Cork student suffers sexual harrassment

roosterman71

A girl in Cork had her skirt pulled up over the weekend
Examiner
Indo
Breaking News
Plenty of other reports too.

Just wondering, does this thing go on all the time? What do ye folks think?
Will the "having the craic" defence stand up if this goes further?

Ctrl Alt Delete

If that ends up as being the most embarrassing moment of her life consider herself lucky

MilesMorales1

I'd say it does happen all the time. You'd hope the 'banta' defence wouldn't work, but ya know. I mean it might seem harmless and ****, but its really not. Good on her for reporting it.

Nib

"I was mortified"

So much so, she decided to go to the national media to tell the whole country.


A nothing story. She's an attention seeking airhead.

MilesMorales1

Nib wrote: »

"I was mortified"

So much so, she decided to go to the national media to tell the whole country.

She's an attention seeking airhead.

G'way, would you like it if someone pulled your pants down in public?

SEPT 23 1989

Is this what passes for a news story now?

Azalea

Arse-holish thing to do and fair play to her for speaking out. I don't understand the "she can't have been that embarrassed if she went on the media about it" thing - it's not like she's sharing a video or picture of the incident, she's only talking about it - two very different things in this instance.

I don't know if it's sexual assault, and nobody deserves to be slapped unless it's in self defence from physical attack, but a dickish thing to do which does not warrant (the inevitable) downplaying. Nothing "banter" about it when it's solely humiliating the person on the receiving end.

pmasterson95

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

G'way, would you like it if someone pulled your pants down in public?

Very much, the police dont like when I do it myself.

kneemos

Nib wrote: »

"I was mortified"

So much so, she decided to go to the national media to tell the whole country.


A nothing story. She's an attention seeking airhead.

Says she was so upset she decided to post it on facefcuk.
Whatever helps?

frostyjacks

Must be a slow news day. Next week's story: 'I Was Traumatised' - Says Woman After Bottom Pinched In Nightclub Horror Attack.

Jesus, it's amazing what people will turn around. Some absolute scumbag humiliates a total stranger in public, who is understandably upset and vents on her facebook...


...And SHE'S the one with the problem.

Some things never change. Stay classy AH.

Nodin

roosterman71 wrote: »

A girl in Cork had her skirt pulled up over the weekend
Examiner
Indo
Breaking News
Plenty of other reports too.

Just wondering, does this thing go on all the time? What do ye folks think?
Will the "having the craic" defence stand up if this goes further?

I'm not saying it mighten be frightening, nasty, uncalled for or anything else, but will say it isn't news. Not even in this relatively small country, not even in Cork, or small section of Cork..

Tigger

in 1998 my friend looked shook in college so i asked what had happened
a couple of young teen boys had run up to her and ripped her blouse open to "get a look at her t!ts" on her walk in that morning
she reckoned she wouldn't recognise them if they were standing in front of her

in this day of social media i'm sure that she'd have wanted to warn other women walking to be wary and i'm sure that the papers would have picked up on it

Candie

Candie wrote: »

Jesus, it's amazing what people will turn around. Some absolute scumbag humiliates a total stranger in public, who is understandably upset and vents on her facebook...


...And SHE'S the one with the problem.

Some things never change. Stay classy AH.

i actually came in here and thought "god i hate when women do that to men in kilts"

Poor girl though

rubadub

roosterman71 wrote: »

Just wondering, does this thing go on all the time?

I have never seen women's skirts being lifted up on a night out, would expect a fight if I did, I have seen it done to men in kilts several times though. I have seen guys being "pantsed" by both males & females, never saw a woman being "pantsed"

Scottish barmen refuse to wear kilts as they are 'embarrassed' by women who lift up garments

Some might view this as less serious, or more serious as there is definite attempt to expose them with no underwear, it would be more similar to lifting a up a towel on a person changing at the beach -expecting/hoping the person to be have no underwear.

eviltwin

I reckon a lot of the AH knuckle draggers are the type to engage in this kind of thing, sure it's only a bit of fun. Well take it from someone who has been on the receiving end of this kind of 'fun', its humiliating and intimidating. Keep your hands to yourself people.

JJJJNR

Candie wrote: »

Jesus, it's amazing what people will turn around. Some absolute scumbag humiliates a total stranger in public, who is understandably upset and vents on her facebook...


...And SHE'S the one with the problem.

Some things never change. Stay classy AH.[/QUOTE

One of her friends assaulted the guy, how come no one is talking about that.

Tigger

Nodin wrote: »

I'm not saying it mighten be frightening, nasty, uncalled for or anything else, but will say it isn't news. Not even in this relatively small country, not even in Cork, or small section of Cork..

your not saying it mighen be frightening
or uncalled for? say i pull your trousers down for you as you are walking home
that'd be ok would it

highlighting the aggressive sexual harassment of a young woman is'nt news?

eviltwin

JJJJNR wrote: »

Candie wrote: »

Jesus, it's amazing what people will turn around. Some absolute scumbag humiliates a total stranger in public, who is understandably upset and vents on her facebook...


...And SHE'S the one with the problem.

Some things never change. Stay classy AH.[/QUOTE

One of her friends assaulted the guy, how come no one is talking about that.

He deserved it. Lay a hand on another person and you take your chances.

Tigger

JJJJNR wrote: »

Candie wrote: »

Jesus, it's amazing what people will turn around. Some absolute scumbag humiliates a total stranger in public, who is understandably upset and vents on her facebook...


...And SHE'S the one with the problem.

Some things never change. Stay classy AH.

One of her friends assaulted the guy, how come no one is talking about that.

she slapped him to protect her friend, you think tats worth discussing then letss discuss it
i think it was a good thing fair play to her

MilesMorales1

JJJJNR wrote: »

Candie wrote: »

Jesus, it's amazing what people will turn around. Some absolute scumbag humiliates a total stranger in public, who is understandably upset and vents on her facebook...


...And SHE'S the one with the problem.

Some things never change. Stay classy AH.[/QUOTE

One of her friends assaulted the guy, how come no one is talking about that.

He exposed her arse in public on a drunken dare kinda thing it sounds like, oi oi banta etc, lucky that's all he got.

castletownman

Sexual harassment is a two-way street.

But it's alright for a group of drunken women in their 30's to fondle and annoy a fella on a night out, because that pink sash with "bride to be" draped over their shoulder, accompanied with matching cowboy hat and a mickey-shaped straw are a cloak of immunity. One is not allowed complain should they become trapped in their "feeding zone".

hatrickpatrick

I'd go much further and call that sexual assault, not sexual harassment. The term harassment implies a non-physical incident and is far more ill defined, as far as I'm concerned as soon as you put your hands on someone's privates or the clothes covering them without permission, that's sexual assault.

Sexual harassment is more verbally pestering somebody who's already rejected you for sexual favours, or trying to put pressure on them ("do it or you're not getting promoted") etc. Once it becomes physical IMO it transcends harassment into the realm of assault.

MilesMorales1

castletownman wrote: »

Sexual harassment is a two-way street.

But it's alright for a group of drunken women in their 30's to fondle and annoy a fella on a night out, because that pink sash with "bride to be" draped over their shoulder, accompanied with matching cowboy hat and a mickey-shaped straw are a cloak of immunity. One is not allowed complain should they become trapped in their "feeding zone".

I don't think thats alright either, except maybe the man would be less likely/encouraged to not report it. Still not right though.

eviltwin

castletownman wrote: »

Sexual harassment is a two-way street.

But it's alright for a group of drunken women in their 30's to fondle and annoy a fella on a night out, because that pink sash with "bride to be" draped over their shoulder, accompanied with matching cowboy hat and a mickey-shaped straw are a cloak of immunity. One is not allowed complain should they become trapped in their "feeding zone".

Don't see anyone defending that here do you but carry on with your defence of what happened to this woman.

Tigger

castletownman wrote: »

Sexual harassment is a two-way street.

But it's alright for a group of drunken women in their 30's to fondle and annoy a fella on a night out, because that pink sash with "bride to be" draped over their shoulder, accompanied with matching cowboy hat and a mickey-shaped straw are a cloak of immunity. One is not allowed complain should they become trapped in their "feeding zone".

whataboutery

also

if some drunk bint wants to feel me up i'm well able ttell her to get ta fcuk and i'm not gonna feel intimidated
yer wan is 4'10 ITS NOT THE SAME

Nodin

Tigger wrote: »

highlighting the aggressive sexual harassment of a young woman is'nt news?

Given the actual incidence of violence - real violence - against women in the country, and that far far worse probably took place in the country on the night, and probably in cork as well, no, it isn't.

Tigger

up until now i've dismissed the misogyny claims about AH for the last few years but there are some right wierdos in here allright

Tigger

Nodin wrote: »

Given the actual incidence of violence - real violence - against women in the country, and that far far worse probably took place in the country on the night, and probably in cork as well, no, it isn't.

selective quoting

and whataboutery

hatrickpatrick

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I don't think thats alright either, except maybe the man would be less likely/encouraged to not report it. Still not right though.

To be completely fair, it's not just men being encouraged not to report it. I know some women - not many, but some - who seem to automatically view male sexuality as less "sacred" or whatever in terms of violation, in the same way as many people seem to believe that there should be more outrage if a woman gets beaten up for no reason in public than a man. It's a cultural double standard which, like society's acceptance of anti-traveller bigotry, is so deeply ingrained that even many otherwise level headed, decent people will fail to notice it.

Electric Sheep

castletownman wrote: »

But it's alright for a group of drunken women in their 30's to fondle and annoy a fella on a night out, because that pink sash with "bride to be" draped over their shoulder, accompanied with matching cowboy hat and a mickey-shaped straw are a cloak of immunity. One is not allowed complain should they become trapped in their "feeding zone".

Is it? That is a pretty strange opinion to hold. I'd report it to the management. I suppose that is why a lot of places ban both hens and stags these days. Some people take those as a license to label sexual harassment as "craic".

Tigger

This is just making me angry
if you think this is ok then you are a freak

there isn't a finite amount of news that fits on the internet so the whataboutery is gibberish

victim blaming is another thing i thought was being bandied around in AH too much but fcuk sake talking about her rather than what happened her?

castletownman

eviltwin wrote: »

Don't see anyone defending that here do you but carry on with your defence of what happened to this woman.

To be fair I wasn't defending what happened. Just acknowledged that my example is probably more prevalent.

In fact it sickens my tits to see anything like that happen to a girl on a night out. And the fella involved is a scumbag.

MilesMorales1

I hate sounding like a crank and a whiner and PC whatever, but there is a problem with misogyny in AH. Some poor women gets harassed, and the response from some people is to either belittle her, or deflect the issue. Might not sound newsworthy, but its indicative of a larger nation wide problem. Harassment isn't ok regardless of whether its a bloke or a woman, and this definitely wasn't ok.





I'm not a crank.

KERSPLAT!

castletownman wrote: »

Sexual harassment is a two-way street.

But it's alright for a group of drunken women in their 30's to fondle and annoy a fella on a night out, because that pink sash with "bride to be" draped over their shoulder, accompanied with matching cowboy hat and a mickey-shaped straw are a cloak of immunity. One is not allowed complain should they become trapped in their "feeding zone".

Just because it happens, doesn't mean it's right and does't make what happened to this girl right either

Terrible to to happen, IMO. Probably not national news worthy but sure the news is full of ****e anyway.

eviltwin

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

To be completely fair, it's not just men being encouraged not to report it. I know some women - not many, but some - who seem to automatically view male sexuality as less "sacred" or whatever in terms of violation, in the same way as many people seem to believe that there should be more outrage if a woman gets beaten up for no reason in public than a man. It's a cultural double standard which, like society's acceptance of anti-traveller bigotry, is so deeply ingrained that even many otherwise level headed, decent people will fail to notice it.

Totally agree. Men are actually told they should enjoy the attention. Women are told it's to be expected if they look, dress, behave a certain way. Both are told it's no big deal. Well, it is a big deal. Not as serious as what could happen on a night out but it can be frightening when it does happen. Not so much the damage from being touched but the humiliation at being the butt of someone's bit of fun, of being seen as a bit of meat, the fun others get by intimidating you. It's not always that easy to just get over it.

frostyjacks

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'd go much further and call that sexual assault, not sexual harassment. The term harassment implies a non-physical incident and is far more ill defined, as far as I'm concerned as soon as you put your hands on someone's privates or the clothes covering them without permission, that's sexual assault.

Sexual harassment is more verbally pestering somebody who's already rejected you for sexual favours, or trying to put pressure on them ("do it or you're not getting promoted") etc. Once it becomes physical IMO it transcends harassment into the realm of assault.

Assault is stretching it a little too far. An item of clothing was moved, nothing physical. The skirt was probably halfway up her backside anyway by the sounds of things. Not that that excuses the incident.

eviltwin

castletownman wrote: »

To be fair I wasn't defending what happened. Just acknowledged that my example is probably more prevalent.

In fact it sickens my tits to see anything like that happen to a girl on a night out. And the fella involved is a scumbag.

And that's not okay either. I'd be disgusted if a female friend treated a man like that. But if people don't speak out nothing changes. And nothing will change if the people who do speak out are slated for doing so.

KERSPLAT!

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Fr_Dougal

Scummy, sleazy thing to do to anyone. I'm glad this is getting a bit of media coverage, will help to show these slack-jawed yokels that this behaviour is not acceptable.

JJJJNR

This girl is an idiot, she's going on about the "sexualisation" of women, while being scantily dressed herself. AH has called it right this time.

Fr_Dougal

JJJJNR wrote: »

This girl is an idiot, she's going on about the "sexualisation" of women, while being scantily dressed herself. AH has called it right this time.

WTF?

She's on a night out with friends, just because she's wearing a dress doesn't mean that anyone has the right to pull it up on her.

The attitude in your post stinks.

Sunnyisland

Horrible thing to do to a women.

P. Breathnach

frostyjacks wrote: »

Assault is stretching it a little too far. An item of clothing was moved, nothing physical.

If it caused her fear or distress, it was assault.

The skirt was probably halfway up her backside anyway by the sounds of things. Not that that excuses the incident.

So why speculate on what she was wearing? That's an insidious form of victim-blaming, while pretending that you are doing no such thing.

MilesMorales1

JJJJNR wrote: »

This girl is an idiot, she's going on about the "sexualisation" of women, while being scantily dressed herself. AH has called it right this time.

See, this is just an example. The way a woman/anyone dresses does not mean they're looking for it, they deserve it, or anything. Your attitude is awful.

Sunnyisland

JJJJNR wrote: »

This girl is an idiot, she's going on about the "sexualisation" of women, while being scantily dressed herself. AH has called it right this time.

Does it matter what way she is dressed ? It doesn't give anyone the right to pull up her dress/skirt. What planet are you living in ?

JJJJNR

Sorry but its true, if you are against the sexualisation of women, dress like someone who opposes that. I don't condone what he did but she's mocking herself.

MilesMorales1

JJJJNR wrote: »

Sorry but its true, if you are against the sexualisation of women, dress like someone who opposes that. I don't condone what he did but she's mocking herself.

So women should dress as nuns on nights out? Not dress up at all? If they do they're apparently asking for it? Get the **** out of here, its 2015 not 1915.

IvyTheTerrible

JJJJNR wrote: »

Sorry but its true, if you are against the sexualisation of women, dress like someone who opposes that. I don't condone what he did but she's mocking herself.

So tell us, how SHOULD a woman who doesn't want to be sexually harassed dress?

darkpagandeath

Women Groping men in clubs and on the street while drunk none story.

eviltwin

JJJJNR wrote: »

Sorry but its true, if you are against the sexualisation of women, dress like someone who opposes that. I don't condone what he did but she's mocking herself.

So you're basically saying men are such animals that they can't control themselves when they see a girl in a short skirt? And yet how many men she passed that night were able to be around her and not lay.a hand on her. Don't make this a clothing issue, that does a disservice to both sexes.