Corporal punishment

timthumbni

Do any of the more mature heads on here have any stories about getting caned (not in a cannabis sense) or beat by a teacher?

Personally I hear about a lot of bad behaviour at my kids school. In my day those kids would have been dealt with by the rod. I was caned many times myself and to be honest I never had a problem with it. The best teacher I ever had caned me regularly and I stopped acting the tube and we both moved on. Lol.

There were a few who took it too far and were violent but they were in the minority. I tell me kids about the cane and they just laugh thinking I'm making it up.

Should the cane make a comeback???

Penny Tration

I was hit by a teacher as a form of discipline when I was a kid, AFTER it was outlawed (in 1993-1994).

It sure as hell didn't make me behave any better and it definitely should not make a comeback.

Why the hell should abusing children make a comeback??

Collie D

Every time the child smacking or corporal punishment debate starts replace the word "child" with "wife" and then try to convince me it's acceptable

NachoBusiness

timthumbni wrote: »

Do any of the more mature heads on here have any stories about getting caned (not in a cannabis sense) or beat by a teacher?

I have loads. You can hear them on:

1550-BOLD-BOY

NormalBob Ubiquitypants

Penny Tration wrote: »

I was hit by a teacher as a form of discipline when I was a kid, AFTER it was outlawed (in 1993-1994).

It sure as hell didn't make me behave any better and it definitely should not make a comeback.

Why the hell should abusing children make a comeback??

I don't think it was ever outlawed. Just policy. It would be assault though.

kneemos

Collie D wrote: »

Every time the child smacking or corporal punishment debate starts replace the word "child" with "wife" and then try to convince me it's acceptable

Replace wife with pet.

timthumbni

Penny Tration wrote: »

I was hit by a teacher as a form of discipline when I was a kid, AFTER it was outlawed (in 1993-1994).

It sure as hell didn't make me behave any better and it definitely should not make a comeback.

Why the hell should abusing children make a comeback??

I was clumped by a few teachers after the ban as well. It took about 3 or 4 years for that ban to be truely recognised in my school.

timthumbni

NachoBusiness wrote: »

I have loads. You can hear them on:

1550-BOLD-BOY

I haven't been called bold in 20 years. Love that word.

OneOfThem

Yes, the cane should make a comeback. Also capital punishment, that's back in. Rape in a marriage should be legal again too. Catholic priests should be back running communities from the pulpit as well. Condoms are out, banned. Let's sure up those abortion laws too. Racial segregation, that'll be a thing (sure we never even got a proper bash at that first time round). Homosexuality back on the banned list. Gunness and turf for everyone. And I want at least ten maidens dancing at every crossroad in the country. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Progress is over rated. A good spell of social regression, that'll cure what ails us.

Carlo Ancelotti

The trouble is many kids are getting no discipline at home, and now none in school. Some teachers are even afraid to verbally discipline children
End result is a lot of kids who believe they can do what they want and feel like and no one can stop them

timthumbni

How do teachers actually discipline kids nowadays though? My kids regale me of daily stories of some really class disrupting kids. In my time these kids would have been caned.

I really think that nowadays there is little or no deterrent for disruptive kids in a classroom. Such a change from my schooldays.

And btw I didn't consider myself "abused" just because I was caned. Though in all my days I can't remember a girl ever getting caned so there was overt sexism going on. Lol.

One eyed Jack

NormalBob Ubiquitypants wrote: »

I don't think it was ever outlawed. Just policy. It would be assault though.

It was policy in '82, criminalised in '96 -

Ireland

In schools in Ireland, corporal punishment was banned by regulation in 1982, and its use became a criminal offence in 1996.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_corporal_punishment


I don't think corporal punishment should ever be reintroduced in schools, and I don't think it ever will be.

Of course nowadays there are disciplinary issues in schools. My child was badly beaten by another child in the school two weeks ago, but caning that child would not have stopped them, nor prevented them, from doing the same thing to another child again. The issue was a language barrier (the other child has no english and wanted the ball from my son, and lashed out when it wasn't given to him). There are disciplinary procedures in place in schools that do not involve corporal punishment, and it's better IMO in the long run for all concerned, to work through those procedures for a better outcome for all concerned.

Tigger

I was hit by a heat teacher when I was 6 or seven
Hers was the only teachers house that we ever targeted at Halloween for years later
I was a good child but apparently needed hitting by this tnuc for talking in class or something

doolox

All corporal punishment does is to teach a child that violence is right, might is right and that it is OK to hit someone smaller and weaker than you to achieve your aims.

All of these are disastrously wrong life lessons to be giving to a child.

Teaching and child rearing require huge amounts of patience and skilled communications and resorting to corporal punishment should be seen as a failure to manage or communicate in a classroom.

I would only resort to corporal punishment in the the face of an extreme safety issue, child about to wander in front of a truck etc.. and then only as a physical containment to avoid further danger and get urgently needed attention and obedience where failure could result in injury or death...these situations are very rare.

People may point to riot squads, armed soldiers etc as being a justification for violence and its use by the State but these cases are used only to avoid death and injury in riots etc and only as a last resort.

I had a very unhappy but not untypical childhood at school and at home due to the existence of corporal punishment and its attendant resulting behaviours such as fighting, peer to peer assaults etc. It did my learning at school absolutely no good at all in that I learned to hate homework, knowledge etc. My mind was so warped by fear of failure that I learned to hate Shakespeare, poetry etc in the face of failure to memorise lines and the resultant punishment, usually corporal.

On leaving school I immediately dropped all contact with academic subjects not necessary to my job.

My mother on the other hand was very fortunate to have a very good teacher who never laid a finger on his pupils and instilled in her a love of learning which saw her rise to the top of her chosen field as a district Nurse and midwife in England. ON returning to Ireland however a marriage ban on workers at that time ( early 50's) put a huge gap in her career and made it difficult for her to go back to nursing full time, a common occurrence among
women at that time.

My father had a similar experience to my own with teachers, witnessing one teacher attacking a pupil with obvious learning disabilities over incorrectly addressing a visiting parish priest and another teacher hitting a pupil with a tee square. It imparted him with a crippling disregard and disdain for education, authority and learning in general which did not allow him to grow as a person.

Good teachers and educators can be immensely empowering and beneficial to their students and pupils. I was lucky to meet some through my life mostly in 3rd level and later life where the threat of corporal punishment and the challenging behaviour of some of the students was removed.

Most pupils seem to find school a far less fearful place regarding violence from teachers but it seems to be replaced with sarcasm and remarks often on the internet etc about their peers. Such verbal violence and devaluation can be just as damaging as the more obvious and easier to police physical violence of my youth.

timthumbni

OneOfThem wrote: »

Yes, the cane should make a comeback. Also capital punishment, that's back in. Rape in a marriage should be legal again too. Catholic priests should be back running communities from the pulpit as well. Condoms are out, banned. Let's sure up those abortion laws too. Racial segregation, that'll be a thing (sure we never even got a proper bash at that first time round). Homosexuality back on the banned list. Gunness and turf for everyone. And I want at least ten maidens dancing at every crossroad in the country. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Progress is over rated. A good spell of social regression, that'll cure what ails us.

Now that is just ridiculous. I'm surprised you didn't invoke Godwins Law somewhere in there. Rape is in no way comparable to getting hit on the hand by a teacher. Wise up.

pmasterson95

No. AH believes you cant touch the little darlings. Just call them scrotes and cut the parents dole. That'll teach the kids.....somehow

OneOfThem

timthumbni wrote: »

Now that is just ridiculous. I'm surprised you didn't invoke Godwins Law somewhere in there. Rape is in no way comparable to getting hit on the hand by a teacher. Wise up.

The point. You missed it by a mile. Read it again more carefully or I'll hit you with a big stick.

Yeah should especially beat all the lefties
that's the devil's hand

Sir Osis of Liver.

http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/5521859355_8d6aa042bb.jpg

Not very christian.

Got a few belts of that in my time.Some of the cnuts would load them with coins for added effect.

timthumbni

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/5521859355_8d6aa042bb.jpg

Not very christian.

Got a few belts of that in my time.Some of the cnuts would load them with coins for added effect.

Never saw a belt at school. There was a teacher who used to fire those big wooden blackboard dusters at people though.

Carlo Ancelotti

Never saw a teacher punch a child, this sort of hitting is clearly wrong
I dont think a smack on the hand or clip round the ear should be outlawed however

KERSPLAT!

I was never hit myself thankfully and I definitely wouldn't support it making a come back.

I would not react well to someone, anyone, hitting my kids.

timthumbni

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I was never hit myself thankfully and I definitely wouldn't support it making a come back.

I would not react well to someone, anyone, hitting my kids.

I probably agree and of course it won't make a comeback. I merely raised the issue as a debate as opposed to a cause.

Re hitting your kids I agree too. though I think some on here are getting too emotional and equating getting caned with getting beaten by fists etc which is an entirely different story. I attended a state (Protestant mainly) school and the cane (or the threat of it) was a staple part of the school diet.

Massimo Cassagrande

I went to a very rough school where the kids beat the teachers on a regular basis, and it didn't seem to improve their behaviour much. The teachers I mean.

Galwayguy35

Yeah I got the odd thump at school from the teachers as did others at the time.

Strangely enough the pupils that had mammy the teacher and daddy the guard as parents never got hit even though they could be right little sh1ts, only the poor ones.

Buona Fortuna

timthumbni wrote: »

Never saw a belt at school. There was a teacher who used to fire those big wooden blackboard dusters at people though.

Yep that was a regular thing - I do wonder about the H&s aspects though :pac:

Got a good hiding once - I'm sure the cnut enjoyed it :mad:

Badly Drunk Boy

I don't think it should be brought back but something should be done to put a bit of manners on the young 'uns. Some (the minority obviously) are too cocky, thinking they can get away with anything, with the teachers scared they will lose their jobs or be sued if they do anything against the students.

I was never hit in school because I was a good lickle boy, but in 1980, when I was 7, Mrs Finnerty took a 'loan' on my wooden ruler to discipline a friend in my class. She broke the ruler when she hit him, and never replaced it. I still haven't forgiven her...

timthumbni

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

I don't think it should be brought back but something should be done to put a bit of manners on the young 'uns. Some (the minority obviously) are too cocky, thinking they can get away with anything, with the teachers scared they will lose their jobs or be sued if they do anything against the students.

I was never hit in school because I was a good lickle boy, but in 1980, when I was 7, Mrs Finnerty took a 'loan' on my wooden ruler to discipline a friend in my class. She broke the ruler when she hit him, and never replaced it. I still haven't forgiven her...

I think we were not allowed to be caned until from p5 upwards. Before that it was a slap from the ruler. My p2 teacher used to tape 2 rulers together for double time justice. The old wooden rulers. Class craic altogether. The cane was but a youngster compared to the infamous double ruler.

Sunnyisland

Wedding ring across the top of the head
Hairlocks pulled upwards
Steel edged ruler across knuckles
A slap in face
Caned
Leather strap

Tis was all happening in our de la sall school in Ballyfermot on a everyday basis back in the 70,s.
There were two teachers and about three brothers who were absolutely animals and got great pleasure in dishing out punishments. it certainly did not do any of the pubils in our school any good, and just created bigger problems down the road.

Nowadays the way teachers punish children with consequences and getting the parents involved straight away is the right way to go. IMO.

Peregrine

doolox wrote: »

It imparted him with a crippling disregard and disdain for education, authority and learning in general which did not allow him to grow as a person.

This is it, really.

The "It didn't do me any harm" argument is pointless when you look at how badly it affects others. School should be a place of learning - not a place of abuse.

oceanid

realies wrote: »

Wedding ring across the top of the head
Hairlocks pulled upwards
Steel edged ruler across knuckles
A slap in face
Caned
Leather strap

Tis was all happening in our de la sall school in Ballyfermot on a everyday basis back in the 70,s.
There were two teachers and about three brothers who were absolutely animals and got great pleasure in dishing out punishments. it certainly did not do any of the pubils in our school any good, and just created bigger problems down the road.

Horrendous and shocking that things like this ever happened. Then people wonder why there's anti-social kids around with this kind of treatment of people only a generation ago.

I remember getting beatings with a wooden ruler a few times in junior infants.

I remember when it all suddenly stopped as well, probably around '82 - a strange time to be a kid.

Hitchens

did he never get promoted further?

NachoBusiness

Patience is all that is needed..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehgfdZeigFI

timthumbni

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Patience is all that is needed..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehgfdZeigFI

Was that a young Matt Dillon at the end of that. God I feel old. I bet you Molly ringwald isn't even hot anymore.

NachoBusiness

timthumbni wrote: »

Was that a young Matt Dillon at the end of that. God I feel old.

No, Kevin.. it was Catholic Boys (called Heaven Help Us in the states). Good flicks with a young Matt would be The Outsiders / Rumble Fish.

I bet you Molly ringwald isn't even hot anymore.

Considering it's 30 years ago.. she's doing fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkWLg8vJX_Q

Azalea

pmasterson95 wrote: »

No. AH believes you cant touch the little darlings. Just call them scrotes and cut the parents dole. That'll teach the kids.....somehow

Bizarre post.

Claw Hammer

This teacher is still dishing it out! I never remeber anything like that when I was in school.



https://www.enca.com/south-africa/video-kzn-teacher-canes-schoolgirls-across-buttocks

biko

Did you attend school in KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa?

getzls

Carlo Ancelotti wrote: »

The trouble is many kids are getting no discipline at home, and now none in school. Some teachers are even afraid to verbally discipline children
End result is a lot of kids who believe they can do what they want and feel like and no one can stop them

And that's because their parents got no discipline in school so some don't have it to pass on.

I'm 57 and even got canned in primary school.

4ensic15

Claw Hammer wrote: »

This teacher is still dishing it out! I never remeber anything like that when I was in school.



https://www.enca.com/south-africa/video-kzn-teacher-canes-schoolgirls-across-buttocks

I reckon that video is a fake. When I was at school, if anyone made noise when the teacher was beating someone , that person would get the same as the one who was being punished. It is also happening far too fast.

Claw Hammer

biko wrote: »

Did you attend school in KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa?

Did you?

MilesMorales1

Not from school teachers no, my dad spent most of childhood beating the **** out of me, regardless of if I'd done something or not.

mahamageehad

Teachers hitting kids is obviously wrong, although I'm too young to have any experience of it. However, we've gone too far the other way now I think, teachers are afraid to say boo to a bold child.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

No thank Christ.

If anyone ever hit my child with a cane, I hope they wouldn't mind me hitting them back with a bigger one

byhookorbycrook

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah should especially beat all the lefties
that's the devil's hand

I was regularly beaten by a nun for using my left hand (I was around 5 at the time) She also tied my left hand to the desk to top me trying to use it. It was the only time my mother ever came to the school.She had been made to change when she was a child and knew the damage it did.

That "holy nun " is one of the reasons I wanted to become a primary teacher - to show children that teachers could be different!

byhookorbycrook

Sunnyisland wrote: »

Nowadays the way teachers punish children with consequences and getting the parents involved straight away is the right way to go. IMO.

There are those parents who either won't engage or will not accept that little Asbo could do anything wrong, ever.This is where most issues arise.

Borderfox

Got hit in primary with a stick, cane, leather, drumstick (not chicken variety) fist, foot some combined and some individually.

Personally it did me a lot of harm and was something to work out as I got older so I wouldn't like to see it back

endacl

kneemos wrote: »

Replace wife with pet.

Whatever you're into, I suppose.

Weird...

4ensic15

Borderfox wrote: »

Got hit in primary with a stick, cane, leather, drumstick (not chicken variety) fist, foot some combined and some individually.

Personally it did me a lot of harm and was something to work out as I got older so I wouldn't like to see it back

You must have been a right brat. When I was at school, only those who deserved it were hit.

byhookorbycrook

4ensic15 wrote: »

You must have been a right brat. When I was at school, only those who deserved it were hit.

Really?And what did they do to "deserve" it?

4ensic15

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Really?And what did they do to "deserve" it?

Misbehaved.