24 yo Pax dies on AerLingus from Lisbon

my friend

Extreme incident, medical tragedy or pellets bursting?

the_syco

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/19/man-24-dies-on-board-dublin-bound-aer-lingus-flight

Plane from Lisbon diverted to Cork after passenger reportedly became agitated, bit another man, and was then restrained

Seems the bite happened whilst the pax was having a seizure.

Nichard Dixon

olive20 wrote: »

Very Sad, Restrained while having a seizure..........................manslaughter

If he assaulted another passenger then he should have been restrained. A plane is a restricted environment, you cannot flee.

vektarman

I think we're speculating, the full facts haven't been established yet.

anewme

Must have been very frightening for All on board.

anewme

Should be ashamed of the manslaughter comments.

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The crew had been in contact with controllers at the Irish Aviation Authority’s North Atlantic Communications Service centre at Ballygirreen before landing at Cork airport at around 5.40pm.

The pilot informed controllers of the situation on board and requested clearance to divert and land at the airport after the man started to become “extremely violent”.

He told controllers that there was a passenger “running amok” and that he had “injured one or two passengers”.

olive20

olive20 wrote: »

Very Sad, Restrained while having a seizure..........................manslaughter

Sorry, where did you get SEIZURE from ? Because you have made a VERY serious allegation !

amdublin

olive20 wrote: »

Very Sad, Restrained while having a seizure..........................manslaughter

Media are reporting a seizure. But they are also mentioning this was after a pax became adjitated.

Why in God's name would they "restrain" someone who was having a seizure ffs. They are trained in first aid which advocates give the person space and remove harmful objects. Difficult in a small confined space of an airplane seat.

To my mind it sounds that the passenger was acting up - adjitated - and had to be restrained and then had the seizure.

RIP to the young man.

ImDave

The Journal, whilst not confirming any link to this case, are reporting a woman was arrested in relation to drug offences at Cork Airport last night.

They also report a doctor and nurse on board assisted the passenger who passed away.

uck51js9zml2yt

amdublin wrote: »

Media are reporting a seizure. But they are also mentioning this was after a pax became adjitated.

Why in God's name would they "restrain" someone who was having a seizure ffs. They are trained in first aid which advocates give the person space and remove harmful objects. Difficult in a small confined space of an airplane seat.

To my mind it sounds that the passenger was acting up - adjitated - and had to be restrained and then had the seizure.

RIP to the young man.

If reports are true, I would assume he was restrained due to the limited space available band the further potential risk to him and others.

Sam Kade

What's a pax?

uck51js9zml2yt

Sam Kade wrote: »

What's a pax?

Person. Its airline speak. They can't pronounce the full word

crazygeryy

Sam Kade wrote: »

What's a pax?

Its an insensitive thread title.



It's airport speak for passenger.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote:

Because you have made a VERY serious allegation

I think that "serious allegations" are hard to make on social media

Penny Tration

Sam Kade wrote: »

What's a pax?

Passenger

eatmyshorts

amdublin wrote: »

Media are reporting a seizure. But they are also mentioning this was after a pax became adjitated.

Why in God's name would they "restrain" someone who was having a seizure ffs. They are trained in first aid which advocates give the person space and remove harmful objects. Difficult in a small confined space of an airplane seat.

To my mind it sounds that the passenger was acting up - adjitated - and had to be restrained and then had the seizure.

RIP to the young man.

Agitated.

ProfessorPlum

olive20 wrote: »

Very Sad, Restrained while having a seizure..........................manslaughter

Well done you! Because that's by far the most likely senario here :rolleyes:

I feel very sorry for the passengers on that flight - and more so for the crew. It must be lovely waking up this morning after all they've been through last night and seeing that kind of sh1t spouted by people who should know better, but obviously are pretty clueless.

eatmyshorts

olive20 wrote: »

Very Sad, Restrained while having a seizure..........................manslaughter

Wrong.

Excerpt on the Tokyo Convention:
____________________________
The Tokyo Convention also vested authority in the Pilot in Command (PIC). Article 10 of the Tokyo Convention is of specific interest to crew members because it grants them immunity from subsequent legal proceedings for actions taken against a perpetrator: “For actions taken in accordance with this Convention, neither the aircraft commander, any other member of the crew, any passenger, the owner or the operator of the aircraft, nor the person on whose behalf the flight was performed shall be held responsible in any proceeding on account of the treatment undergone by the person against whom the actions were taken.”
__________________________

Basically, any crew member or person following a lawful and reasonable order from the Pilot In Command, is granted immunity from prosecution for anything arising from that order.

L1011

murraychrisg wrote: »

I think that "serious allegations" are hard to make on social media

Courts over here do not agree.

homerjay2005

Very strange, wonder was the woman who was arrested any connection to your man?

Could also be a woman has been interviewed and they found something else?

munchkin_utd

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Very strange, wonder was the woman who was arrested any connection to your man?

Could also be a woman has been interviewed and they found something else?

very possible seeing as everyone was interviewd off that plane, so if she was off her rocker then they would have gone on to check her on suspicion of maybe having more drugs on her.

punisher5112

Is it quite possible that the man had taken something he shouldn't have or even more worrying may have being a drug mule.

Drug pellets may have burst internally.

The woman travelling with him was found to be carrying 2K of a powdery substance in her possession. It has been sent for analysis. According to a report on RTE this morning.

NIMAN

Sounds like he, and the arrested party, we're smuggling drugs. She has been arrested, drugs found.

Listening to reports of how he died, it sounds like something he swallowed burst. Sad way to go.

Call me Al

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Very strange, wonder was the woman who was arrested any connection to your man?

Could also be a woman has been interviewed and they found something else?

It was just reported on Sean O'Rourke that the lady herself said she knew the man who had died.

LXFlyer

RTE News are reporting the following:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1019/735776-aer-lingus-death/

A Portuguese woman has been arrested after a 24-year-old man died on an Aer Lingus flight from Lisbon to Dublin.

She is thought to have been accompanying the man who died.

The woman, who is in her 40s, was detained at Cork Airport at 11pm last night under the Drug Trafficking Act.

Luggage was examined and a substance was discovered in the bags of the woman who was arrested. The substance has yet to be analysed.

my friend

crazygeryy wrote: »

Its an insensitive thread title.



It's airport speak for passenger.

Insensitive ? Are you outraged? Why don't hit Twitter and shame me?

my friend

olive20 wrote: »

Very Sad, Restrained while having a seizure..........................manslaughter

Are you so naive? Really?

flazio

It all seems to point towards a failed drug smuggling.

duskyjoe

The manslaughter comment at the start of the thread is a despicable thing to say.

He wanted to use the toilet, but the refreshments trolley was in his way. Poor Devil probably knew what was after happening. One man interviewed on a Cork Radio station painted an awful picture of the mans final minutes..
No matter the rights and wrongs of drug smuggling, it was an awful way to go. R.I.P.

bren2002

Genuine question. I saw a map on the journal that suggests the divert happened over Portugal. Why would the flight continue so far to Cork instead of diverting to Porto or Northern Spain?
If it was a medical matter surely the closest airport is where you go?

ImDave

bren2002 wrote: »

Genuine question. I saw a map on the journal that suggests the divert happened over Portugal. Why would the flight continue so far to Cork instead of diverting to Porto or Northern Spain?
If it was a medical matter surely the closest airport is where you go?

That's just going from FlightRadar24 tracking or whatever, which shows the path as a direct track from the departure airport to the destination.

If you look at the flight path of the outbound leg (DUB-LIS) yesterday (on the right) it was almost the exact same:



Daily Fail has a video "Watch the moment when flight diverts from its destination", making it look like they diverted over the Portuguese coast.

joeysoap

bren2002 wrote: »

Genuine question. I saw a map on the journal that suggests the divert happened over Portugal. Why would the flight continue so far to Cork instead of diverting to Porto or Northern Spain?
If it was a medical matter surely the closest airport is where you go?

Reports I read stated he became agitated one hour into the two hour flight so I would guess well north of Porto after an hour. I also read a report saying the crew were excellent and kept every calm on the flight. Sad end to a young life.

joeysoap

ImDave wrote: »

That's just going from FlightRadar24 tracking or whatever, which shows the path as a direct track from the departure airport to the destination.

If you look at the flight path of the outbound leg (DUB-LIS) yesterday (on the right) it was almost the exact same:



Daily Fail has a video "Watch the moment when flight diverts from its destination", making it look like they diverted over the Portuguese coast.

Aer Lingus quite often come in over Cork from Portugal (I have also been on EasyJet from Belfast to Faro which departed out over Cork - sometimes over Wexford, sometimes over UK and sometimes over Cork)

Growler!!!

Mr.S wrote: »

Bit of a grim question, but what do they do with the body while they are still on board?

I mean, i'm going to assume the flight was relatively full and there would be people close by.

Technically it's not a body until a doctor pronounces them deceased.

January

Growler!!! wrote: »

Technically it's not a body until a doctor pronounces them deceased.

A doctor did pronounce him dead on board.

flanzer

I remember coming back from Faro about 25 years ago and a man dropped dead on board in his seat. They put a blanket over him and rested him sitting against the window

SeanBan86

Mr.S wrote: »

Bit of a grim question, but what do they do with the body while they are still on board?

I mean, i'm going to assume the flight was relatively full and there would be people close by.

I don't know, that's a tough one.

Well considering that there is very limited space on board for storage and the fact that everyone and everything needs to be firmly secured for landing, my guess would be that they might put him back in his seat and strap him in. Alternatively they might lock the body into the toilet for the remainder of the flight?

anewme

Deleted User wrote: »

He wanted to use the toilet, but the refreshments trolley was in his way. Poor Devil probably knew what was after happening. One man interviewed on a Cork Radio station painted an awful picture of the mans final minutes..
No matter the rights and wrongs of drug smuggling, it was an awful way to go. R.I.P.

It's a bit of a tough one allright. But if the drugs made their way to their destination, and onto the streets someone else's lives and family would be torn apart.

If anything the best we can hope for is that it sends out a message to deter people from drug smuggling.

uck51js9zml2yt

anewme wrote: »

It's a bit of a tough one allright. But if the drugs made their way to their destination, and onto the streets someone else's lives and family would be torn apart.

If anything the best we can hope for is that it sends out a message to deter people from drug smuggling.

These things don't deter people in fortunately.

homerjay2005

anybody else getting annoyed about this "man bites passenger and dies" story that the media are painting?

they have given the impression that this is why he died and of course then 1000s of people are lapping it up.

the man turned it, then violent and was restrained in which his only way to act was to bit somebody, his death was already close before he starting becoming violent and then bit the man.

Polo_Mint

This is from the BBC website

Then there’s the issue of how flight attendants handle the body of someone who has passed away. Sometimes flight attendants strap the person back into his or her seat, which is often the safest option for nearby passengers. Putting a body in a lavatory or in the aisle would be a violation of safety regulations. And there may not be a row with enough free seats to lay the body across

SeanBan86

The poor guy. He must have been delerious in the minutes immediately preceding his death. From the violent convulsions, can we draw any conclusions as to which substances he was carrying in him when the condoms opened? Would this be typical of cocaine?

Somebody commented that he was aiming for the toilet when he took bad. Personally, if I was about to die of a burst condom of drugs that I needed rid of I wouldn't be too concerned about having the necessary mod cons to hand.
Anyway I don't think excreting the burst package would be of any benefit. As soon as he started to exhibit symptoms of the drugs, his fate would have been sealed. Poor chap, what a terrifying and undignified way to end one's life.

Out of curiosity, is there a listen back or podcast of the the radio show with the fella giving an account of the man's final minutes?

Polo_Mint

You can here the Audio from the pilot here.

I wouldnt read the story

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/aer-lingus-biting-death-woman-6659122

SeanBan86

SeanBan86 wrote: »

Out of curiosity, is there a listen back or podcast of the the radio show with the fella giving an account of the man's final minutes?

I think it was on Today with Sean O'Rourke RTE1.

AGC

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/witness-recounts-death-of-man-on-board-aer-lingus-flight-1.2397464

toptom

Bloody drugs again. No sympathy for him, He died a criminal.

Aerohead

Polo_Mint wrote: »

You can here the Audio from the pilot here.

I wouldnt read the story

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/aer-lingus-biting-death-woman-6659122

The people giving out these recordings to the newspapers are going to ruin our hobby the same with giving flight radar24 details.

LXFlyer

Aerohead wrote: »

The people giving out these recordings to the newspapers are going to ruin our hobby the same with giving flight radar24 details.

Believe it or not most journalists would be familiar with Google and could find the sites themselves, as could the regulatory authorities.

As to ruining a hobby - there is a bigger picture here. A man has died. I think an element of perspective is needed, whatever the circumstances of his death.

Storm 10

lxflyer wrote: »

Believe it or not most journalists would be familiar with Google and could find the sites themselves, as could the regulatory authorities.

As to ruining a hobby - there is a bigger picture here. A man has died. I think an element of perspective is needed, whatever the circumstances of his death.

Just because someone died does not mean you should hand over cockpit recordings to the media. What has the fact he died got to do with the recording.