RWC'15 Final Weekend Build Up Thread

Zzippy

We're almost there. Two games left, the consolation prize game on Friday night, followed by the final on Saturday. (Followed by the big game of the weekend, Connacht v Edinburgh in the Pro12 )

All buildup talk to the games in this thread. Swiwi is doing a match thread for the final, which will be posted later in the week. Volunteers welcome to do a match thread for the "bronze final".

I'll kick it off here. Nigel Owens to ref the final, probably the best choice IMO. John Lacey to ref the bronze final!! Paging awec...

efb

Delighted Nigel got it!

Looks like Iona was right! The gays are taking over 😂😂😋

efb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXNhL4J_S00

efb

http://bbc.in/1GmbGpn

BBC1 Wales 10.35 tonight

(See sat forum for tuning on sat)

swiwi_

Of note, the ARU has placed a bet on their side winning (or at least got someone to do so on their behalf). This is to cover the cost of the bonus payouts to Cheika and the lads if Australia win.

Zzippy

swiwi_ wrote: »

Of note, the ARU has placed a bet on their side winning (or at least got someone to do so on their behalf). This is to cover the cost of the bonus payouts to Cheika and the lads if Australia win.

Think this is something many teams do. Paddy Power even have a department dedicated to it. It's basically insurance rather than gambling.

efb

swiwi_ wrote: »

Of note, the ARU has placed a bet on their side winning (or at least got someone to do so on their behalf). This is to cover the cost of the bonus payouts to Cheika and the lads if Australia win.

All teams do this

johnny osbourne

a day out for the all blacks

glad nigel is reffing so there can be no complaints aboot the result

shrapnel222

no one finds it weird that both the assistant referees are from NZ?? :eek:

Not true-my bad

aimee1

shrapnel222 wrote: »

no one finds it weird that both the assistant referees are from NZ?? :eek:

for the playoff


garces and barnes are assistants to owens for the final

johnny osbourne

aimee1 wrote: »

for the playoff


garces and barnes are assistants to owens for the final

doubt mr owens will be listening to him

shrapnel222

aimee1 wrote: »

for the playoff


garces and barnes are assistants to owens for the final

oops, missed the bronze final part for some reason. carry on so!!:o

vienne86

When Nigel didn't get a semi gig it seemed obvious he would get the final - great choice.

thomond2006

The backrow battle will be something else. Richie McCaw, the all time great openside, in his last game for New Zealand against Pocock and Hooper. Kieran Read has had a quiet tournament by his standards but we all know his potential when he appears in the wide channels. Fascinating!

Gamb!t

Two best teams in the tournament,should be a great final.

captbarnacles

This might sound crazy but with a better scrum and a superb lineout should the all blacks try and keep the game tight?

thebaz

no dountt the 2 best teams , BUT I feel really blaahh towards the final - if Argentina had reached the final , or Wales , Soctland (or us) - but someone different , something new - this WC started off so brilliantly with Japan , and in the end it is the old predictables - hopefully in Japan '19 something new will happen - its been all so predictable since the quarters.

nehe milner skudder

thebaz wrote: »

no dountt the 2 best teams , BUT I feel really blaahh towards the final - if Argentina had reached the final , or Wales , Soctland (or us) - but someone different , something new - this WC started off so brilliantly with Japan , and in the end it is the old predictables - hopefully in Japan '19 something new will happen - its been all so predictable since the quarters.

japans poached players were not quite good enough. they should have a few more by 2019.

Zzippy

The irony of denigrating a country for having foreign-born players, when your own country does the same, and pretty much every country in the WC does too. Unless you're Argentinean, of course.

People in glasshouses etc......

Kiwi_knock

Cheika seems confident that Sio will be fit for Saturday, would be a big plus. Pocock, Folau, and Giteau are all good as well, plus Rob Horne should be available so Cheika should have his full 31 to choose from.

Bridge93

captbarnacles wrote: »

This might sound crazy but with a better scrum and a superb lineout should the all blacks try and keep the game tight?

Do New Zealand have a better scrum? They were battered on Saturday and if Scott Sio is fit I would back the Aussies in that department.
Lineout is NZ for sure
Backrow is fascinating but I'll go with Australia
Halfbacks are NZ comfortably
Centres I'll say even
Back 3 NZ marginally

Will be a great game

duckysauce

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

japans poached players were not quite good enough. they should have a few more by 2019.

what players did they poach ?

duckysauce

thebaz wrote: »

no dountt the 2 best teams , BUT I feel really blaahh towards the final - if Argentina had reached the final , or Wales , Soctland (or us) - but someone different , something new - this WC started off so brilliantly with Japan , and in the end it is the old predictables - hopefully in Japan '19 something new will happen - its been all so predictable since the quarters.

Best WC ever IMO two standout teams are there saying Scotland should be there is nuts

thebaz

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

japans poached players were not quite good enough. they should have a few more by 2019.

and no one else is poaching - shame really

thebaz

duckysauce wrote: »

Best WC ever IMO two standout teams are there saying Scotland should be there is nuts

didn't say that - said I would prefer NZ/Scotland (or Wales /Ireland / Argentina


...something different, the final stages are too predictable for me

RedemptionZ

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

japans poached players were not quite good enough. they should have a few more by 2019.

I'll bite, who did they poach and from who?

Australia to win. I hope. South Africa to finish third.

duckysauce

thebaz wrote: »

didn't say that - said I would prefer NZ/Scotland (or Wales /Ireland / Argentina


...something different, the final stages are too predictable for me

cool misread

RedemptionZ

thebaz wrote: »

didn't say that - said I would prefer NZ/Scotland (or Wales /Ireland / Argentina


...something different, the final stages are too predictable for me

Perhaps at the highest level not much has changed (although did we really expect Argentina?), but the gap between the top tier 2 nations and tier 1 has dramatically narrowed over the last 3 world cups. This is extremely healthy and seriously needed for rugby. Only a matter of time before other viable competitors appear.

I also think this World Cup will finally give France and England the kick up the arse they need. Forget the whole SH/NH debate, if Gatland or Schmidt had a few years coaching they could have fairly realistically made the semis. They'll still underachieve due to their demanding domestic leagues, but if they select the best players available and become well drilled by a good coaching staff they should always be thereabouts, like South Africa.

For me anyway it's been a class World Cup, where expansive running rugby has persevered. Obviously the final has my priority, but as a contest I'm more interested in Argentina and South Africa. Though I don't know how motivated teams get for a third place medal.

lunarhog

it would be good for the game for Australia to win to keep the all blacks from soaring even farther ahead of everyone else.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

If I had tickets for the final I'd make a massive Nigel banner to wave about. At least the Northern Hemisphere has some representation.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

lunarhog wrote: »

it would be good for the game for Australia to win to keep the all blacks from soaring even farther ahead of everyone else.

With all the retirements after this World Cup I'm not sure it would really mean anything long term for the All Blacks. It would be good for rugby in Australia if they won. It's fallen way down the ranks of popularity over there, I didn't even realise they hadn't made a final since the 2003 one.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Interesting piece from Murray Kinsella. With all the talk of how NZ will be losing so many leaders after this WC it's interesting to note the media team are pushing all the new boys into the limelight this week.

http://www.the42.ie/new-zealand-smith-milner-skudder-retallick-2410837-Oct2015/?utm_source=shortlink

efb

efb wrote: »

http://bbc.in/1GmbGpn

BBC1 Wales 10.35 tonight

(See sat forum for tuning on sat)

It was excellent

shrapnel222

thebaz wrote: »

no dountt the 2 best teams , BUT I feel really blaahh towards the final - if Argentina had reached the final , or Wales , Soctland (or us) - but someone different , something new - this WC started off so brilliantly with Japan , and in the end it is the old predictables - hopefully in Japan '19 something new will happen - its been all so predictable since the quarters.

Funnily enough, there has never been an Aus-NZ final, and any other final
(ie arg, sco, etc) would've been so one sided, it wouldn't have been as good. At least this way you just know it's going to be close!

nehe milner skudder

Zzippy wrote: »

The irony of denigrating a country for having foreign-born players, when your own country does the same, and pretty much every country in the WC does too. Unless you're Argentinean, of course.

People in glasshouses etc......

Don't see any denigration in my post?

Zzippy

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

Don't see any denigration in my post?

Why refer to foreign-born players as poached then? You need to consider your use of language, because it definitely comes across as denigrating to Japan.

nehe milner skudder

thebaz wrote: »

and no one else is poaching - shame really

It's scandalous world wide

nehe milner skudder

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Interesting piece from Murray Kinsella. With all the talk of how NZ will be losing so many leaders after this WC it's interesting to note the media team are pushing all the new boys into the limelight this week.

http://www.the42.ie/new-zealand-smith-milner-skudder-retallick-2410837-Oct2015/?utm_source=shortlink

I always find it funny how journos are surprised at the rise of Milner skudder et al.
They don't watch enough rugby south of the equator and the first time they see these players is when they pitch up on tv3. It's myopic.

The RTE boys were the same.


Jeremy Kaino the other day.........I despair.

subfreq

I hope South Africa take the shackles of this Friday. Should be an easy team talk for Heyneke, just send out the young generation and tell them this is game one towards winning the cup in four years. Channel the pain into this game and put it to bed.

Will be a cracker if both teams go at it.

NZ - Aus has the hallmarks of being one for the ages. I still think NZ have a little bit extra in the attacking sense in the back three if half chances are created, and this game is likely to come down to which team converts a half chance. Aus will settle there scrum and look to dominate but NZ have just destroyed two great Line out nations in France and South Africa so set piece dominance looks split.

As a Wallaby fan I am delighted that we have a battle hard team that will front up but go into the game giving NZ a 7-10 point advantage. The boys in Gold will need to do something very special to take it.

nehe milner skudder

subfreq wrote: »

I hope South Africa take the shackles of this Friday. Should be an easy team talk for Heyneke, just send out the young generation and tell them this is game one towards winning the cup in four years. Channel the pain into this game and put it to bed.

Will be a cracker if both teams go at it.

NZ - Aus has the hallmarks of being one for the ages. I still think NZ have a little bit extra in the attacking sense in the back three if half chances are created, and this game is likely to come down to which team converts a half chance. Aus will settle there scrum and look to dominate but NZ have just destroyed two great Line out nations in France and South Africa so set piece dominance looks split.

As a Wallaby fan I am delighted that we have a battle hard team that will front up but go into the game giving NZ a 7-10 point advantage. The boys in Gold will need to do something very special to take it.

All I hope is one way or the other , regardless of who wins, we are not talking about the ref.
I want it won fair and square.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

I always find it funny how journos are surprised at the rise of Milner skudder et al.
They don't watch enough rugby south of the equator and the first time they see these players is when they pitch up on tv3. It's myopic.

The RTE boys were the same.


Jeremy Kaino the other day.........I despair.

To be fair NMS has only appeared on the Super Rugby scene this season. Unless they were watching the ITM Cup, and I doubt journos in NZ are watching the UBL here, how could they have known about him.

Murray Kinsella has a fairly good knowledge of players from Super Rugby and even before they're signed to SR teams so they're not all useless.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

subfreq wrote: »

I hope South Africa take the shackles of this Friday. Should be an easy team talk for Heyneke, just send out the young generation and tell them this is game one towards winning the cup in four years. Channel the pain into this game and put it to bed.

Will be a cracker if both teams go at it.

It'll be interesting to see if South Africa do go at it. Will they play a different team, give the fringe players one last run out at this WC or will they send out all the old boys who are retiring. The result is pretty irrelevant, really, so it'd be fun to see them both play BaaBaas style

Kiwi_knock

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

I always find it funny how journos are surprised at the rise of Milner skudder et al.
They don't watch enough rugby south of the equator and the first time they see these players is when they pitch up on tv3. It's myopic.

The RTE boys were the same.


Jeremy Kaino the other day.........I despair.

To be fair it is NMS first year in Super Rugby and International Rugby so it is understandable that a lot of journalists will not have heard of him. It certainly is not comparable to how TV3 reacted to the Savea hat-trick against France, saying that is was his arrival on the international stage. Now that was bad punditry.

sydthebeat

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see if South Africa do go at it. Will they play a different team, give the fringe players one last run out at this WC or will they send out all the old boys who are retiring. The result is pretty irrelevant, really, so it'd be fun to see them both play BaaBaas style

argentina beat south africa off the park only 3 months ago

Meyer will put out as strong as side as he can, and they wont need any other encouragement than that.

im expecting a high scoring open game here.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

To be fair it is NMS first year in Super Rugby and International Rugby so it is understandable that a lot of journalists will not have heard of him. It certainly is not comparable to how TV3 reacted to the Savea hat-trick against France, saying that is was his arrival on the international stage. Now that was bad punditry.

TV3 commentators struggle with the Irish players never mind the foreign ones.

pickarooney

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

To be fair it is NMS first year in Super Rugby and International Rugby so it is understandable that a lot of journalists will not have heard of him. It certainly is not comparable to how TV3 reacted to the Savea hat-trick against France, saying that is was his arrival on the international stage. Now that was bad punditry.

Good lord, are they not embarrassed with some of the stuff they come out with? If it takes 38 tries to arrive on the international scene Tommy Bowe will be a while waiting.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Pocock's looking rough...

efb

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Pocock's looking rough...

Still would 😝

subfreq

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

Jeremy Kaino the other day.........I despair.

That actually made me laugh out loud when he said it in commentary, but when he then said Matlock my brain locked up like I suddenly didn't actually know the names of the players and had slipped into a parallel universe.

pickarooney

It's cause he's a lock. And really old. If it were deliberate it would be funny but I kind of doubt it.

Shurimgreat

And the NZ lock is called Whitelock. So maybe confused the two. Its hard to mistake Matfield however, he's iconic in the sport.

Is there any plans to start a "team of the world cup" thread by the way?