning or asking us if we can do it, it is just do it and fùck what you think. And if your not happy theres the door, only problem is I am heading out the door but I don't want to close the door without something new and so been interviewing looking for work but ran into this problem as above.

They have recently decided that we use Google translate for our tickets in Spanish, theres a Germany guy with us on 35k a year because he speaks German, now there routing me the same tickets and I don't speak German and am on 24k, I hate the place and want out ASAP, the workload is unmanagable and anything the other teams don't want to do we get them as these lovely little things called 'projects' it makes me sick and want to kill someone each time in a meeting and there mentioned. Now don't get me wrong, I don't mind extra work but the way there guys are going on/operating is taking the piss.

Your posts are very negative, you should be careful that that is not coming across in any way in interviews.

TallGlass

Stheno wrote: »

Your posts are very negative, you should be careful that that is not coming across in any way in interviews.

Yes I understand, I don't come across negative in interviews or show a bad light on any company I work/ed for.

The above posts are just venting in frustration at not getting replies, after attending and again after been told you'd be contacted.

Kinda like waiting on the person coming to install something and then never arrives and never follows up. It's just quite rude ! Just posted here to see if it was just me or is this quite common ?

Stheno

TallGlass wrote: »

Just posted here to see if it was just me or is this quite common ?

I'd say it's probably 50/50 especially for more junior roles where they might interview a fair few candidates

frag420

Op I was well peeved from several occasions where I interviewed, they did not prep nor look ar my cv plus other various unprofessional things during and after interview!

So I sent an email to the interviewer, head of HR and any other senior people I could find emails for and outlined their lack of professionalism, how they wasted my time, how on one accession the interviewer took a personal call during interview, another went out to fetch a coffee( could smell the Irish coming from it). Now I set up a generic email account to do this and I was not expecting anything from it only smug satisfaction from pointing out their flaws which I also explained to them in the email.

In the end I got one reply asking for personal details so they could investigate. I politely refused stating I have since got an offer which I have accepted and outlined the professionalism of this company and the superior package they were offering for s very similar role!!

Look at it this way, you are one more NO away from getting that YES!

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Stheno wrote: »

Your posts are very negative, you should be careful that that is not coming across in any way in interviews.

And dear God please get your 'there', 'their' and 'they're' usages correct!

TallGlass

Techmaster wrote: »

And dear God please get your 'there', 'their' and 'they're' usages correct!

What? It's an interview not a spelling/grammar competition !

drunkmonkey

Have you asked for any of the Jobs in these interviews?
In the questions, are you happy with my experience, is there something I may have ommited in the interview that may have you doubting I'm the right person for this role?

He who dares Rodney.

TallGlass

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Have you asked for any of the Jobs in these interviews?
In the questions, are you happy with my experience, is there something I may have ommited in the interview that may have you doubting I'm the right person for this role?

He who dares Rodney.

Yes, I have asked the question regards the experience and all have said it looks like a match for what we need.

Might start coming out with a few Old Fools quotes next time I know it is going down like a sinking ship !

Curb Your Enthusiasm

TallGlass wrote: »

What? It's an interview not a spelling/grammar competition !

Did your cv have any spelling or grammatical errors?

TallGlass

Techmaster wrote: »

Did your cv have any spelling or grammatical errors?

No, I went over it with the online checker for grammar and spelling mistakes, besides would that not put people off calling me for interview? The problem is getting interviewed and then not hearing anything back! But I understand your point.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

TallGlass wrote: »

No, I went over it with the online checker for grammar and spelling mistakes, besides would that not put people off calling me for interview? The problem is getting interviewed and then not hearing anything back! But I understand your point.

No worries, was just curious. Its very annoying to not get a reply back, happened to me once or twice.

TallGlass

Techmaster wrote: »

No worries, was just curious. Its very annoying to not get a reply back, happened to me once or twice.

Yes, again very annoying. But another odd thing was them not asking any questions regarding your work experience or what you would bring the role. Is this a normal thing? To just speak about the job and then ask the person do you have any questions for me?

Stheno

TallGlass wrote: »

Yes, again very annoying. But another odd thing was them not asking any questions regarding your work experience or what you would bring the role. Is this a normal thing? To just speak about the job and then ask the person do you have any questions for me?

Was it a ht person doing the interview?

Jawgap

TallGlass wrote: »

No, I went over it with the online checker for grammar and spelling mistakes, besides would that not put people off calling me for interview? The problem is getting interviewed and then not hearing anything back! But I understand your point.

My own view as someone who has been heavily involved in recruitment and selection for an expanding firm in the last 12 to 14 months, is 'yes.'

If the job requires you to be detail oriented or precise then stuff like that will at best irritate and at worst get your cv a one way trip to the reject pile.

Use the spellchecker but get some fresh eyes to read over it - preferably someone who you know is a bit of a grammar Nazi.

As for your original question, yes it was poor form of the company not to let you know the outcome.

TallGlass

Stheno wrote: »

Was it a ht person doing the interview?

Both times it was someone higher than HR both at director level.

drunkmonkey

Ok so, it's not you not asking the questions, and your sure it's not your grammar. I'm pretty sure it's not either as you wouldn't of made it out of the lucky pile.

What none of us can tell is your look and attitude, is there something their needs refining, you say it's a managerial role, are you dressed like one, do you come across as someone in charge of the interview.
Hard to tell but it sounds like your coming over a little boring/non interested in the interviews, don't launch at me just trying to read between the lines, have you them excited about you and what your spark can bring to the job. Are they getting the feeling your not to passionate just want to change jobs feeling from you.
Have you made them laugh? You said one of them kept asking about how far away you were, you didn't arrive over in biker gear or anything?

Stheno

TallGlass wrote: »

Both times it was someone higher than HR both at director level.

A director level intervewing for entry level roles?
Seriously?

TallGlass

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Ok so, it's not you not asking the questions, and your sure it's not your grammar. I'm pretty sure it's not either as you wouldn't of made it out of the lucky pile.

What none of us can tell is your look and attitude, is there something their needs refining, you say it's a managerial role, are you dressed like one, do you come across as someone in charge of the interview.
Hard to tell but it sounds like your coming over a little boring/non interested in the interviews, don't launch at me just trying to read between the lines, have you them excited about you and what your spark can bring to the job. Are they getting the feeling your not to passionate just want to change jobs feeling from you.
Have you made them laugh? You said one of them kept asking about how far away you were, you didn't arrive over in biker gear or anything?

No biker gear lol . I would like to think I have a good attitude in the interviews, maybe I was just unlucky. I don't like to cut across people while they talk, but I would be interested in the role they are offering. I would like to give them that spark but I don't want to start talking about myself if questions are not been asked towards me. But I take on board what you mean regard giving off a good vibe ! For the role, I had a shirt, slacks, tie, jacket on, clean shaven and geled hair. I do have a bit of a cold at the moment so might have been a bit wooley headed at the time.

TallGlass

Stheno wrote: »

A director level intervewing for entry level roles?
Seriously?

Em? I am not lying or joking, both titled at director level. But didn't concern me really just a little different. I'll just have to consider everything for the roles in future. Is that unusual?

Buona Fortuna

TallGlass wrote: »

Weird thing, same thing happened again to me, interviewed last week. Again some sort of information on the job etc.. Then was asked if I had any questions? Should have asked the interviewer why they didn't ask me anything about my CV! Mind you I was left there for a fairly long time before the interview and interview was brief, as in they said 'I don't want to keep you any longer', still haven't heard anything back.

Is this common? I haven't come across this before. My guessing is I haven't got the job and am find with that, but it seems really unprofessional of a company to do this, its not even discreet, next time its done to me, the interviewer is going to get a roasting off me and I am going to absoletly waste there time.

But the question is, if your not the person for the job and made the effort to come out to them, why not reply the next day saying unsuccessful than just not bothering at all !

Had a similar experience a while back. Your wan interviewing admitted she hadn't read the cv. Interview was pleasantly pointless - never heard from again.

Had a similar thing with a well known supermarket chain so I went in their facebook page and pointed out that they were the total pits and that I wouldn't ever shop there again. Three days later got a phonecall apolagising followed by a rejection letter that was dated a lot earlier than the postmark.

What n very few seem to realise is that potential employees are also potential customers - or not!

Stheno

TallGlass wrote: »

Em? I am not lying or joking, both titled at director level. But didn't concern me really just a little different. I'll just have to consider everything for the roles in future. Is that unusual?

Yes, unless it was a tiny company and it was a head of IT calling themselves the director.

TallGlass wrote: »

No biker gear lol . I would like to think I have a good attitude in the interviews, maybe I was just unlucky. I don't like to cut across people while they talk, but I would be interested in the role they are offering. I would like to give them that spark but I don't want to start talking about myself if questions are not been asked towards me. But I take on board what you mean regard giving off a good vibe ! For the role, I had a shirt, slacks, tie, jacket on, clean shaven and geled hair. I do have a bit of a cold at the moment so might have been a bit wooley headed at the time.

Do you not have a suit?

Also not talking about yourself means you are not "placing yourself in the role" and demonstrating what you can bring to the role, and could indicate a lack of interest.

Are you going for roles you are actually suited for? If you are currently doing first line support, then was going for an entry level IT manager role a good fit for your skills?

TallGlass

Stheno wrote: »

Yes, unless it was a tiny company and it was a head of IT calling themselves the director.



Do you not have a suit?

Also not talking about yourself means you are not "placing yourself in the role" and demonstrating what you can bring to the role, and could indicate a lack of interest.

Are you going for roles you are actually suited for? If you are currently doing first line support, then was going for an entry level IT manager role a good fit for your skills?

No suit, is a suit not a bit over kill for these roles.

Em I would be entry level IT, but got training in management in another area and was a team lead for many years in that area.

Good advise on this thread for me to take on board going for future interviews.

Stheno

TallGlass wrote: »

No suit, is a suit not a bit over kill for these roles.

Em I would be entry level IT, but got training in management in another area and was a team lead for many years in that area.

Good advise on this thread for me to take on board going for future interviews.

No, a suit is not overkill, it gives a good impression for the most part unless you are interviewing in the likes of google.

I'm not sure you can transfer management skills from another area, if you are still at an entry level in terms of technical skills in IT, 90% of managing staff in an IT environment is having some level of understanding of what they do on a daily basis, and being able to manage that, as a level one resource at the moment, that's not something you'd have.

If I were you, I'd reevaluate the roles you are aiming for.

Also, I'd be considering if a career in IT is for you. Your post where you give out about your current role describes an awful lot of IT organisations, it's a fairly chaotic environment to work in.

clemop

TallGlass wrote: »

No suit, is a suit not a bit over kill for these roles.

Em I would be entry level IT, but got training in management in another area and was a team lead for many years in that area.

Good advise on this thread for me to take on board going for future interviews.

Buy a suit. I've been an IT manager for many years and I'd expect someone to turn up in a suit for an interview. You've generally no idea what the dress code is for the company you're interviewing with and even if it's casual during work that only matters once you get the job.

Also if you're applying for management jobs you might be trying to make a leap to far without IT management experience. Team leader experience and management training in another area might be useful but not directly applicable. Maybe look to see if there are team leader positions you could apply for and then look to get promoted internally if you decide you and the company are a fit.

Best of luck in your search

TallGlass

Stheno wrote: »

No, a suit is not overkill, it gives a good impression for the most part unless you are interviewing in the likes of google.

I'm not sure you can transfer management skills from another area, if you are still at an entry level in terms of technical skills in IT, 90% of managing staff in an IT environment is having some level of understanding of what they do on a daily basis, and being able to manage that, as a level one resource at the moment, that's not something you'd have.

If I were you, I'd reevaluate the roles you are aiming for.

Also, I'd be considering if a career in IT is for you. Your post where you give out about your current role describes an awful lot of IT organisations, it's a fairly chaotic environment to work in.

I would have imagined that be the case. The team leaders and manager in my current role ask us to send emails/call people for them and never assist in tickets. I mean literally they would send me an email to tell me to send an email to someone and this wouldn't be for anything serious, if it was like a group email out or something but it might be an individual. I would be able for a managerial role at an entry level I know my limits and it would interest me. Yes , I have thought if IT is for me, but I also here alot of people not complain about the role, so would like to try another company before pulling out completely. I don't mind the stress or been busy. The problem is been in the middle of something and been bothered by a team lead looking to send out a mail or asking me questions about a process or how something works, that's just one example and I could be one maybe two computers, while taking a phone call to help someone out. Then been told, that we should be doing more! Maybe IT isn't for me, but I am good with tech be a shame to waste it, I am seriously considering going it alone doing something with a company, won't be easy but at leased I can but my time into my own company.

Stheno

TallGlass wrote: »

I would have imagined that be the case. The team leaders and manager in my current role ask us to send emails/call people for them and never assist in tickets. I mean literally they would send me an email to tell me to send an email to someone and this wouldn't be for anything serious, if it was like a group email out or something but it might be an individual. I would be able for a managerial role at an entry level I know my limits and it would interest me. Yes , I have thought if IT is for me, but I also here alot of people not complain about the role, so would like to try another company before pulling out completely. I don't mind the stress or been busy. The problem is been in the middle of something and been bothered by a team lead looking to send out a mail or asking me questions about a process or how something works, that's just one example and I could be one maybe two computers, while taking a phone call to help someone out. Then been told, that we should be doing more! Maybe IT isn't for me, but I am good with tech be a shame to waste it, I am seriously considering going it alone doing something with a company, won't be easy but at leased I can but my time into my own company.

Just following up on what another poster said earlier, and I apologise if I come across as being critical, but if you read that post back, it's actually difficult to read because of your grammar and spelling.

You've multiple spelling errors in that post alone and your grammar is not great (not that mine is fantastic mind). If you verbalise yourself in the same manner, you are letting yourself down so you may want to consider how you come across in that regard.

And one thing I can tell you as someone who works in IT but not as a tech, you can be the greatest tech in the world, but if your people skills are lacking, you can forget it.


As for the bit in bold that I've highlighted, that's life in IT tbh, I'm nearly twenty years in, in IT and that sort of scenario comes up every day. As you get more senior in IT, you'll find yourself juggling multiple items all of the time, many of them of more consequence than fixing a pc, or helping a user.

drunkmonkey

TallGlass wrote: »

No biker gear lol . I would like to think I have a good attitude in the interviews, maybe I was just unlucky. I don't like to cut across people while they talk, but I would be interested in the role they are offering. I would like to give them that spark but I don't want to start talking about myself if questions are not been asked towards me. But I take on board what you mean regard giving off a good vibe ! For the role, I had a shirt, slacks, tie, jacket on, clean shaven and geled hair. I do have a bit of a cold at the moment so might have been a bit wooley headed at the time.

Others have said it, get a suit, a good one, blow a weeks wages on it, get it fitted. Get some good shoes to go with it, Good hair cut leave out the gel unless your on of those hipsters types that need it.
Your right don't cut over anyone but try and listen to what there saying and respond to their points when appropriate. Cold wouldn't help you need to look and feel healthy, nobody wants to be beside someone sniffling, do you smoke, do you stink of smokes, that could be a no no.
When there not asking you direct questions I can understand that you don't want to really start chatting about yourself. Change tac here, start talking about their company, some fields their working in, why you'd prefer to work for them than the competition, read up as much as you can about the business especially any pr releases etc talk about that. Ask about how the team operates, the management structure and your opportunities for training and promotion within the company, where do they see your role in the business in 3years. All big questions but it would mean your not just trying to float in the door, if there's skill you may be lacking ask would there be opportunities to upskil within the company

One thing though, it's hard to get passionate about something you don't really give a fiddlers about or a business you've no interest in.
Pick the sectors your interested in, are you a gamer, hunt down all the game companies and keep an eye on their job listing or ring HR/Reception and find out what agencies they use. Are you into cars, who deals with the IT for most of those businesses etc, you get the idea. I think you'll have more success if it's a sector your interested in and be a lot happier in your job.

TallGlass

Stheno wrote: »

Just following up on what another poster said earlier, and I apologise if I come across as being critical, but if you read that post back, it's actually difficult to read because of your grammar and spelling.

You've multiple spelling errors in that post alone and your grammar is not great (not that mine is fantastic mind). If you verbalise yourself in the same manner, you are letting yourself down so you may want to consider how you come across in that regard.

And one thing I can tell you as someone who works in IT but not as a tech, you can be the greatest tech in the world, but if your people skills are lacking, you can forget it.


As for the bit in bold that I've highlighted, that's life in IT tbh, I'm nearly twenty years in, in IT and that sort of scenario comes up every day. As you get more senior in IT, you'll find yourself juggling multiple items all of the time, many of them of more consequence than fixing a pc, or helping a user.

My spelling and grammar is not the best, when I post on mobile it makes it worse that's why it comes across really bad and I do not proof read as much as I should on boards.

Some good advise on here that I will take on board for future interviews, I will look into getting a fitted suit and try some of the suggestions here for when there is a lack of questions.

TallGlass

So after an email to the interviewer on Monday still haven't heard anything !

What ever about bad grammar, spelling, performance, style or anything. It's seriously bad, I think along with down right rude and unacceptable that someone should ignore a person that is just asking for basic information on how they done, good or bad in there interview.

Some market we work in, I cannot wait till the market becomes again an employees market and not an employers market. Disgraceful carry on out of some companies.

I'll look again come Jan and maybe pick up a suit also.

Senna

I could have wrote most of the posts in this thread myself.

I got an informal notice that I had got a position, unfortunately the project was cancelled before the process was over, that was October and the role is still advertised on the companies website.
I have a friend there, so I know it's definitely not going ahead.

More recently I done 2 interviews which seemed to go very well, heard for another employee that it's looking good, but have heard nothing back after 3 weeks, emails to HR are a waste of time, even emailing to find out who's on the interview panel go unanswered.
I really think companies don't want to say anything, even "thanks but NO" until the last possible second.

Lastly, I'm in a very similar position to above, I've 15 years of management experience and have started to reskill in IT. I went for a non-tech role as I haven't finished my degree yet and after the interview, they started asking me why I hadn't applied for a team lead, proj manager position, I was very surprised. I said I would feel the need to have some tech experience before i could take on a lead role in this enviorment, basically they said that's rubbish, you know how to lead, you don't need to do the teams job!! and this was a very large multi national.
So to the person applying for mgt positions with entry level IT experience and good mgt experience, I'd say keep at it.

TallGlass

So after chasing up with the last one. After nearly two weeks I got an answer! It's what I knew already, and it was a no.

Basically usual bollix someone with more experience. What I think is, she seen me and didn't like the look of me ! Been told a few times I look sketchy (not in interviews), but the thing is I am actully not sketchy at all and am a serving Garda Reserve. Or she could have just been out to waste my time, left sitting around for 30/40 mins, phantom job I was never going to get.

Also how can she say I have no experience if she never asked me a damn thing about my experiences in the interview. And why she couldn't tell it from my CV if I could do it or not? Mind boggling stuff.

If I get into another interview and they don't ask questions. I am going to start taking the piss out of them.

And why for the love of god dose it take over 2 weeks to give an answer of no! Maybe it's a blessing I did not get it.

Strongly looking at starting my own business. It can not be that hard to get something small up and running. Just the thing is I don't know what, the how I can figure out while doing it.

Stheno

TallGlass wrote: »

So after chasing up with the last one. After nearly two weeks I got an answer! It's what I knew already, and it was a no.

Basically usual bollix someone with more experience. What I think is, she seen me and didn't like the look of me ! Been told a few times I look sketchy (not in interviews)

If by sketchy, you mean you don't present yourself as well in the flesh as you could, then you've had advise on that already, buy a suit, get rid of the hair gel etc.

If I get into another interview and they don't ask questions. I am going to start taking the piss out of them.

And why for the love of god dose it take over 2 weeks to give an answer of no! Maybe it's a blessing I did not get it.

Why bother taking the piss in interviews? Obviously something is currently wrong with how your interviews are going, why make it worse?

It can take two weeks if multiple people are being interviewed over a week etc

Strongly looking at starting my own business. It can not be that hard to get something small up and running. Just the thing is I don't know what, the how I can figure out while doing it.

Why do you think you'd be any better at running a small business than as an employee?

TallGlass

Stheno wrote: »

If by sketchy, you mean you don't present yourself as well in the flesh as you could, then you've had advise on that already, buy a suit, get rid of the hair gel etc.

I do present myself well, but going to get a suit and a decent pair of shoes in Jan. What color would be the best to buy for interviews would you think? The hair gel suits my hair style more, but will make sure its a fresh cut each time and looks well.

Why bother taking the piss in interviews? Obviously something is currently wrong with how your interviews are going, why make it worse?

I will take the piss if they are taking the piss by bringing me out to 'interview' me and yet not ask me a single question! The thing is I wouldn't call these experiences so far interviews, most are okay they ask questions and get back to you when they say. It's the small % that think it's okay to mess someone around, for whatever reason.

It can take two weeks if multiple people are being interviewed over a week etc

Understandable, but I was told both times I would be contacted by the end of the week, both times I had to follow up with the person. Again I think that's unacceptable. Besides if you know after an interview as an the person conducting the interview that the person is not the guy for the job, then let them know them next day and how they can improve. A little bit of courtesy goes both ways. I made an effort to show up on time to these interviews and I feel I was totally messed around by two companies, my time could have easily been spent doing something else.

Why do you think you'd be any better at running a small business than as an employee?

Why not ? I'd prefer to have more control over my work, work hard for myself and start a strong business over time. I wouldn't be in it to become a millionaire but just to get a decent wage and maybe make enough that I could employee someone to run it for me while I make decisions at a higher level. I also don't think its about thinking I am better than running it than as an employee but more so that I am willing to take on the risk of running one.

I do realise I come across in this thread as quite aggressive but I am not like this daily, usually a passive and happy person, just fairly annoyed with how people think they can just treat people like this, it's disgusting. I want to move up in my roles, but it frustrating the life out of me.

All I would like is for someone to tell me in an interview, look this is a 'no' and here is why. If you can get that in order try again etc.. I went to CPL before and the guy told me my CV was basically very poor, he explained how to make it look better. I went home that day, fixed it up and he was very impressed. I then sent that CV out and after hearing nothing back previous, I started to get replies.

I can't see how its such a big deal for people to point something out to someone that might help them in the future, rather than this 'unsuccessful' lark. It remind me of the bouncers 'sorry not tonight lads' when I was 18. Or there was someone more better suited to the role, like isn't that fairly obvious since I didn't get the job ! Care to tell me why they are more suited? How could I be more suited for the next job.

Stheno

TallGlass wrote: »

I do present myself well, but going to get a suit and a decent pair of shoes in Jan. What color would be the best to buy for interviews would you think? The hair gel suits my hair style more, but will make sure its a fresh cut each time and looks well.

Gray suit/black shoes?

I will take the piss if they are taking the piss by bringing me out to 'interview' me and yet not ask me a single question! The thing is I wouldn't call these experiences so far interviews, most are okay they ask questions and get back to you when they say. It's the small % that think it's okay to mess someone around, for whatever reason.

I'd seriously wonder if you are giving off some impression that is leading to the interviews being as they are. How long do they last on average?

Understandable, but I was told both times I would be contacted by the end of the week, both times I had to follow up with the person. Again I think that's unacceptable. Besides if you know after an interview as an the person conducting the interview that the person is not the guy for the job, then let them know them next day and how they can improve. A little bit of courtesy goes both ways. I made an effort to show up on time to these interviews and I feel I was totally messed around by two companies, my time could have easily been spent doing something else.

Sometimes you will know straight away that a candidate is not suitable, sometimes someone else will come in later that is better, especially for entry level/junior roles, as a potential employer sometimes you've to compromise.

Why not ? I'd prefer to have more control over my work, work hard for myself and start a strong business over time. I wouldn't be in it to become a millionaire but just to get a decent wage and maybe make enough that I could employee someone to run it for me while I make decisions at a higher level. I also don't think its about thinking I am better than running it than as an employee but more so that I am willing to take on the risk of running one.

I do realise I come across in this thread as quite aggressive but I am not like this daily, usually a passive and happy person, just fairly annoyed with how people think they can just treat people like this, it's disgusting. I want to move up in my roles, but it frustrating the life out of me.

Interpersonal skills are a key skill for anyone setting up in business, and as you've said, you don't come across great in that regard in this thread.

All I would like is for someone to tell me in an interview, look this is a 'no' and here is why. If you can get that in order try again etc.. I went to CPL before and the guy told me my CV was basically very poor, he explained how to make it look better. I went home that day, fixed it up and he was very impressed. I then sent that CV out and after hearing nothing back previous, I started to get replies.

I can't see how its such a big deal for people to point something out to someone that might help them in the future, rather than this 'unsuccessful' lark. It remind me of the bouncers 'sorry not tonight lads' when I was 18. Or there was someone more better suited to the role, like isn't that fairly obvious since I didn't get the job ! Care to tell me why they are more suited? How could I be more suited for the next job

You got told they had more experience and qualifications didn't you? What more do you expect? Look at the job spec, see where you didn't absolutely tick every box, and see what you can do to tick every box.

seannash

Gotta be honest, I conduct interviews for the company I work for.its call centre work and the interview is very informal. Before the interview I scan the CV and see the experience. If you've gotten passed our HR then you have the relevant experience.
I never ask about the CV, like I said I know you have experience and I believe most people can do the type of work you'd be interviewing for.
What is way more important is fit.I ask about hobbies, interests not made up scenarios where you could give me a canned answer.
Depending on the dynamic of the existing group we could be looking for an outgoing fun and bubbly personality or we could be looking for a quieter individual who just comes in and gets the job done.
It doesn't make it any easier but being annoyed by not getting the usual give me an example of a time when......... Won't help.

TallGlass

seannash wrote: »

What is way more important is fit.I ask about hobbies, interests not made up scenarios where you could give me a canned answer. Depending on the dynamic of the existing group we could be looking for an outgoing fun and bubbly personality or we could be looking for a quieter individual who just comes in and gets the job done. It doesn't make it any easier but being annoyed by not getting the usual give me an example of a time when......... Won't help.

That's quite interesting you mention that, not having a go at you. But I fail to see how someone could determine someones personality from a few questions regards what they do in there spare time. Personally I don't think it's anyone's business what I do in my own time, once it doesn't bring the company into question or is illegal. In both cases, I don't think they would mention that in the interview. Besides, couldn't you just as easily lie and tell a few fibs.

I get where you are coming from with asking the questions, but I just think that's a very flawed. You'll never truly know what a person works like or how they perform until they work for you, your trying to mitigate the risk for the role your hiring and always want to go with the best candidate, but years of experience also comes with years of experience of maybe cutting corners etc.. A new guy in the job could be trained the way you need him to do the work.

TallGlass

Stheno wrote: »

Gray suit/black shoes?

Thanks, I will look for that combo!

I'd seriously wonder if you are giving off some impression that is leading to the interviews being as they are. How long do they last on average?

Been entirely honest here with you, I am fairly certain I am not giving off any vibe that would be negative towards the role, I am polite to them and never negative regards past roles or negative in my answers to questions. If I have to be I try to be more positive than negative in the sentence. I would also never rant like on here. I let people finish talking before I would answer there questions. Someone times, I have even thought to myself during the interview, did they just say that or have been put off the role by something that was mentioned to me. But again I would carry on and listen to what was said and decide after if it is for me if offered a place.

I was thinking about this yesterday for a long time, what I think is my experience is letting me down, it's just 1 year. It's like cooking an egg I am not quite ready yet for someone to take on the risk, I am a big risk for someone to take on. In the sense I might find it over whelming and just quit and then they are back at square one.

As I said previously, I wouldn't apply to these jobs if I didn't think I could do it. All is need is a chance on my part to get the foot in. In this job, I didn't like it at the start it was tuff I wanted to give up but I stuck it out and am still here. I want to move onto other roles as I don't feel this role is geared much towards progression, I spent too long in other roles to fall into the same trap again and not so long ago I was very ill, close to death. We have such little time on earth, I don't want to be stuck in roles with no progression. Mind you, I don't expect to move into a role 3/6 months in, but I do expect to see some training and real training to be ready to move should the time come.

Sometimes you will know straight away that a candidate is not suitable, sometimes someone else will come in later that is better, especially for entry level/junior roles, as a potential employer sometimes you've to compromise.

Understandable, there are going to be people better than me. My gripe was been told I would be contacted then not been contacted. Even just to update me that the process is still on going, and then to have to follow up to find out if it was a yes or a no.

Interpersonal skills are a key skill for anyone setting up in business, and as you've said, you don't come across great in that regard in this thread.

That's fine by me, I think your picking me up wrong, as I am of the thinking that you seem to think that this behavior is acceptable. Which makes me a little annoyed to be perfectly honest.

You got told they had more experience and qualifications didn't you? What more do you expect? Look at the job spec, see where you didn't absolutely tick every box, and see what you can do to tick every box.

Yes, perfectly fine with me. So you'd find it a bit odd after been told that too see the job advertised online again!

I just seem to think you find this type of behavior acceptable, because I am looking at junior positions, have been told others selected have experience and qualifications that I do (yet mind you without actually been asked the people I have a gripe with giving that answer, what my experience and qualifications are). Honestly, I think you would have to be interviewed in this way to find out how annoying it is. That's why I come across fairly annoyed.

trishasaffron

Good to see you are being persistent, at least in responding to the advice.......seriously, well done on that. It is a great quality in work and well worth highlighting at an interview.

Reading your posts you do seem to have a problem with grammer, such as the correct usage of been/being and their/there/they're. To be honest, while by no means a grammer expert, I find this kind of basic error extremely irritating. If I was interviewing & this came across to me (I know you aren't writing but it could indicate errors in speech too) I would immediately rule the person out. Might be worth doing a little refresher on this.

Stheno

TallGlass wrote: »

That's quite interesting you mention that, not having a go at you. But I fail to see how someone could determine someones personality from a few questions regards what they do in there spare time. Personally I don't think it's anyone's business what I do in my own time, once it doesn't bring the company into question or is illegal. In both cases, I don't think they would mention that in the interview. Besides, couldn't you just as easily lie and tell a few fibs.

I get where you are coming from with asking the questions, but I just think that's a very flawed. You'll never truly know what a person works like or how they perform until they work for you, your trying to mitigate the risk for the role your hiring and always want to go with the best candidate, but years of experience also comes with years of experience of maybe cutting corners etc.. A new guy in the job could be trained the way you need him to do the work.

If you're a gamer who spends all their free time playing the latest games, versus someone who takes part in team sports, that actually tells interviewers a lot about you tbh.

I was once asked in an interview when the last time something rocked my world was (literally) and talked about some result the Irish Rugby team had achieved. I later asked why they asked that question and it was done by them to determine if people had interests other than focussing on technology

TallGlass wrote: »

I was thinking about this yesterday for a long time, what I think is my experience is letting me down, it's just 1 year. It's like cooking an egg I am not quite ready yet for someone to take on the risk, I am a big risk for someone to take on. In the sense I might find it over whelming and just quit and then they are back at square one.


Understandable, there are going to be people better than me. My gripe was been told I would be contacted then not been contacted. Even just to update me that the process is still on going, and then to have to follow up to find out if it was a yes or a no.

Ah with just the year, I'd say that is holding you back. Also it's a relatively short time to be in a role especially if it's a permanent role, and to be looking for a new job. Did any of them ask you why you were looking to move?


To be honest it's fifty fifty most of the time if people will get back to you on time.

beauf

TallGlass wrote: »

....It's seriously bad, I think along with down right rude and unacceptable that someone should ignore a person that is just asking for basic information on how they done, good or bad in there interview.....

IMO. Unless you're of interest, you'd be very unlikely to get a reply.

If you are not getting replies YOU need change until you start getting replies.

Perhaps I'm wrong but I think you are pitching for roles above your skillset and experience. You need to look at other peoples CV's and see how you compare.