Released gov papers indicate CIA involved in JFK cover-up

Dohnjoe

BloodBath wrote: »

There was a 100% cover up in the Kennedy assassination. Anyone who believes otherwise is either ignorant of the facts or a straight up shill.

Can we hear your theory as to who was involved and how it was done

DamagedTrax

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Can we hear your theory as to who was involved and how it was done

i tend to agree. if you wanna shoot someone down like that, you gotta be prepared to put your own ass out there too.

BloodBath

My last post was pretty pointless.

I'll post something more constructive later when I have time.

DamagedTrax

BloodBath wrote: »

That last post was pretty pointless.

I'll post something more constructive later when I have time.

cheers.

josephryan1989

DamagedTrax wrote: »

he was a CIA asset that was being lined up for insertion into cuba. his girlfriend juydth baker was a cancer scientist working on a way to assininate castro using cancer (she has admitted this in many interviews).

All of Oswald's associates and movements have been painstakingly accounted for. He never worked with Judith Baker nor had a relationship with her. Baker's wild claims are simply unbelievable.

actually 40 odd witnesses claim they heard shots from the grassy knoll.

Witnesses on the grassy knoll who would have been feet away from a supposed assassinate saw and heard no shooter. Photos of the knoll during the shooting show no shooter. A railroad employee in a control tower overlooking the knoll from the rear saw no shooter. No rifle or spent hulls or any other evidence was ever found there.

so explain the shot that went through the limo window from the front? and the witnesses to the inwards hole?

There was no bullet hole in the front of the windshield. A fragment of a bullet struck the inside of the windshield and created a spider web crack.

or the doctors who gave evidence that there was a front entry shot to the throat before it was hacked open by the coroner?

The doctors at Parkland did not turn JFK over and find the entry wound in the back of the neck. The small throat wound was caused by the tight tie knot and collar preventing the throat wound was burst open when the bullet exited. The throat would was opened because the doctors inserted a breathing tube.

or the acoustic evidence which led HSCA to admit the possibility of a grassy knoll shot?

The acoustic evidence has since been debunked.

the type of rifle itself may be accurate but the one found that day was not

The US army and FBI testing on it proved this as they found

It was tested and found to be accurate.

i'll agree with this. i think he was probably a good shot having been a marine and CIA asset.

He never was a CIA assset.

There is little doubt about the paper bag. the miraculous intact bullet was also introduced into evidence illegally.

The bullet was not intact.

DamagedTrax

josephryan1989 wrote: »

All of Oswald's associates and movements have been painstakingly accounted for. He never worked with Judith Baker nor had a relationship with her. Baker's wild claims are simply unbelievable.



Witnesses on the grassy knoll who would have been feet away from a supposed assassinate saw and heard no shooter. Photos of the knoll during the shooting show no shooter. A railroad employee in a control tower overlooking the knoll from the rear saw no shooter. No rifle or spent hulls or any other evidence was ever found there.



There was no bullet hole in the front of the windshield. A fragment of a bullet struck the inside of the windshield and created a spider web crack.



The doctors at Parkland did not turn JFK over and find the entry wound in the back of the neck. The small throat wound was caused by the tight tie knot and collar preventing the throat wound was burst open when the bullet exited. The throat would was opened because the doctors inserted a breathing tube.



The acoustic evidence has since been debunked.






It was tested and found to be accurate.







He never was a CIA assset.





The bullet was not intact.

without the relevent links or at least (quotations or names), all you've done is disagree.

i await a more detailed explanation of your claims.

josephryan1989

All of Oswald's associates and movements have been painstakingly accounted for. He never worked with Judith Baker nor had a relationship with her. Baker's wild claims are simply unbelievable.

We are expected to believe the CIA would hired a high school drop out (Oswald), a student with no advanced science qualifications (Baker), a man with a mail order doctor's qualification from Italy (David Ferrie) and an orthopedic surgeon (Dr. Mary Sherman) to conduct research into poisoning Castro?

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/judyth.htm

Witnesses on the grassy knoll who would have been feet away from a supposed assassinate saw and heard no shooter. Photos of the knoll during the shooting show no shooter. A railroad employee in a control tower overlooking the knoll from the rear saw no shooter. No rifle or spent hulls or any other evidence was ever found there.

Abraham Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman and many other witnesses on the grass knoll heard shots fired from the TSBD. Read their testimony to the Warren Commission. A simple google search will get it for you.

There was no bullet hole in the front of the windshield. A fragment of a bullet struck the inside of the windshield and created a spider web crack.

A close up of the crack and not a bullet hole in the windshield. Yet again a simple google search will produce images of the JFK limo windshield.

I can find these things out in a few seconds using a basic google search.

DamagedTrax

josephryan1989 wrote: »

We are expected to believe the CIA would hired a high school drop out (Oswald), a student with no advanced science qualifications (Baker), a man with a mail order doctor's qualification from Italy (David Ferrie) and an orthopedic surgeon (Dr. Mary Sherman) to conduct research into poisoning Castro?

As you used in an argument earlier, he was a marine. CIA have a long history of obtaining assets from the Marine corp.

And here's some info on Juydth's early life

A wizard student with the highest IQ of her class, on October 17, 1958, she was introduced to Dr. Canute Michaelson, a high-ranking Norwegian geneticist and radiobiologist with CIA ties who had served as a double agent against Hitler. Michaelson's exploits as a spy fascinated her. He provided her with equipment, and contacts with Oak Ridge, after she indicated her interest in finding a cure for cancer. Her patriotic zeal was further enhanced in high school by friendships with retired military officers (especially her science instructor, Col. Phillip Doyle) and anti-Castro Cubans, including a close friendship with fellow student Tony Lopez-Fresquet, the oldest son of Castro's finance minister, who fled Cuba in 1960.

And here's some info on McAdam:

• Indefinitive suspension from his position in 2014
• Relies on Ddebunking JFK conspiracies as a source of income
• Strong vocal conservative
• Supports capital punishment & the death penalty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._McAdams


Here's a few words from a critic

McAdams has neither the educational preparation nor the ability for such a position -- his language skills are abysmal; his analytical skills non-existent. Not only has he done no research whatsoever on the historical question he pretends to study, he has no knowledge of even the basics of a research methodology. Thus, McAdams himself argues against long established historical facts; on the other hand, he is incapable of doing the research necessary to either confirm or dispute such facts.

Who you choose to believe is entirely up to you... i already know which direction i lean.

Abraham Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman and many other witnesses on the grass knoll heard shots fired from the TSBD. Read their testimony to the Warren Commission. A simple google search will get it for you.

And ive already provided you with 40 names that testified to hearing the shot come from the grassy knoll.

And what about the testimony of Gordon Aarnold who claimed he was standing on the grassy knoll and felt the shot whizz past his ear. Gordon, being a militray trained man did exactly what he was trained to do - hit the deck in the opposite direction from the shot.

Gordon can be seen on the left wearing his green military jacket and holding his super-8 camera in front of his face. To the right we see what looks like a shot being fired off by someone in a police/security type of uniform. the 3rd figure is the clearly wearing a workmans/engineers hard hat, which explains the various witnesses that saw him walking away.

A close up of the crack and not a bullet hole in the windshield. Yet again a simple google search will produce images of the JFK limo windshield.

Unfortunately you've provided a photo from a time after the limo has been tampared with.

I can find these things out in a few seconds using a basic google search.

And that is why you've been called out already on this thread. You're providing nothing but old evidence that has been largely discredited & disproven over the years.

You've taken the word of a known crank about Judyth Baker but refuse to accept her own account (with verifiable background checks)?

You've provided a photo that was taken after the repair work was done, while simultaneously ignoring a photo taken while Kennedy was still in the car?

You've named 2 witness as a means of debunking 40.. & a photograph of one standing exactly where he claimed to have been standing!

Ill leave you with this hi-res shot from the moment just before Kennedy was shot, as the motorcade passes the depository. Look closely at who is standing in the doorway (standing to the left of Bill Lovelady, the guy with his hands in the air). Im not saying that it is 100% Oswald... but its sure looks like him.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/altgens-6-ue-large-best-proc.jpg

and here's the close-up

Hagar7

DamagedTrax wrote: »

As you used in an argument earlier, he was a marine. CIA have a long history of obtaining assets from the Marine corp.

And here's some info on Juydth's early life



And here's some info on McAdam:

• Indefinitive suspension from his position in 2014
• Relies on Ddebunking JFK conspiracies as a source of income
• Strong vocal conservative
• Supports capital punishment & the death penalty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._McAdams


Here's a few words from a critic




Who you choose to believe is entirely up to you... i already know which direction i lean.






And ive already provided you with 40 names that testified to hearing the shot come from the grassy knoll.

And what about the testimony of Gordon Aarnold who claimed he was standing on the grassy knoll and felt the shot whizz past his ear. Gordon, being a militray trained man did exactly what he was trained to do - hit the deck in the opposite direction from the shot.

Gordon can be seen on the left wearing his green military jacket and holding his super-8 camera in front of his face. To the right we see what looks like a shot being fired off by someone in a police/security type of uniform. the 3rd figure is the clearly wearing a workmans/engineers hard hat, which explains the various witnesses that saw him walking away.







Unfortunately you've provided a photo from a time after the limo has been tampared with.







And that is why you've been called out already on this thread. You're providing nothing but old evidence that has been largely discredited & disproven over the years.

You've taken the word of a known crank about Judyth Baker but refuse to accept her own account (with verifiable background checks)?

You've provided a photo that was taken after the repair work was done, while simultaneously ignoring a photo taken while Kennedy was still in the car?

You've named 2 witness as a means of debunking 40.. & a photograph of one standing exactly where he claimed to have been standing!

Ill leave you with this hi-res shot from the moment just before Kennedy was shot, as the motorcade passes the depository. Look closely at who is standing in the doorway (standing to the left of Bill Lovelady, the guy with his hands in the air). Im not saying that it is 100% Oswald... but its sure looks like him.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/altgens-6-ue-large-best-proc.jpg

and here's the close-up

Of that there is no doubting its HLO,also known as The Prayer Man.

http://www.jfkambush.com/post/prayer-man-confirms-oswalds-airtight-alibi-7797420?pid=1289890680

Cianmcliam

DamagedTrax wrote: »

So if Oswald was the only gunman (and if what we were told was true), why do we now have documented evidence that the CIA did everything to cover-up the situation and steer the investigation in a way that matched the official narrative?

Seems to me that there would be no need.. if Oswald was a lone gunman.

Because Oswald was known to the FBI and CIA, being an ex-marine that defected to the USSR. Oswald also contacted the FBI in the months before the assassination warning them to keep away from his Russian wife.

But the main reason was the fear that if Oswald's past led people to believe he was planted by the USSR or Cuba to assassinate Kennedy, or if it actually turned out to be the case then such an attack on the head of state would almost certainly spiral into a war. Therefore they downplayed how involved they were in monitoring (or not as it turned out) his actions after returning from Russia. Johnson was pretty terrified at the prospect of this turning out to be an act of war or terrorism by the USSR.