Russian Aircraft Missing/Crashed

DOCARCH · 31-10-2015 8:04am #1

News reports that a Russian (civilian) aircraft has gone missing and/or has crashed after take off from Egypt.

Reports seem a bit confused atm with some reports stating that the a/c went missing over Cyprus and others saying that the a/c has crashed in Egypt.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1031/738678-egypt-plane-crash/

WheatenBriar · 31-10-2015 8:06am

Oh yikes, R.I.P

Do Cyprus control Egyptian airspace? It crashed in Sinai

WheatenBriar · 31-10-2015 8:11am

It reached 30k ft and dropped 5k ft in seconds,it left SSH at 350am utc and was lost from radar at 414 am according to a flight radar spokesman on five live just now,he says it looks like the airbus 321 stalled

AndyBoBandy · 31-10-2015 8:11am

I read that it had been found safe and sound!

But now reading it has indeed crashed!!

31-10-2015 8:12am

Aircraft has crashed in Eygpt and is registered as EI-ETJ

Stinicker · 31-10-2015 8:16am

It reportedly had 224 people on board, and was a A321 early days yet but I'm wondering if it might be terror related considering recent Russian involvement in Syria, the Islamic State are said to possess surface to air missiles. I have noticed a lot more than usual of the ME3 gulf flights routing in over Saudi Arabia and flying up over Egypt avoiding Iran, Syria and Iraq in the last few weeks.

PukkaStukka · 31-10-2015 8:19am

BBC carrying the story now

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34687139

gumbo1 · 31-10-2015 8:23am

I would hope it was just an accident and not an attack! RIP to the lost souls!

Ghost Train · 31-10-2015 8:32am

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ei-etj/#7d986d3

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/Airbus/A321/663/EI-ETJ-Kolavia

FWVT · 31-10-2015 8:54am

Weather is unlikely to be an issue. Clear skies eliminate icing, though a 100-kt jet at FL390 will probably have introduced turbulence at altitude.

L1011 · 31-10-2015 9:12am

With neither Egypt nor Russia having competent investigation authorities, I wonder will the AAIU become involved here due to country of registration?

CINCLANTFLT · 31-10-2015 9:19am

L1011 wrote: »

With neither Egypt nor Russia having competent investigation authorities, I wonder will the AAIU become involved here due to country of registration?

One time the Egyptians asked for external advice... And then disagreed with the findings... Egypt Air 990...

vicwatson · 31-10-2015 9:51am

Stinicker wrote: »

It reportedly had 224 people on board, and was a A321 early days yet but I'm wondering if it might be terror related considering recent Russian involvement in Syria, the Islamic State are said to possess surface to air missiles. I have noticed a lot more than usual of the ME3 gulf flights routing in over Saudi Arabia and flying up over Egypt avoiding Iran, Syria and Iraq in the last few weeks.

Conspiracy Theory Thread perhaps? Until we know for sure like. rip passengers and crew

vicwatson · 31-10-2015 9:58am

From Flying Ireland....owner is

Wilmington Trust SP Services (Dublin) Ltd.
First Floor, 7 Exchange Place, IFSC, Dublin 1
Registered 30/03/2012

homerjay2005 · 31-10-2015 10:05am

Unconfirmed reports of survivors being heard inside the wreckage.

vicwatson · 31-10-2015 10:08am

Being heard? By whom? Emergency crews?

jimbis · 31-10-2015 10:15am

Seems to be a lot of reports of survivors alright.

Egyptian government say it definitely wasn't shot down.

All Russians on board including 17 children.

homerjay2005 · 31-10-2015 10:19am

vicwatson wrote: »

Being heard? By whom? Emergency crews?

"

@SkyNewsBreak: Update - Reuters: officers at the scene of the Russian plane crash say voices of trapped passengers could be heard in a section of the plane"

..

sjb25 · 31-10-2015 10:20am

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Unconfirmed reports of survivors being heard inside the wreckage.

After a decent like that? Holy sh1t if true

JCX BXC · 31-10-2015 10:41am

Just as I'm going on a flight tomorrow, I won't be worried, but I can't say the same about my accompanying passengers.

I got the RTE news alert this morning, and I have to say I didn't quite know what it was. When I said it, it said voices heard in wreakage in Egypt or something vague along the lines of that, tbh the first thing that popped into my head was Halloween related.

Also that was an interesting point raised earlier about whether the AAIU would get involved, what about the equivalent in France, when a Boeing plane is involved in such an incident the NTSB always investigate.

RIP to all on board, which includes several families. Very sad

JCX BXC · 31-10-2015 11:10am

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ei-etj/#7d986d3

From flightradar, the aircraft appeared to have reached 33,500ft before falling rapidly to 29925ft and then a slight turn to the right with another fall to 28375ft, before disappearing from Radar.

L1011 · 31-10-2015 11:34am

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

One time the Egyptians asked for external advice... And then disagreed with the findings... Egypt Air 990...

That's why I could see pressure for other involved agencies to investigate. BEA as airframer country is another possibility

Lockheed · 31-10-2015 11:46am

Watching playback is terrifying... 70 knts and 6000+ fpm...

fits · 31-10-2015 12:02pm

Yes whatever happened seems to have been fairly catastrophic if the flightradar playback is correct. Looks like it just fell out of the sky.

fits · 31-10-2015 12:04pm

Got this from pprune. Dont know when they were published

Current notam
1A6349
HECC CAIRO FIR
1A6349/15 SECURITY EGYPT, NORTHERN SINAI PENINSULA, POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS SITUATION CONTENT: GERMANY ADVISES ALL GERMAN OPERATORS NOT TO PLAN AND CONDUCT FLIGHTS BELOW FL260 DUE TO HAZARDOUS SITUATION IN THE AIRSPACE OF EGYPT, REGION NORTHERN SINAI (FIR CAIRO). POTENTIAL RISK TO AVIATION OVERFLYING THIS AREA BELOW FL260 AND TAKE OFF / LANDING AT ALL AIRPORTS FROM DEDICATED ANTI-AVIATION AND GROUND TO GROUND WEAPONRY. OPERATORS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO TAKE POTENTIAL RISK INTO ACCOUNT IN THEIR RISK ASSESSMENT AND ROUTEING DECISION. AFFECTED AREA: AREA WITHIN N311400E322200 - N294000E324000 - N293000E345400 N312000E341200 - N311400E322200 EMERGENCY SITUATIONS: IN AN EMERGENCY THAT REQUIRES IMMEDIATE DECISION AND ACTION FOR THE SAFETY OF THE FLIGHT, THE PILOT IN COMMAND MAY DEVIATE FROM THIS NOTAM TO THE EXTENT REQUIRED BY THAT EMERGENCY.

And

1V42/15 HAZARDOUS SITUATION IN EGYPTIAN AIRSPACE IN NORTHERN SINAI GOVERNATE WITHIN THE AREA BOUNDED BY 311400N 322200E - 294000N 324000E - 293000N 345400E - 312000N 341200E - 311400N 322200E (CAIRO FIR, SINAI PENINSULA). POTENTIAL RISK TO AVIATION OVERFLYING THIS AREA AT LESS THAN 25,000FT AGL FROM DEDICATED ANTI-AVIATION WEAPONRY. OPERATORS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO TAKE THIS POTENTIAL RISK INTO ACCOUNT IN THEIR RISK ASSESSMENTS AND ROUTEING DECISIONS. CONTACT UK DEPARTMENT FOR TRANSPORT (DFT) (+44) (0)20 7944 3260 OR (+44) (0)207 944 5999 OUT OF HOURS 14-12-0274/AS6.
SFC-UNL

fr336 · 31-10-2015 12:08pm

In Moscow MP Vladimir Gutenev has told state news agency TASS he will seek to ban the use of planes that are more than 15 years old.

Facepalm......talk about wanting to look to be doing something...words fail me...bloody politicians

fits · 31-10-2015 12:10pm

Nothing is flying over the area where plane went down at present. All diverting around northern sinai.

homerjay2005 · 31-10-2015 12:12pm

No survivors now according to Sky.

Really has been a bad few years now for aviation, that's 5 big crashes in less than 2 years

31-10-2015 12:13pm

Its been reported now that nobody has survived. Black box has been found.

smurfjed · 31-10-2015 12:50pm

Dont know when they were published

The NOTAM about Northern Sinai was published just after the Ukraine shoot down, as its an area of increased tensions. I'm surprised that they were flying in the area especially with the Russia activity to the east.

Also that was an interesting point raised earlier about whether the AAIU would get involved, what about the equivalent in France, when a Boeing plane is involved in such an incident the NTSB always investigate.

State of Manufacture, State of Crash location, State of registry, state of airline AOC.

cowboyBuilder · 31-10-2015 12:51pm

http://gu.com/p/4dnpe/sbl

Scare mongering , would expect more from the guardian

fr336 · 31-10-2015 12:55pm

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

http://gu.com/p/4dnpe/sbl

Scare mongering , would expect more from the guardian

I'll definitely think twice about going on my local easyJet or an Aer Lingus now!! Erm....

outsidein98 · 31-10-2015 12:57pm

Those NOTAMs relate to the threat from hand held missiles. The so called MANPADS. They're no threat above 20,000 feet. The Airbus was well above that. You'd need something like the now infamous Buk missile which brought down MH17. Rebels won't have access to that system.

But in any case once the FDR and CVR are recovered the there will be some clarity. To me it looks like a loss of control incident a la AF447 or Air Asia. The FR24 data points to that. But it's idle speculation at the moment.

JCX BXC · 31-10-2015 12:58pm

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

http://gu.com/p/4dnpe/sbl

Scare mongering , would expect more from the guardian

"In September, a Thomas Cook Airbus A321-200 flying from Manchester to Izmir in Turkey reported a hydraulic problem and returned to Manchester where it landed safely."

Ah here, come on the guardian.

fr336 · 31-10-2015 1:00pm

outsidein98 wrote: »

But in any case once the FDR and CVR are recovered the there will be some clarity. To me it looks like a loss of control incident a la AF447 or Air Asia. The FR24 data points to that. But it's idle speculation at the moment.

No more than the war mongers piling in to point to terrorism...you know...'just incase'. Make some capital out of it for a few hours to stir the pot...

MoyVilla9 · 31-10-2015 1:01pm

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

http://gu.com/p/4dnpe/sbl

Scare mongering , would expect more from the guardian

The argument would be that until the reason of this accident is uncovered, the safety of the A320 family is indeed in question.

lintdrummer · 31-10-2015 1:08pm

Russia launches criminal case over plane crash

Sad to see this kind of reaction so early, they seem to be very eager to find someone to blame.

RIA news agency reported that the Investigative Committee's case had been brought under an article regulating "violation of rules of flights and preparations for them".

eatmyshorts · 31-10-2015 1:13pm

lintdrummer wrote: »

Russia launches criminal case over plane crash

Sad to see this kind of reaction so early, they seem to be very eager to find someone to blame.

A criminal case is standard procedure in Russia for any aviation accident. Nothing unusual.

Zonda999 · 31-10-2015 1:14pm

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

http://gu.com/p/4dnpe/sbl

Scare mongering , would expect more from the guardian

Pathetic from the Guardian, the kind of thing I'd expect from the Daily Mail, and on that note, I can't see any similar article on the Daily Mail (yet..)

Stinicker · 31-10-2015 1:20pm

I'm thinking that this maybe something closer to the Air Asia crash in Indonesia last year or else something similar to the Lufthansa Bilbao incident last year.

Atlantic Dawn · 31-10-2015 1:31pm

vicwatson wrote: »

From Flying Ireland....owner is

Wilmington Trust SP Services (Dublin) Ltd.
First Floor, 7 Exchange Place, IFSC, Dublin 1
Registered 30/03/2012

With it being an Irish plane will there be an Irish investigations team sent or is it left to the country it crashed in?

31-10-2015 1:58pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

With it being an Irish plane will there be an Irish investigations team sent or is it left to the country it crashed in?

They will offer their services but most likely Egypt and Russia will take the lead on it.

It's not necessarily an Irish plane, it is registered here but it's owned by ILFC/AerCap a Dutch company who are leasing it to Metrojet.

cowboyBuilder · 31-10-2015 2:06pm

Carnacalla wrote: »

"In September, a Thomas Cook Airbus A321-200 flying from Manchester to Izmir in Turkey reported a hydraulic problem and returned to Manchester where it landed safely."

Ah here, come on the guardian.

And the funny thing is they mention that one takes off or lands every 2.5 seconds !!

Surely that shows how safe their record is ?

fits · 31-10-2015 2:09pm

I dont really see the problem with the guardian article. It is a fairly factual description of the safety record. i.e. its very safe! one takes off every 2.5 seconds!

fits · 31-10-2015 2:13pm

the journal says IS are claiming responsibility. Dunno if the journal waits for verified reports before publishing these things.

http://www.thejournal.ie/sinai-plane-crash-2418836-Oct2015/

Gringo180 · 31-10-2015 2:17pm

The journal running a story claiming Isis have claimed responsibilty for the attack. Idiots.

Rip to all on board.

ax586 · 31-10-2015 2:29pm

Rte are now saying the same thing

N64 · 31-10-2015 2:32pm

shame that that RTE has as little journalistic integrity as thejournal.

Calina · 31-10-2015 2:37pm

N64 wrote: »

shame that that RTE has as little journalistic integrity as thejournal.

It's not RTE limited. I am listening to Radio Contact (a pop station) in Belgium and they've just reported that IS has claimed responsability as well.

Mister Jingles · 31-10-2015 2:38pm

Indo are reporting the same as well now, their source is Reuters.

Lockheed · 31-10-2015 2:42pm

The plane definitley broke up in mid air. no doubt about that. missiles are 100% out of the question as IS would not have access to powerful equipment to bring down an airliner at 31k ft, but what about a bombing? It wouldn't nessecairly be IS that did it

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