Should smokers be deducted pay for smoke breaks?

donfers

Person a, non-smoker works 9-5:30, has an hour for lunch, non-smoker

Person b, smoker, works 9-5:30, an hour for lunch and let's say 4 10 minute breaks during the day for a smoke

You are the boss, do you pay person b less than person a, assuming same job,ability etc.

Penny Tration

Just don't allow smoke breaks

MilesMorales1

Sure what places give smoke breaks anyway? I have to take them in my lunch hour if at all if I want a cigarette.

Kev W

I think it's a better idea just to not allow smoke breaks. It's much simpler.

godtabh

donfers wrote: »

Person a, non-smoker works 9-5:30, has an hour for lunch, non-smoker

Person b, smoker, works 9-5:30, an hour for lunch and let's say 4 10 minute breaks during the day for a smoke

You are the boss, do you pay person b less than person a, assuming same job,ability etc.

What about the going to the jacks?

Person a, non-fapper works 9-5:30, has an hour for lunch, non-fapper

Person b, fapper, works 9-5:30, an hour for lunch and let's say 4 10 minute breaks during the day for a fap
Thats the real issue here

rahmalec

As long as the job is done to the same level as the other person, then why not

The Backwards Man

I pay the better worker more.

ben.schlomo

Never heard of anywhere allowing/giving 'smoke breaks'.

sashafierce

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recylingbin

Scrap all breaks and chain them up.

HugsiePie

I dont smoke but a lot of my co workers do, and tbh it kinda pisses me off that they would easily rack up an extra 40 minutes of not working through out the day because theyre smoking...not being deducted any pay....however where I work is a little laxed so theres no major pressure to have things done instantly so they do have the time to smoke.....its not a big deal it just irritates me very slightly sometimes.

My name is URL

Are separate smoke breaks still even a thing? Most places I know only allow people to go for a smoke on their actual lunch and coffee breaks

Dravokivich

If they want, they can smoke during their break, but they shouldn't get extra breaks because they smoke. Who lets someone get away with that nonsense?

brevity

If people are getting the work done then it wouldn't bother me.

Micromanaging people is so counter productive.

MilesMorales1

Time one spends sitting in the office doesn't equal greater productivity anyway.

jimgoose

When I was an engineer on a production line many aeons ago, we'd jump in for a few minutes while a GO popped out for a puff. The brass had no objections to this, and it seemed kind of natural and right. I've been essentially paid to think for a long time, and the matter simply doesn't crop up. But by all means get back to nailing each other to ye're machines in the Dark Satanic Mills - the Government loves that.

My name is URL

brevity wrote: »

If people are getting the work done then it wouldn't bother me.

Micromanaging people is so counter productive.

This is it. Not allowing people to go for a quick smoke would probably cost a bit in terms of productivity

Still, though. I genuinely don't know of anywhere that exclusively allows smokers take 5 min breaks throughout the day. Anywhere that does allow it also allows non-smokers to take quick breaks at various times for bathroom / canteen visits etc.

OldGoat

Smoke breaks are where the real work gets done.

jimgoose

OldGoat wrote: »

Smoke breaks are where the real work gets done.

Quite so. In my experience it's during smoke breaks that you get to meet and network with the People Who Matter.

SEPT 23 1989

Smokers are better workers

biko

Only a bad manager would prohibit smoke breaks.
Look up the "watercooler effect".




or just read it here
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reality-mining/200911/the-water-cooler-effect

touts

Same breaks for everyone. How they use those breaks (eating or smoking or on the phone etc) is up to them and none of my business as long as they are back at work on time. If someone can't last a couple of hours between cancer sticks that's their problem not mine and I think the last thing they need is a boss accommodating a self destructive habit.

Penn

As others have said, just don't allow smoke breaks. Either use some of the general coffee break time and lunch time, or don't smoke.

Jesus if you can't go the guts of 3 hours without smoking, I don't see why the company has to facilitate you.

valoren

brevity wrote: »

If people are getting the work done then it wouldn't bother me.

Micromanaging people is so counter productive.

Exactly.

As long as deliverables are being met then there's no problem.

Jawgap

OldGoat wrote: »

Smoke breaks are where the real work gets done.

there's an element of truth in that.

In my previous job we had flexi-time and people were allowed a smoke break in the morning and the afternoon (10 minutes) each. It used to annoy the t1ts off me as that pretty much added up to a day off over the course of a month.

Of course, people wouldn't go on their own - there were the various 'groups' and rarely did they confine themselves to 10 minutes.

Personally, I don't mind people going for smoke breaks but if I'd been the boss I'd have made them clock off while out puffing.

5starpool

Dravokivich wrote: »

If they want, they can smoke during their break, but they shouldn't get extra breaks because they smoke. Who lets someone get away with that nonsense?

In most office based jobs (that I've worked in anyhow) people are generally free to come and go as they want, which would include smokers taking a few breaks during work hours to have a smoke. I'm sure not all of them do but it definitely happens regularly enough, but as long as the persons work gets done no one cares. I've generally worked in IT for large companies and have worked in quite a few offices at this stage and it's been the same in most of them.

It's not officially sanctioned, but it's just what happens.

eviltimeban

I guy I used to work with who didn't smoke used to go with the smokers and stand with them while they were having their smoke break. His argument is that he was entitled to stand there, whether he was smoking or not!

What's worse is the smell when they come back into the office.

Menas

Where I work the risk is that if you start counting peoples smoke breaks then they start counting the hours too and limit themselves to 40 hours.

Generally people work more than that when needed. Flexibility on both sides goes a long way. But if course that does not work in all workplaces.

Haznat

My name is URL wrote: »

Are separate smoke breaks still even a thing? Most places I know only allow people to go for a smoke on their actual lunch and coffee breaks

Are coffee breaks still a thing?

Boom_Bap

Haznat wrote: »

Are coffee breaks still a thing?

Only if you are a smoker.

Knex*

I don't smoke and I have absolutely no issue with people taking breaks to pop out for a cigarette.

It is in no way a representation of their work ethic, or their ability to get their job done.

Sure here we are posting on boards.