130BHP to 200BHP (Skoda Superb)

michael0connor

Hello everyone, im new to these post so bare with me..

I have a 06 Skoda Superb 1.9tdi 130BHP

I am wondering how to safely bring it up to about 200bhp without blowing the engine clutch or turbo out on the road behind me!

How would i go about this and how much would it cost roughly?

colm_mcm

I'm not an expert, but I don't think your 130 standard clutch, turbo or intercooler will be up to the job. Standard injectors might do.
Maybe if you were looking at 160-170, but 200 is a serious jump. Have you just pulled 200 out of the sky?

colm_mcm

You had an 07 superb 110 tdi the last time, what's the story there?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=95188811

thierry14

michael0connor wrote: »

Hello everyone, im new to these post so bare with me..

I have a 06 Skoda Superb 1.9tdi 130BHP

I am wondering how to safely bring it up to about 200bhp without blowing the engine clutch or turbo out on the road behind me!

How would i go about this and how much would it cost roughly?

You will need to spend a bit to get 200bhp

Hybrid turbo, uprated clutch, pd160 filters etc

Google hybrid Fabia Vrs

Some of them with over 230bhp

In a car the size of a Fabia I can see why they would do it, it would be pretty quick with anything near 200bhp.

In a Superb I don't see the point, even with all that money spent it would only be mildly quick at 200bhp

Better off just getting a 3.0tdi

michael0connor

colm_mcm wrote: »

You had an 07 superb 110 tdi the last time, what's the story there?


Remapped it to 140 and had no trouble, sold sold it off but baught back another superb

michael0connor

colm_mcm wrote: »

I'm not an expert, but I don't think your 130 standard clutch, turbo or intercooler will be up to the job. Standard injectors might do.
Maybe if you were looking at 160-170, but 200 is a serious jump. Have you just pulled 200 out of the sky?

A lot of people i know remap there passats to 170bhp so basically 200bhp would be the big brother to them

michael0connor

thierry14 wrote: »

You will need to spend a bit to get 200bhp

Hybrid turbo, uprated clutch, pd160 filters etc

Google hybrid Fabia Vrs

Some of them with over 230bhp

In a car the size of a Fabia I can see why they would do it, it would be pretty quick with anything near 200bhp.

In a Superb I don't see the point, even with all that money spent it would only be mildly quick at 200bhp

Better off just getting a 3.0tdi

Id love a 3.0tdi but im 17, insurance now is ridiculous nevermind a bigger engine.. what else would i need other than the turbo clutch and filters?

Drummerboy08

Uprated turbo, intercooler, boost pipes, clutch and flywheel, and a few other odds and ends plus a custom map.

More than the car is probably worth to do it right basically.

colm_mcm

Who did your remap for you last time?

michael0connor wrote: »

Id love a 3.0tdi but im 17, insurance now is ridiculous nevermind a bigger engine.. what else would i need other than the turbo clutch and filters?

Surely your insurance would go up if you're adding 40% more power to your existing car?

michael0connor

colm_mcm wrote: »

Who did your remap for you last time?



Surely your insurance would go up if you're adding 40% more power to your existing car?

It actually rises by about 3500 or else im uninsurable

bazz26

You'd probably want to be upgrading your brakes too along with the other stuff mentioned.

Personally I would just go with a sensible and straight forward remap, should be able to go from 130bhp to 170bhp with a good remap without having to spend substantial money on other bits that would also have to upgraded.

mullingar

What insurance company did you get your modified to 200bhp quote from??

I know a few 20 odd year olds who would love to get a decent quote on a highly modified VAG.


Just in case you, which I hope not, are one of those who stick their head in the sand about non-disclosure of modifications to insurance providers - they MUST be disclosed, failure to do so void your insurance. Yes, you are covered 3rd party under law if you have an accident, but the insurance companies have been known to claim any pay-out directly from the fraudulent party.

landmarkjohn

mullingar wrote: »

Just in case you, which I hope not, are one of those who stick their head in the sand about non-disclosure of modifications to insurance providers - they MUST be disclosed, failure to do so void your insurance.

There was a guy on Joe Duffy radio show yesterday that had a €32K BMW stolen/recovered wrecked, insurance would pay out as there was a mod on the engine.... some device to increase MPG apparently.

mullingar

landmarkjohn wrote: »

There was a guy on Joe Duffy radio show yesterday that had a €32K BMW stolen/recovered wrecked, insurance would pay out as there was a mod on the engine.... some device to increase MPG apparently.

Found it

http://cdn.rasset.ie/manifest/audio/2015/1020/20151020_rteradio1-liveline-carstoleni_c20866535_20866546_261_drm_/manifest.m3u8


Because of his non disclosure of a tuning box mod = no insurance payout.

colm_mcm

Increase mpg :rolleyes:

Bad form though. Fair enough if they were gonna reduce the payout a bit.

dar83

A 17 year old getting a quote on a modified car???

Given at 32 with a full NCB, I've spent the last three years on the phone to all sorts of brokers and insurers trying to get some modifications fully declared and covered and mainly coming up absolutely stumped, I'm finding this very hard to believe.

Eric Cartman

if you got a 177bhp superb you could probably get 200 with a map and some mild tweaking. but yet again your insurance will go mad.

Toyotafanboi

if it was a straightforward remap, how would the insurance company know?

do they check every cars ECU once a claim has been opened on it's policy? i very much doubt that.

dar83

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

if it was a straightforward remap, how would the insurance company know?

do they check every cars ECU once a claim has been opened on it's policy? i very much doubt that.

You'd be surprised these days, especially with the TDI brigade and the known remapping on derve in general. Depending on the claim (accident cause etc...) and surrounding details, you may just find an assessor running diagnostics to see if the ECU is in one of its standard forms. It wouldn't be too difficult for them to do either in this day and age of OBD ports and software on a laptop...

9935452

dar83 wrote: »

You'd be surprised these days, especially with the TDI brigade and the known remapping on derve in general. Depending on the claim (accident cause etc...) and surrounding details, you may just find an assessor running diagnostics to see if the ECU is in one of its standard forms. It wouldn't be too difficult for them to do either in this day and age of OBD ports and software on a laptop...

Plus there is more than likely a paper trail. Wherever a car gets remapped, the car reg number and you name will be on receipts. A few quick phone calls by an insurance company and the remap could be discovered very easily

IRL-Tony

Can anyone help me with this one ... I've a 115bhp 1.9tdi Superb and I'm interested in more torque for safer overtaking.

- Where did anyone get theirs done?
- If it was with Joe Power; where is he? Number or e-mail address?
- How much did it cost?
- Was it worth it?


Ta very much,
T

colm_mcm

http://www.chippedire.com

corks finest

michael0connor wrote: »

Hello everyone, im new to these post so bare with me..

I have a 06 Skoda Superb 1.9tdi 130BHP

I am wondering how to safely bring it up to about 200bhp without blowing the engine clutch or turbo out on the road behind me!

How would i go about this and how much would it cost roughly?

Why in God's name do you want/need 200 BHP on Irish roads?we haven't got German autobahns, think of the safety of yourselves and others,I'm driviin 35 yrs,Inc bikes up to 900 cc,and I wouldn't be comfortable in a 200 BHP ,unless u want speeding tickets ,maybe I'm wrong,but drivers in souped up cars ,with basic driving skills are a danger

IRL-Tony

Hi,

I'm not looking for something as dramatic as 200bhp ... something about 140bhp would probably be grand. Most of the new 2L VW diesels come with 150bhp nowadays anyway.
This heavy Superb (while very comfortable) at 115bhp is simply under-powered and less than safe while overtaking ...

T

kirving

The insurance company won't view a remap as a safety upgrade though.

Be sure to tell them, because if and when something happens, even if your car is broken into, it's in the insurance company's interest not to pay out.

Supergurrier

corks finest wrote: »

Why in God's name do you want/need 200 BHP on Irish roads?we haven't got German autobahns, think of the safety of yourselves and others,I'm driviin 35 yrs,Inc bikes up to 900 cc,and I wouldn't be comfortable in a 200 BHP ,unless u want speeding tickets ,maybe I'm wrong,but drivers in souped up cars ,with basic driving skills are a danger

You would swear he was after a nascar the way you are going on.

My last three cars had well over 900bhp between them and i havent 1 penalty point since i started driving, i also drive something much bigger for a living for long periods in places i have never been.

More power is always better. Its the lunatics in 1.5 diesel mummywagons making insane overtakes with barely enough room that are the danger.

corks finest

Supergurrier wrote: »

You would swear he was after a nascar the way you are going on.

My last three cars had well over 900bhp between them and i havent 1 penalty point since i started driving, i also drive something much bigger for a living for long periods in places i have never been.

More power is always better. Its the lunatics in 1.5 diesel mummywagons making insane overtakes with barely enough room that are the danger.

Maybe you're sensible,,, majority of boy racers in souped up motors aren't, agree?

corks finest

corks finest wrote: »

Maybe you're sensible,,, majority of boy racers in souped up motors aren't, agree?

Stats prove it,look at the tragedies which are regularly with us,majority are young,middle of the night,drunk/drugged,no contest

cletus

Why do you quote and reply to your own posts

Boaty

corks finest wrote: »

Stats prove it,look at the tragedies which are regularly with us,majority are young,middle of the night,drunk/drugged,no contest

Do the stats show what bhp the cars have as well? I can't imagine so.

cletus

The stats show that the 16-24 age bracket is highest, but 66+ is next in line.

Most common times though, are between. 10am and noon, and 4-6pm

corks finest

Boaty wrote: »

Do the stats show what bhp the cars have as well? I can't imagine so.

True,but use your imagination

corks finest

cletus wrote: »

Why do you quote and reply to your own posts

Mistake sorry,meant to edit message, and to be fair the guy looking for the 200 BHP is probably a normal driver,as are most ppl,but imagine a boy racer/looper in a 200 BHP car,shudder,shudder,I've kids,and am seriously worried ref the lack of care on our roads/estates

Nonoperational

I'm finding 200bhp not to be enough anymore once you get used to it. Have to step it up next time.

corks finest

Nonoperational wrote: »

I'm finding 200bhp not to be enough anymore once you get used to it. Have to step it up next time.

Rocket man

Hal1

That figure will never be enough then and you will never be satisfied with it. The simple answer is there is nowhere other than on a track to enjoy that kind of power. If it's a case of the car taking too long to get into that power band then maybe look at improving the low end torque.

corks finest

Hal1 wrote: »

That figure will never be enough then and you will never be satisfied with it. The simple answer is there is nowhere other than on a track to enjoy that kind of power. If it's a case of the car taking too long to get into that power band then maybe look at improving the low end torque.

Needs a Massey Ferguson

IRL-Tony

How does a price of €320 for a re-map sound?

- the theory is that it will bring a 115bhp tdi up to about 145bhp.
- apparently the time allotted for the re-map task is 1.5hrs.
- the task is to be done by a guy who gets many thumbs-up on boards.ie.

Sound good folks?

Supergurrier

IRL-Tony wrote: »

How does a price of €320 for a re-map sound?

- the theory is that it will bring a 115bhp tdi up to about 145bhp.
- apparently the time allotted for the re-map task is 1.5hrs.
- the task is to be done by a guy who gets many thumbs-up on boards.ie.

Sound good folks?

Torque and throttle response will be alot more important than power on a diesel.

IRL-Tony

Supergurrier wrote: »

Torque and throttle response will be alot more important than power on a diesel.

True enough. I'm after the increased torque; I'll gain about 19-24% ... not fantastic, but it'll do.

Thanks,
T

IRL-Tony

Supergurrier wrote: »

Torque and throttle response will be alot more important than power on a diesel.

Would you share your thoughts on the price?
Good, normal, high, too much???

Cheers.

mullingar

What's the insurance difference?

IRL-Tony

mullingar wrote: »

What's the insurance difference?

ssssshhhh 😉

I phoned my insurer anonymously & they more or less said they didn't want the business. The only modifications that they accept after those made to accommodate people with physical disabilities.
Anyway that's their policy; not mine.

So, I can't detail my intended modifications to them; I'd prefer if I could, and I'd pay the higher premium if expected.

T

colm_mcm

Just be prepared for shenanigans if your car is involved in an accident. (Yes they do check)

mullingar

IRL-Tony wrote: »

ssssshhhh 😉

I phoned my insurer anonymously & they more or less said they didn't want the business. The only modifications that they accept after those made to accommodate people with physical disabilities.
Anyway that's their policy; not mine.

So, I can't detail my intended modifications to them; I'd prefer if I could, and I'd pay the higher premium if expected.

T

You are a fool.

Falsely declaring your car as modification free breeches the T&C's of your insurance policy.

Not that long ago someone was on the Joe Duffy show with a chipped BMW and the insurance company refused to pay out any losses to the owner of the car because it was undeclared as chipped when as assessor checked it.

MarkR

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/insurance-alert-tiny-modifications-to-cars-can-wipe-out-cover-31273560.html

Scary stuff. I put a new magic tree air freshener in last week. Going in the bin when i get home...

IRL-Tony

colm_mcm wrote: »

Just be prepared for shenanigans if your car is involved in an accident. (Yes they do check)

Colm,


Do you believe that they can check for remaps as well as chipped?

My understanding is that a chipped ecu will have physical evidence visible eg. an extra chip or non-std chip ... whereas a re-map will leave no physical evidence behind.

Perhaps the only way to check for a re-map is to put the car on a rolling road & measure power/torque readings at set rpm figures?
Maybe I'm wrong?


T

alias no.9

MarkR wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/insurance-alert-tiny-modifications-to-cars-can-wipe-out-cover-31273560.html

Scary stuff. I put a new magic tree air freshener in last week. Going in the bin when i get home...

God help anyone with a red Toyota when the paint inevitably fades and deviates from the factory spec.

IRL-Tony

MarkR wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/insurance-alert-tiny-modifications-to-cars-can-wipe-out-cover-31273560.html

Scary stuff. I put a new magic tree air freshener in last week. Going in the bin when i get home...

😉
Mad enough alright.
Cheers for the link.
T

ianobrien

IRL-Tony wrote: »

Colm,


Do you believe that they can check for remaps as well as chipped?

My understanding is that a chipped ecu will have physical evidence visible eg. an extra chip or non-std chip ... whereas a re-map will leave no physical evidence behind.

Perhaps the only way to check for a re-map is to put the car on a rolling road & measure power/torque readings at set rpm figures?
Maybe I'm wrong?


T

No you are wrong. They would read the various parameters off the ECU (eg injector timings for throttle openings at specific RPM), compare to the factory and then see if the parameter is still as per factory. Or, maybe read the software build revision number, etc.

The evidence is in the code, rather than a physical part.

draiochtanois

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