Trying to convince my mate apple is better

Pootis

Title says it all. Trying to prove apple is best, post what makes apple superior from windows to you !

FortySeven

Pootis wrote: »

Title says it all. Trying to prove apple is best, post what makes apple superior from windows to you !

Flogging a dead horse there, apple stuff is no better than any other and their software is frankly appalling. Wouldn't recommend the overpriced guff to anyone.

Pootis

have you seen motion 5, Final Cut Pro x?

LeinsterDub

Pootis wrote: »

Title says it all. Trying to prove apple is best, post what makes apple superior from windows to you !

What reasons have you tried so far?

Pootis

I don't think it's untrue. Apple is better and more fluid.

efb

Like moths to a flame they come

Pootis

Also I have tried using the fact apples built in software is so far superior to windows. Textedit compared to notepad even

Pootis

Thanks for your contribution efb

OldMrBrennan83

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Pootis

Heh no I just own a Mac and an iPod I was trapped with an ol windows laptop before though. Just wanna show apples is better

efb

Pootis wrote: »

Thanks for your contribution efb

I meant the anti-apple brigade

My best way- lend them my MacBook for a weekend

Pootis

Ooooohhhh ok. God bless you. Lol windows scrubs

endacl

Disclaimer: Not a fanboy.

I'm replacing my long suffering Dell soon. I'll be going with a macbook. Because it'll work like a computer is supposed to. I'm used to XP. XP worked fine. There's no way, after interactions with windows 8/10, that I'm dealing with send to poxy one note when all I want is ctrl+p, return. Let the cursor wander to the side and your looking at a document but no longer working on it. Tiles and apps? On my laptop? Fcuk right off.

Tl;dr Macs still work like macs. PCs work like ms developers think everybody should want them to work.

SpaceSasqwatch

One word. Linux.Good night.

Pootis

Thanks endacl!

Old Perry

Pootis wrote: »

Heh no I just own a Mac and an iPod I was trapped with an ol windows laptop before though. Just wanna show apples is better

The fact that you have owned both and still have to try prove your point should really tell you something.

Really its a question of personal taste though. If you want to try hard go with apple. If you want
economy and flexibilty go windows ( unless we're talkin phones, windows phones arent fit to jam a door open)

Flaccus

Pootis wrote: »

Title says it all. Trying to prove apple is best, post what makes apple superior from windows to you !

You mean OS-X is superior to Windows. Agreed. But Linux is superior to both of them

Saipanne

Pootis wrote: »

Title says it all. Trying to prove apple is best, post what makes apple superior from windows to you !

Why do you even care?

Pootis

I like your way of describing windows phone, and thank you

endacl

Flaccus wrote: »

You mean OS-X is superior to Windows. Agreed. But Linux is superior to both of them

Y'see? You're coming across as somebody who's 'into computers'. Describe each OS in terms of annoying/not annoying.

Pootis

Flaccus, I have a small weak Linux laptop I use for playing around with codes and stuff, I agree in some ways, it's simple, gets the job done , and doesn't give all the crap a windows, or OS X computer might give you. But I think it still needs more flesh and in the latest version I would never consider using Linux

bee06

I've always used Windows up until my current job. Now I have a Mac. I don't think there's much of a difference really. Except Excel for Mac is a nightmare.

Pootis

I haven't actually had to use excel yet bee

adox

Two threads basically asking the same question one after the other is a little bit desperate really.

sonny.knowles

Much prefer banana.

Flaccus

I also think it depends what eco system you are invested in and what your use case is. I have a mac, iPhone and iPad, so yeah OS-X and iOS play well together. I use all this for photo, video editing, multimedia consumption, and the odd game on the iMac (via bootcamp or sometime native os-x (diablo 3 for example). And I just prefer OS-X over Windows as it's hassle free mostly in terms of malware, virus's etc.. and I do feel the OS runs smoother then Windows. I can't say the same for my windows PC which is now running linux and is dedicated to coding.

So I guess it boils down to what you use the OS for and what you are prepared to put up with in terms of OS 'features'.

gctest50

Pootis wrote: »

have you seen motion 5, Final Cut Pro x?

have you seen MS Paint ?

Pootis

Wow that's incredible, and OS X doesn't even come with a paint / drawing program built in...

Flaccus

Lots of alternatives to final cut pro on windows platforms.

CathalDublin

FortySeven wrote: »

apple stuff is no better than any other and their software is frankly appalling. Wouldn't recommend the overpriced guff to anyone.

Ah come on, I'm only talking laptop wise here, the build quality is far superior to almost any laptop I've seen in a similar price range, by software are you talking OS? because OSX if far superior and 1million times more stable to anything Microsoft have ever released, Have you used Windows 8, 10:eek:

Flaccus

CathalDublin wrote: »

Ah come on, I'm only talking laptop wise here, the build quality is far superior to almost any laptop I've seen in a similar price range, by software are you talking OS? because OSX if far superior and 1million times more stable to anything Microsoft have ever released, Have you used Windows 8, 10:eek:

Apple laptops indeed have excellent fit and finish and build quality but a price. I use one myself every day. However 400-500 euro laptops from HP, Acer, Lenovo etc.. are what are being sold in most PC stores. Manufacturing companies realised 5 years ago mobile tech is becoming disposable and are building these machines to a price point and selling in volume. I worked for one of these companies and while the finish might not be to apple standards, these machines are just as durable and have 80-90% of a macs performance for a fraction of the price. My Acer is still going perfectly after 5 years. Zero stability issues.

Of course, some manufacturers do make premium laptops also, and while not as expensive as a comparable mac, they generally offer better specs when it comes to screen tech, amount of memory, cpu speed etc.. And their build quality is pretty close The new Dell XPS is one example.

Regarding OS-X v Windows. It personnel preference. I had no issues with Windows XP or 7 and ditched Windows 8 for Linux as I simply did not like where MS were going with 8. 10 is a big improvement by all accounts and I might give it a try. OS-X by the way is based on Unix and is now considered a Unix certified product since 10.5.

salamanca22

I am an electronic engineer slash software engineer so know what I am talking about when I say that apple software is the last software I would choose to use.

Now before you start your post about how I am wrong I can tell you that I have used all os's quite extensively up to their latest versions. I have used mac and have played around with their proprietary software none of which really stood out as much as the every day mac user would have you believe, literally every thing I could do in those programs where available to me for cheaper / free on Windows or any distro of Linux.

I use windows every day as my main player, I develop software every day and get my entertainment every day from it. Windows has bluescreened on me twice in the last... 5 years? It has only crashed on me when I made stupid mistakes in my own programs that ate all the memory or some such and I was forced to hard reset. Windows is extremely stable no matter what others would have you believe, they are just doing it wrong or are on old versions of the software.

I use linux for everything else including servers and testbeds. There is not much to say here but it does what you want it to and it's awesome. I have used various distros as my desktop system over the years too. It does most things windows does but I am mostly a .net developer which is best done on windows.

Mac is simple and for the uninitiated it works fine. I think people just want the latest shiny, I mean why else would they pay twice as much for less? Everyone to their own though but the simple fact is it is less superior than both windows and linux in any form. You can say windows is unstable, has a horrible UI/UX til the cows come home but you would only be sharing your own opinion on that, one that is not widely the same.

Simply put, you cannot show your friend that mac is superior, because it is not.

endacl

'Less superior'?

So, superior, but not as superior as folks would have you believe? Yet, superior nonetheless?

Thanks. Gotcha.

salamanca22

endacl wrote: »

'Less superior'?

So, superior, but not as superior as folks would have you believe? Yet, superior nonetheless?

Thanks. Gotcha.

Sure, it is superior to windows 3.1

Semantics :pac:

Flaccus

salamanca22 wrote: »

Mac is simple and for the uninitiated it works fine. I think people just want the latest shiny, I mean why else would they pay twice as much for less? Everyone to their own though but the simple fact is it is less superior than both windows and linux in any form. You can say windows is unstable, has a horrible UI/UX til the cows come home but you would only be sharing your own opinion on that, one that is not widely the same.

Simply put, you cannot show your friend that mac is superior, because it is not.

This doesn't make sense. You just said 'the simple fact is it (os-x) is less superior than both windows and linux' And this is partially based on your experience of not having any bsods in windows. Then you say that the OP can talk about instability of windows but would be sharing his own opinion. Isn't that what you have done. Share your opinion and call it fact ?

Nobody can factually prove one is better than the other as each person has different expectations, experiences and opinions. It is my experience being a software engineer for the past 25 years, that OS-X offers a smoother Ui experience and suits me as I am invested in the Apple eco system. Its my day to day OS I use at home. It also suits me that OS-X is essentially unix and you have as much control over the OS through terminal as you do with any scripting or any api you care to use in a Windows environment. So I feel OS-X isn't just for the 'uninitiated'. Therefore it is my 'opinion' that OS-X is indeed superior to windows as it gives me a better experience and suits my needs better than Windows. But this isn't a fact just an opinion.

salamanca22

Flaccus wrote: »

This doesn't make sense. You just said 'the simple fact is it (os-x) is less superior than both windows and linux' And this is partially based on your experience of not having any bsods in windows. Then you say that the OP can talk about instability of windows but would be sharing his own opinion. Isn't that what you have done. Share your opinion and call it fact ?

Nobody can factually prove one is better than the other as each person has different expectations, experiences and opinions. It is my experience being a software engineer for the past 25 years, that OS-X offers a smoother Ui experience and suits me as I am invested in the Apple eco system. Its my day to day OS I use at home. It also suits me that OS-X is essentially unix and you have as much control over the OS through terminal as you do with any scripting or any api you care to use in a Windows environment. So I feel OS-X isn't just for the 'uninitiated'. Therefore it is my 'opinion' that OS-X is indeed superior to windows as it gives me a better experience and suits my needs better than Windows. But this isn't a fact just an opinion.

It is not opinion that my windows machines have a very very very low track record of failing or crashing, that is fact. I was offering a rebuttal to the poster who said that windows was unstable when it is quite far from that.

Windows has it's own version of terminal called powershell. I use this quite extensively to create automation scripts in windows. You can control whatever you like from in here.

You're right though, it is just my opinion that both mainstream Linux and Windows are far superior to mac. But that is the popular opinion of both the regular users that I have talked to and the majority of software engineers and programmers that I have worked with.

I maintain a very popular open source program and have done a lot of research into operating systems due to it being wrote in .net and I have been trying to port either to native language or getting mono to work correctly and it's always comes down to either windows or linux being the top choice for any task I need. I simply cannot think of a single thing I would rather do on os-x.