How much should a pack of cigarettes cost in Ireland?

Markcheese

petes wrote: »

I'm a smoker and if I was in a hospital bed due to a smoking illness the tax payer wouldn't be paying for it

And just think how much you'll save the state in pension costs. ;-)
I wouldnt have a problem putting the price up to 12 / 13 euro a pack with the extra 2 or 3 euro going directly to combat smuggling , a change of laws to combat smuggling would help too .

DEFTLEFTHAND

Penny Tration wrote: »

The usual 'filthy habit' comments are out.

It is not a habit. it is an addiction. massive difference.

It's also extremely difficult to quit. I quit and it took about eight attempts before I managed it. Took my sister over ten attempts, boyfriend 7 attempts, dad more than 20 attempts.

It's not easy and it's not a habit.

Well said, I've had too aborted attempts myself, it's a nightmare for somebody like me to come off them as I'm already very highly strung. I become incredibly irritable without them, I could blow my top over a pen falling off my desk.

Weaning off them is working better for me, I now try space out 3 hours between a smoke.

Penny Tration

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Well said, I've had too aborted attempts myself, it's a nightmare for somebody like me to come off them as I'm already very highly strung. I become incredibly irritable without them, I could blow my top over a pen falling off my desk.

Weaning off them is working better for me, I now try space out 3 hours between a smoke.

Takes most people several attempts. I tried weaning but it didn't work well. I got more stressed and ended up going from 20 a day to 40-50 a day, panicking :pac:

Raising the price will deter non-smokers from starting, and social smokers from continuing. For people who are addicted, it'll just help the black market lots.

petes

Markcheese wrote: »

And just think how much you'll save the state in pension costs. ;-)

How do you work that out seeing as you know me so well?

EazyD

Tony EH wrote: »

A tax on fools.

Intelligent people don't care how much they cost.

I suppose by your logic then fat people are stupid too, no?

Tony EH

What?

Everyone has to eat. Nobody has to smoke.

Being overweight can occur through numerous reasons.

Being a smoker, addicted to chemicals that'll seriously fuck you up is a choice.

And a stupid one at that.

EazyD

Tony EH wrote: »

What?

Everyone has to eat. Nobody has to smoke.

Being overweight can occur through numerous reasons.

Being a smoker, addicted to chemicals that'll seriously fuck you up is a choice.

And a stupid one at that.

Being overweight is seldom anything to do with medical problems and just down to poor diet and lifestyle choices. Simple matter of one taking in too many calories while not offsetting it with regular exercise and eating the right foods, that's a choice. A choice that equally places a burden on the health system.

Tony EH

It's a completely different situation though.

But hey, do ya know what, some people are fat because they're stupid and they constantly choose to over eat.

But there are others who get fat, because of body changes too. We slow down and naturally put on weight easier in our older years, without even changing a thing.

Some athletes become seriously overweight, when they are no longer in the game, because their body goes through some very prominent change.

Some people's brains work in a very different way and are never full.

It still doesn't change the fact that, with everything we know about smoking, it is an absolutely MORONIC thing to choose to do to oneself and there's no amount of whataboutery that'll change that.

hatrickpatrick

Whatever the market decides. F*ck the nanny state and its interference "for our own good". If I want to f*ck up my body, it's my body and my choice. Same goes for beer and any other substance which is either restricted or banned.

toptom

They should be banned or priced from about thirty quid upwards to keep them out of reach of people.

wakka12

If you're addicted I don't think the price will deter you, that takes health awareness and self motivation. So really higher prices just make those already addicted to cigarettes poorer and decreases their quality of life further

JacquesSon

I don't smoke in Ireland because it's too much hassle and expensive and cold.

They should ban those E-cigs completely to prevent anyone else enjoying themselves without smoking.

Filmer Paradise

toptom wrote: »

They should be banned or priced from about thirty quid upwards to keep them out of reach of people.

Ballsacks! When I smoked there was no probs getting cut price Cigs from a variety of sources. TBH, I didn't care where they came from really...

Off them 3 years now, thanks to Vaping.:)

Jeez though, the bang of self-righteousness off some posters on here.

Some people just love to latch on to any craze that's going, just to make themselves feel better about their miserable lives.

Filmer Paradise

JacquesSon wrote: »

I don't smoke in Ireland because it's too much hassle and expensive and cold.

They should ban those E-cigs completely to prevent anyone else enjoying themselves without smoking.

Posts like this make me wish there was a 'NO THANKS' button on this site.

anothernight

My boyfriend just buys the large tubs of loose tobacco in Spain. The savings are enough to make a few trips a year and make it a bit of a holiday and visit old friends.

Rolling paper can be ridiculously cheap online too, apparently.

walshyn93

Tony EH wrote: »

With everything we know about smoking, you'd want to be an absolute fucking idiot to start.

Smoking is now a social drug (whether it always has been I couldn't tell you) and it has a lot to do with smoking areas in clubs. Smoking increases alertness, suppresses appetite. Helps you relax. Helps you sober up when drinking (the taste goes very well with a pint incidentally). Allows people to enjoy the lubricating effects of alcohol without the drowsyness and lack of awareness. If you're wondering why smokers seem to start smoking to be "cool" it's actually because the "cool" people generally tend to have hobbies where smoking comes in handy. People starting to smoke today has less to do with Marboro man and more to do with the social scene and nicotine's useful qualities for it.

You confuse intelligence with good decision making. The two aren't necessarily related. Highly "Intelligent" people are more likely than their average counterparts to make all manner of decisions which have long term negative health effects. But they're willing to risk some portion of their life in the future for more guaranteed fun in the present. That's either pretty smart or pretty stupid depending on your own personal preferences.

I also highly doubt the majority of non-smokers don't smoke because of some hard headed pragmatism (http://www.news-medical.net/news/20110630/Non-smoking-women-more-likely-to-be-obese-Study.aspx). More likely the result of being more susceptible than average to advertising. Hardly something to be proud of since in a different generation they would have been an ardent smoker.

However, as drugs go, tobacco is the most amount of harm for the least fun and should be priced accordingly.


Incidentally, what can you really know about smoking if you've never tried it?

kazamo

toptom wrote: »

They should be banned or priced from about thirty quid upwards to keep them out of reach of people.

But if they priced that high the Revenue Commissioners would face a shortfall in revenue. Would you prefer a increase in income tax or vat rates to cover this gap and be happy that future generations will reap the health benefits

fleet_admiral

/Watches thread

/Puffs on Benson

MadDog76

Depends on how much they cost to make ........ cost price plus a decent profit margin for the manufacturers should be the retail price for consumers.

GrayFox208

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

They should be free on the medical card

2.50 they would be. In this economic climate. And what about the cost of living?

GrayFox208

MadDog76 wrote: »

Depends on how much they cost to make ........ cost price plus a decent profit margin for the manufacturers should be the retail price for consumers.

It is though. The rest of the price comes from the tax which is used as a deterrent.. I don't see too many folk being deterred

GrayFox208

JacquesSon wrote: »

I don't smoke in Ireland because it's too much hassle and expensive and cold.

They should ban those E-cigs completely to prevent anyone else enjoying themselves without smoking.

Mate shut up yeah?

Sam Kade

Constant pursing of lips while smoking causes wrinkles, smoke at your peril girls.

MadDog76

GrayFox208 wrote: »

It is though. The rest of the price comes from the tax which is used as a deterrent.. I don't see too many folk being deterred

So it isn't then ............

GrayFox208

MadDog76 wrote: »

So it isn't then ............

Yes,what you're charged by the manufacturer and by the hive men are different

MadDog76

GrayFox208 wrote: »

Yes,what you're charged by the manufacturer and by the hive men are different

Consumers aren't charged by the manufacturer though ......... unfortunately.

Tony EH

walshyn93 wrote: »

Smoking is now a social drug (whether it always has been I couldn't tell you) and it has a lot to do with smoking areas in clubs. Smoking increases alertness, suppresses appetite. Helps you relax. Helps you sober up when drinking (the taste goes very well with a pint incidentally). Allows people to enjoy the lubricating effects of alcohol without the drowsyness and lack of awareness. If you're wondering why smokers seem to start smoking to be "cool" it's actually because the "cool" people generally tend to have hobbies where smoking comes in handy. People starting to smoke today has less to do with Marboro man and more to do with the social scene and nicotine's useful qualities for it.

The above sounds like an ad for Benson and Hedges. :pac: Or simply an addict trying to convince themselves.

None of which negates the fact that 1 in 3 smokers will die because of their addiction. Nor does it negate the fact that you WILL get addicted. Nor does it negate the fact the vast, vast majority of smokers will suffer physically from the their addiction.

People smoking less today is due to the information available to them, which wasn't as prevalent when the Marlboro man was peddling his crap.

I'd also say that price is a factor is young teens not starting too, in this country anyway.

walshyn93 wrote: »

You confuse intelligence with good decision making. The two aren't necessarily related. Highly "Intelligent" people are more likely than their average counterparts to make all manner of decisions which have long term negative health effects. But they're willing to risk some portion of their life in the future for more guaranteed fun in the present. That's either pretty smart or pretty stupid depending on your own personal preferences.

Intelligence informs good decision making and the intelligent decision is not to go near something that will addict you to it, waste an incredible amount of your income, vastly decreases your physical abilities, shortens your lifespan and has a 1 in 3 chance of killing you with multiple diseases.

There is no "smart" involved in starting smoking, no matter how you wish to spin it.

And nearly EVERY smoker I know would love to be able to give up and if they're honest, they'll admit it was stupid to start. But you do what you can to convince yourself.

walshyn93 wrote: »

I also highly doubt the majority of non-smokers don't smoke because of some hard headed pragmatism (http://www.news-medical.net/news/20110630/Non-smoking-women-more-likely-to-be-obese-Study.aspx). More likely the result of being more susceptible than average to advertising. Hardly something to be proud of since in a different generation they would have been an ardent smoker.

Oh please...

walshyn93 wrote: »

Incidentally, what can you really know about smoking if you've never tried it?

I know that jumping off of a cliff 200 metres onto rocks below isn't a great idea too. I don't have to "try" it.

But looking at how my parents were with smoking and other people around me when I was young, it was obvious to me that it was an incredibly dumb thing to pursue.

Thankfully, that obvious nature is becoming more and more strengthened as time goes on.

Wibbs

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

Jeez though, the bang of self-righteousness off some posters on here.

Aye, the catholic guilt anti fun of any nature never really went away in the Irish psyche.

walshyn93

Tony EH wrote: »

The above sounds like an ad for Benson and Hedges. :pac: Or simply an addict trying to convince themselves.

None of which negates the fact that 1 in 3 smokers will die because of their addiction. Nor does it negate the fact that you WILL get addicted. Nor does it negate the fact the vast, vast majority of smokers will suffer physically from the their addiction.

People smoking less today is due to the information available to them, which wasn't as prevalent when the Marlboro man was peddling his crap.

I'd also say that price is a factor is young teens not starting too, in this country anyway.



Intelligence informs good decision making and the intelligent decision is not to go near something that will addict you to it, waste an incredible amount of your income, vastly decreases your physical abilities, shortens your lifespan and has a 1 in 3 chance of killing you with multiple diseases.

There is no "smart" involved in starting smoking, no matter how you wish to spin it.

And nearly EVERY smoker I know would love to be able to give up and if they're honest, they'll admit it was stupid to start. But you do what you can to convince yourself.



Oh please...



I know that jumping off of a cliff 200 metres onto rocks below isn't a great idea too. I don't have to "try" it.

But looking at how my parents were with smoking and other people around me when I was young, it was obvious to me that it was an incredibly dumb thing to pursue.

Thankfully, that obvious nature is becoming more and more strengthened as time goes on.

Judgemental, self righteous, prudish.

I never said I smoked, I just gave an outline of some of the reasons people do for those who don't to better understand. But you don't want to understand you'd rather stand on an imaginary pedastal and look down on people. Fair enough.

Tony EH

walshyn93 wrote: »

Judgemental, self righteous, prudish.

I never said I smoked, I just gave an outline of some of the reasons people do for those who don't to better understand. But you don't want to understand you'd rather stand on an imaginary pedastal and look down on people. Fair enough.

I never said you did.

I said your post sounds like an addict trying to convince themselves of something, or worse and ad for Benson and Hedges.

If you wish to look at the points raised as "Judgemental, self righteous, prudish", that's your own problem I'm afraid.

Smoking remains an incredibly stupid thing to do to oneself, regardless of any of the excuses you've made and what's more the vast, vast majority of smokers would actually agree.