WHO: bacon is 'as big a cancer threat as smoking'

donegaLroad

The whole article here (Telegraph)

Following reports that the WHO is expected to publish a report listing processed meat as a cancer-causing substance, experts have criticised suggestions that bacon and sausgages could be as dangerous as smoking.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) will publish a report on Monday on the dangers of eating processed meats.
It is expected to list processed meat as a cancer-causing substance, while fresh red meat is also expected to be regarded as bad for health, the Daily Mail said.
The classifications, by the WHO's International Agency for Research on Cancer, are believed to regard processed meat as "carcinogenic to humans", the highest of five possible rankings, shared with alcohol, asbestos, arsenic and cigarettes.

cancer rates world map

Islamic population of the world



*with the exception of Mexico, there seems to be a lot of similarity in both maps.. I wonder is it anything to do with the absence of pork in Islamic nation's diets? Im sure there must be a correlation.


So long as there is chicken, turkey and fish available, I wouldn't miss red meat.. I might even go vegetarian for a while.

toptom

They probably don't have cancer treatment in the muslim countries, But its only more **** talk from the health sure who do you know ever died from eating meat.

fergiesfolly

toptom wrote: »

They probably don't have cancer treatment in the muslim countries, But its only more **** talk from the health sure who do you know ever died from eating meat.

Insert ex-girlfriend joke here

dodderangler

toptom wrote: »

They probably don't have cancer treatment in the muslim countries, But its only more **** talk from the health sure who do you know ever died from eating meat.

Believe it or not there's probably 100s of people who die every year by choking on a piece of steak or something.

Harry Palmr

It's been known for some years that processed meat (esp sausages) are fundamentally bad for you. Michael Mosley did a programme on meat last year on the BBC which was a bit of an eye-opener when it came to this sort of thing. Not that it stops me of course (or him)

Professor Walter Willett, of the Harvard School of Public Health, heads a team that have been tracking the diets of tens of thousands of people for many years.

"We found that those who consumed higher amounts of red meat had a higher risk of total mortality, cardiovascular mortality and cancer mortality," he told me in the Harvard cafeteria, while I nonchalantly ate a large steak.

On the basis of one of the studies he co-authored - Red Meat Consumption and Mortality, published in Archives of Internal Medicine - he estimates regularly eating a small amount of unprocessed red meat (85g, around 3oz) is associated with a 13% increased risk of mortality, while eating a similar amount of processed red meat (a hot dog or two slices of bacon) is associated with a 20% increased risk.

KKkitty

Being alive just elevates your risk of getting cancer. This is meant to increase your chances of getting it, that is cancer busting. They can seriously do all the research about foods that they want but they can't research every individual on the planet. Different things like genetics and lifestyle could enhance your risk of getting cancer. I'd take what they say with a pinch of salt and have it on my bacon.

Buona Fortuna

Whatever the truth - and I have serious doubts - not great news for our beef and lamb industry/exports:(

fergiesfolly

dodderangler wrote: »

Believe it or not there's probably 100s of people who die every year by choking on a piece of steak or something.

Wasn't the type of ex-girlfriend joke I was thinking of.

Birneybau

Lost faith with Daltrey and Townsend when Moon died.

donegaLroad

Birneybau wrote: »

Lost faith with Daltrey and Townsend when Moon died.

Moon was a friend of Oliver Reid, surprise surprise..

Andre 3000

Highly processed poor cuts of meat laced with God knows what to make it taste good is extremely bad for you...Big shock there :rolleyes:

Zaph

bacon is 'as big a cancer threat as smoking

I'm willing to take the chance.

Fleawuss

Do smokey bacon crisps count? Maybe listening to smokey? Living next door to Alice is carcinogenic?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Is there anything that doesn't give you cancer these days?

KKkitty

Can we watch movies with Kevin Bacon or will they give us cancer too.

osarusan

What about smoky bacon?

Smoke, bacon, carbs, fat, sal..........................dead already.

gctest50

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Whatever the truth - and I have serious doubts - not great news for our beef and lamb industry/exports:(

give it a few days and someone will dig up the Crohns disease / milk links again


http://i.imgur.com/6n8HnA5.png

http://i.imgur.com/CFWRTnZ.png

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12901893

Fleawuss

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Is there anything that doesn't give you cancer these days?

Cancer

Sheep Lover

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Is there anything that doesn't give you cancer these days?

A blast of chemo?

Sunnyisland

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Is there anything that doesn't give you cancer these days?

Smartphones, cause there smart.

BlaasForRafa

donegaLroad wrote: »

*with the exception of Mexico, there seems to be a lot of similarity in both maps.. I wonder is it anything to do with the absence of pork in Islamic nation's diets? Im sure there must be a correlation.

Death from car-bombs and other terrorist acts are probably far higher in islamic countries than in pork-eating countries. Not eating bacon causes terrorism.

donegaLroad wrote: »

So long as there is chicken, turkey and fish available, I wouldn't miss red meat.. I might even go vegetarian for a while.

It's your loss, I just had a bacon sangwidge and it was f***in delicious!

eqwjewoiujqorj

Anyone tried Turkey Bacon?

I've seen them in Dunnes but never tried them.

They also have Turkey sausages as well.

http://www.ballyfree.ie/range_rash2.html

6 calories per slice, that can't be right ?

EoghanIRL

So I should start smoking bacon?

donegaLroad

EoghanIRL wrote: »

So I should start smoking bacon?

Im sure you could.. if you mean starting a smokery as a business.

It would be a great idea for a start-up business if it was properly researched....

'Healthy Irish Smoked Bacon' smoked over a 100% peat fire....*no carcinogens*


away you go now and make your millions (think of me when you've made it plz)

Paramite Pie

They eat a lot of Lamb in Muslim countries as far as I know -- that's a red meat.

Also being at the centre of the Old World probably meant a lot of dna converged there bringing diversity and eradicating many genetic conditions.

In the New World, Mexico is in the centre as well, possibly with the same result.

donegaLroad

sugarman wrote: »

They seem to be referring to bacon, as in American streaky bacon. Not Irish bacon / rashers.

Big difference.

Ones processed to bejaysus with god knows what meats, prob the most mechanically separated parts of a pig with added chemicals to create the flavoring and colours.

Where as reashers arent half as bad, at least theyre propper cuts of meat that are just cured / treated /smoked and what have you.

they 'ammonia wash' meat in the USA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSoJzuUgO6c

BOHtox

Who said that!

wil

Sheep Lover wrote: »

A blast of chemo?

Joking aside, unfortunately not, some chemos can lead to secondary cancers, leukemias etc.

EoghanIRL wrote: »

So I should start smoking bacon?

Safer to start baking the smokes.

donegaLroad

Paramite Pie wrote: »

They eat a lot of Lamb in Muslim countries as far as I know -- that's a red meat.

Also being at the centre of the Old World probably meant a lot of dna converged there bringing diversity and eradicating many genetic conditions.

In the New World, Mexico is in the centre as well, possibly with the same result.

yes, I looked into lamb alright.. the WHO report due on Monday lists specifically pork (processed) as being a leading cause of cancer.

mzungu

We all die at some stage so if you like your bit of bacon then fire away. Life's too short.

OU812

donegaLroad wrote: »

'Healthy Irish Smoked Bacon' smoked over a 100% peat fire....

I'd say peat smoked bacon would be pretty tasty...

kazamo

Yes processed meats may increase our risk of cancer but based on the average life expantancy map we are still living longer. Maybe if they stated eating bacon they might live longer !!!

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/world-life-expectancy-map

All it proves is that if anyone takes a single set of statistics and uses a world map, it can be used to prove anything.

donegaLroad

kazamo wrote: »

Yes processed meats may increase our risk of cancer but based on the average life expantancy map we are still living longer. Maybe if they stated eating bacon they might live longer !!!

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/world-life-expectancy-map

All it proves is that if anyone takes a single set of statistics and uses a world map, it can be used to prove anything.

hi... I posted 2 world maps in the OP. Dont you think there could be a correlation between the 2 sets of data?

The Randy Riverbeast

While these people may be professionals and know far more about the topic than I ever will, that is just their opinion and I think we should eat more bacon and steak. We're both entitled to our opinions so we'll just have to agree that both possibilities should be considered.

Nichard Dixon

donegaLroad wrote: »

hi... I posted 2 world maps in the OP. Dont you think there could be a correlation between the 2 sets of data?

There could. But the point is well made about life expectancy, many cancers arrive in old age, if you don't live that long you don't get cancer. Something like prostate cancer may have been less common in the past in Ireland because the men concerned had already died of TB.

It might be more interesting to look at different European counties, many of which have their own slightly different processed meats. Some of these processes may increase cancer, some not.

Bongalongherb

What next ? the world health organisation says that breathing in fresh air will cause cancer :eek:.

The amount of drugs they inject into animals as it is is the real worry while folk eat the infected animal. We need to fatten them all up so we can make more profit so we'll inject this and that into them and change their genetics to do so. It's getting to the stage now that everything is so contaminated by man/woman that nothing is healthy any-more.

Look at that amazing sizzling chunk of meat on the barby encapsulated with luscious herbs and delicious spices while holding back the drewl with a napkin, But it will give you cancer so it's better not to eat this delicious smelling food substance, yeah pull the other one, where's the fecking plate, where's the sauce.

When every-thing in the world is contaminated by man/woman then why care ? just enjoy the succulent. Can I please have some more you say ? well of course you can, enjoy.

kazamo

donegaLroad wrote: »

hi... I posted 2 world maps in the OP. Dont you think there could be a correlation between the 2 sets of data?

Yes I did see both maps......however if you put your Muslim countries map alongside my life expantancy map you could reach the conclusion that not eating bacon reduces their life expantancy.

As I said before, if any of us use limited data we can prove whatever we choose. Cancer rates per country is a lot more complex issue than reducing it down to one particular food or a particular religious ethos. If levels of healthcare, smoking rates, salt intake etc were brought into the research, it may not make bacon elimination from our diet as the magic bullet to cure a high proportion of cancer in the western world.

_Whimsical_

Remember a few weeks ago when it was "sugar is as bad as smoking", then there the "sitting is the new smoking" headlines and now it's bacon.

All this has served to do is make me think smoking mustn't be so bad after all and seeing as I'm not giving up sugar or sitting or indeed bacon why am I so anti smoking?

El Weirdo

*makes cigarette sandwich*

johnny osbourne

kevin bacon

Rikand

You don't win friends with salad!

johnny osbourne

fast food is no good,

because it go in to fast and it go out too fast,

Smokey bacon , mmmmm

Nichard Dixon

The thing is that they can probably easily enough amend the nature of meat processing to remove 80% of the risk, not so with smoking.

Bongalongherb

What makes me laugh with most folk is that they have whined for so long to stop people smoking but yet are happy to breath in carbon monoxide - dioxide every day they are out walking or jogging. You'll get your healthy dose of cancer there.

The persons that are having that big sunday roast... open the window and let the succulent aroma spread throughout the planet.

johnny osbourne

me don't want no big mac

me don't want no big mac

GrayFox208

donegaLroad wrote: »

So long as there is chicken, turkey and fish available, I wouldn't miss red meat.. I might even go vegetarian for a while.

so.. You won't eat red meat, and you'll eat chicken turkey and fish.. And call that vegetarian? You'll go far in this life.

Bongalongherb

Human beings are carnivorous so that's life, life is life... Food is food.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGikhmjTSZI

Necro

Budget 2016 will now be introducing a €2 increase on a packet of rashers. It is hoped that by 2020 the price of a packet will be in line with a packet of 20 cigs.

Sunflower 27

How many bacon farmers and their family members have died from cancer? Serious question.

These sorts of reports could cripple the industry. While the majority here can joke, many people will actually stop eating it now.

Tarzana2

It is really stark to see that the wealthiest First World countries have the highest rates of cancer, sometimes three times the rate of the developing world. :eek: