Diswellstown Manor

BettyBoo2011

Hi there,

Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the new development at Diswellstown Manor?

Went to see the show house yesterday. The 5 bed semi-Ds are 550-570 for about 2000square foot.

On the pro side:
- they are reasonable value for the space/size compared to other new builds in Dublin currently
- nice location with almost a rural feel to it as you are on the back road to strawberry beds (albeit the estate itself will have 120 houses) but closer to town than where we are currently and with very good amenities around
-spec of the houses inside is pretty nice, the master in particular on top floor is really spacious etc
-development itself has some nice green areas etc

Cons:
- still reasonably steep pricing
-no separate second sitting room albeit the extended kitchen has a second sitting room and a room upstairs could be used as a study or playroom
- gardens are pretty small - same size if even as our current terraced 3 bed
- noise of M50 in some of the roads


thought the layout of upstairs was a little squashed, some rooms very big, some very small but I guess that's estates theses days...! We are looking at them for a trade up but quickly realising lots of compromises involved in any house unless we win the lotto!

Would appreciate any thoughts on the houses for the price etc... We are not precious on location but don't want to increase our commute to work, ideally trying to shorten it...

Thanks a lot

Eric Cartman

Personally I think at that money and especially at 5 bedrooms buying a house attached to another house is madness.

BettyBoo2011

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Personally I think at that money and especially at 5 bedrooms buying a house attached to another house is madness.

Understand where you are coming from completely. And I had a good few cons listed to that effect..

However I don't see any new developments in Dublin of around this size for less? And with all the talk of space shortage it appears like problem will only get worse... If you look at Rokeby Park in Lucan which is further out, they are detached and have plenty of space but are priced 720-780k which seems even crazier!

Pricing seems to have gone mad again. Even new developments halfway down Kildare like Naas etc selling for this type of range for example Pipers Hill. We work very long and sporadic hours and tied to the city so outside of Dub is not within our search unfort

Eric Cartman

BettyBoo2011 wrote: »

Understand where you are coming from completely. And I had a good few cons listed to that effect..

However I don't see any new developments in Dublin of around this size for less? And with all the talk of space shortage it appears like problem will only get worse... If you look at Rokeby Park in Lucan which is further out, they are detached and have plenty of space but are priced 720-780k which seems even crazier!

Pricing seems to have gone mad again. Even new developments halfway down Kildare like Naas etc selling for this type of range for example Pipers Hill. We work very long and sporadic hours and tied to the city so outside of Dub is not within our search unfort

yeah the new developments have gone mad, rokeby still has me confused about how they value them at that. Just looking through daft actually and seeing a serious shortage.

have you looked at moyglare in maynooth though : http://www.daft.ie/kildare/houses-for-sale/maynooth/moyglare-hall-maynooth-kildare-650930/?utm_expid=48158508-7.sqRa4eujSguIxT-Hruxasg.0 , its only an additional 10 minutes further than lucan .


or 2200 sq ft in donabate
http://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/donabate/14-willowbrook-donabate-dublin-1046246/?utm_expid=48158508-7.sqRa4eujSguIxT-Hruxasg.0

January

Ballyboughal have a new development with 3000+ sq ft for €550,000.

It is the middle of nowhere though.

BettyBoo2011

January wrote: »

Ballyboughal have a new development with 3000+ sq ft for €550,000.

It is the middle of nowhere though.

Thanks both, saw those but we already have 70plus hour weeks so don't want to move further out than the circumference of where we are currently, Lucan...

Crazy crazy market again....

It would kill me re to pay that money for a semi d versus what I could get elsewhere in country but we intend to stay living and working in Dublin so just have to face the reality here. Worried if we leave it we will be stuck totally as planning kids on next few years and wouldn't get the mortgage with dependents

quadrifoglio verde

Difference between lucan and maynooth is 10 mins or so in the morning, really isn't that much in it especially if you end up finding something you're a lot happier with. Out of curiosity would you consider the area between saggart and kill. As close as lucan, but a lot nicer houses. Few mins to the luas as well
But no new builds if that's what your after.

the_syco

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Difference between lucan and maynooth is 10 mins or so in the morning, really isn't that much in it especially if you end up finding something you're a lot happier with.

One added bonus about Maynooth, is it's the start of the Maynooth to Dublin railway line. So if you're going to anywhere near a train station, this can be a plus. Lucan doesn't have a train station.

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You'll hear the M50 from Diswellstown Manor, but you won't notice it after a bit. Being only 15-20 minutes away from the train station is a plus, but you'll either be standing, or not get on as it'll be packed during "rush hour".

CantThinkOfANam

Hi there,

Just wondering have many been sold? Are they been snapped up by eager buyers?

Cheers.

April 73

BettyBoo - would you consider Dunboyne or even Ratoath? Bit further out from D15 but if you are doing long days you may not be travelling in rush hour traffic. Both very commutable into Dublin City centre & €550,000 will buy you a lot of house there with good community facilities.

BettyBoo2011

Thanks all. We have a family member living with us who is in and out of Vincent's a few times a week long term so between that and our work schedule/locations we are looking to decrease our commutes rather than increase. So have a very set circumference area for our next phase of life, longer term we would def move further out.

Back to Diswellstown, when we were up there Sat (2 days into launch) over half of first phase had deposits 'paid' of 5k each. The houses are nice as is the development but no even second sitting room downstairs albeit upstairs floors have plenty flexibility to use a room as a study or office etc. has anyone else been into the development or what are your thoughts?

I heard that over half of first phase of Rokeby are also sold - is this true do you think and will they continue for these prices? It seems madness for a 4 bed in Lucan when there are 5 bed houses in Malahide etc for similar price and less...interestingly of those sold, the most popular house sold was the Swan which is something like 760k or more just for the 4 bed without attic conversion!! We are nowhere near this budget but I'm just flabbergasted at this development!!

April 73

Any further on in your thinking Bettyboo?

BettyBoo2011

April 73 wrote: »

Any further on in your thinking Bettyboo?

Hey there

We're not going to proceed with this development, no second sitting room downstairs and parking right outside your sitting room window for 570k just doesn't make sense when we wrote it all down...

I'm sure lots of people will be very happy there though and will be interesting to see how the sales go

What are thoughts as to whether estates like Rokeby or Diswellstown will increase in price with later phases? I would have thought they were already at max end and more but demand will determine I guess or else developers will just sit still

clonliffe1979

Just wondering if anyone had got a confirmation from Hooke & McDonanld that certain whites goods will now not be included in purchase price, althoiugh had been previously stated they would be on brochures & websites

Thanks

BlazingSaddler

Half thought about DM ourselves but there are going to be some serious traffic bottlenecks around this area soon I'd imagine. How many properties make up the Diswellstown Manor, Bracken Park and Hamilton Park developments? I'd guess 500+.
Knockmaroon Hill through Chapelizod, the M50, Castleknock and the Navan Road are all fit to bursting as it is.

digiman

clonliffe1979 wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone had got a confirmation from Hooke & McDonanld that certain whites goods will now not be included in purchase price, althoiugh had been previously stated they would be on brochures & websites

Thanks

It was stated in the pricelist that the washing machine and tumble drier were not included, hopefully there is nothing else.

mattb74 wrote: »

Half thought about DM ourselves but there are going to be some serious traffic bottlenecks around this area soon I'd imagine. How many properties make up the Diswellstown Manor, Bracken Park and Hamilton Park developments? I'd guess 500+.
Knockmaroon Hill through Chapelizod, the M50, Castleknock and the Navan Road are all fit to bursting as it is.

I will probably go with DM, what other options are there in the area though? They are the best that I have seen anywhere around Dublin in that price range but would be open to other options as I would also be very worried about the traffic to.

corvus4906

mattb74 wrote: »

Half thought about DM ourselves but there are going to be some serious traffic bottlenecks around this area soon I'd imagine. How many properties make up the Diswellstown Manor, Bracken Park and Hamilton Park developments? I'd guess 500+.
Knockmaroon Hill through Chapelizod, the M50, Castleknock and the Navan Road are all fit to bursting as it is.

Hamilton I believe will be 600+ houses upon completion of all phases.
Currently there's no plan for an entrance to Hamilton from Porterstown road so that's a bit better from a DM traffic point of view. If that changes and an entrance to Hamilton is put in from Porterstown, traffic will be hugely effected and I would expect to devalue DM houses.
Bracken is 100 or so individual houses and there's also apartments I guess would hold another 24 apartments across all blocks.

digiman wrote: »

It was stated in the price-list that the washing machine and tumble drier were not included, hopefully there is nothing else.

I will probably go with DM, what other options are there in the area though? They are the best that I have seen anywhere around Dublin in that price range but would be open to other options as I would also be very worried about the traffic to.

On the white-goods - The houses come per the show house with the exception of the Washing Machine & Dryer. (This was mentioned in an addendum to the brochure in the price list flyers available at viewings)
I've also heard that the appliances are only included for the "first 10 houses sold" but i'm not 100% on that as it was heard from a 3rd party.
I guess it comes down to each purchasers negotiation at time of contract.

On the traffic - Yep traffic is a major pitfall and it's not likely to be improved with new roads around the sandpits or strawberry beds for many years to come. It's a gamble from the traffic point of view. Great houses tho on the other hand, I think they're also the best around.

corvus4906

I should say "for the price" I think they're best. Bracken park would be the best in the locality i reckon.

kev22185

Myself and my wife had a choice between DM and Hamilton. We ended up going for one of the bigger Hamilton houses. We'll both be working in spencer dock soon (i'm currently city center) and it made more sense for us to be as close to the train station as possible plus the layout of the Hamilton house suited us better than the equivalent price in DM, we really wanted a separate living area as a playroom.

Traffic will only get worse around the area but to be honest it's an absolute nightmare now anyway. I've lived in the area for years and rush hour in the mornings and evenings is brutal. Didn't really factor in for us as we'll be on the train at those times.

beauf

Be interesting how many more they can fit on the trains considering most of them are standing room only now.

sligoman2015

I think that Hamilton Park is a much higher density development than Dis Manor, and Dis Manor looks better. However, no denying that bedroom space is better in Hamilton Park than in Dis Manor. Not sure about the third room downstairs in the 4 beds in Hamilton Park-i think those doors would need to be left open or the kitchen would be very dark indeed.


The traffic situation should be better in Dis Manor as you have 119 units going out one road rather than at least 400 units plus apartments sharing a single exit with a primary school.

Unsure if 5 bed in Dis Manor is worth the approx 80K premium over the 4 bed- any views on this?

corvus4906

sligoman2015 wrote: »

Unsure if 5 bed in Dis Manor is worth the approx 80K premium over the 4 bed- any views on this?

Don't think it's worth it either myself. You're sacrificing any attic for the nursery (which may be being treated as a room itself??)
The middle floor suffers from the same issue as the 4-beds : not great room layouts.
Having said that...would still love the 5-bed :P not worth the premium though

beauf

sligoman2015 wrote: »

...The traffic situation should be better in Dis Manor as you have 119 units going out one road rather than at least 400 units plus apartments sharing a single exit with a primary school....

That one road is now a rat run from Lucan and the back roads from Leixlip/Meath. All roads in the general D.15 feed into the same few main bottlenecks. I wouldn't say it will make much of a difference.

General advice to avoid leaving at school time, or get the train. If you can get on it. Handy cycle to city centre.

kev22185

beauf wrote: »

Be interesting how many more they can fit on the trains considering most of them are standing room only now.

My wife gets the docklands train from D15 every morning and never has any complaints about it being busy.

The other routes from maynooth seem to be wedged alright.

beauf

You can't get the docklands train every morning, it only runs mon-fri.

Qualitymark

kev22185 wrote: »

My wife gets the docklands train from D15 every morning

What is this docklands train? What stations does it pass through?

beauf

http://www.irishrail.ie/timetables/timetable-pdfs

Basically it's the same to boombridge then goes direct to docklands. Skips Drumcondra and Connolly.

Limited service.

Qualitymark

beauf wrote: »

http://www.irishrail.ie/timetables/timetable-pdfs

Basically it's the same to boombridge then goes direct to docklands. Skips Drumcondra and Connolly.

Limited service.

Thanks, but that listing seems to be for Dart, Connolly, Heuston and Northern Ireland services. Tried selecting 'Broombridge' (there was no offer for Boombridge) and 'Docklands' and got a lot of red lettering saying basically "nothing here, mate".

alastair

Qualitymark wrote: »

Thanks, but that listing seems to be for Dart, Connolly, Heuston and Northern Ireland services. Tried selecting 'Broombridge' (there was no offer for Boombridge) and 'Docklands' and got a lot of red lettering saying basically "nothing here, mate".

The timetable is on that page. Look under Connolly & Dart / Dublin- Maynooth/Longford. Broombridge - Docklands included.

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/14_m3_parkway_maynooth_longford.pdf

Blured

Qualitymark wrote: »

Thanks, but that listing seems to be for Dart, Connolly, Heuston and Northern Ireland services. Tried selecting 'Broombridge' (there was no offer for Boombridge) and 'Docklands' and got a lot of red lettering saying basically "nothing here, mate".

Click into Parkway M3 in the timetable section. It will list the dockland trains

Zilch

I haven't been here in a long time. My friend told me she was reading this and it was something I should read as my house is up for sale. Before I either write in the wrong place, am I allowed offer another house as a suggestion?

digiman

Zilch wrote: »

I haven't been here in a long time. My friend told me she was reading this and it was something I should read as my house is up for sale. Before I either write in the wrong place, am I allowed offer another house as a suggestion?

Suggest away, or PM me. Assuming its a 2nd hand house?

digiman

Has anybody who put down a deposit got a contract yet?

Zilch

digiman wrote: »

Suggest away, or PM me. Assuming its a 2nd hand house?

I have friends that told me this was being discussed here. I have a 2nd hand house on the same road. My home is bigger, has a huge garden because its 20 years old, has an excellent BER rating. It hasn't a crack in any ceiling or wall. And best of all its priced cheaper. So even if people were to get a new kitchen put in, they'd still save. Ive been told by my E.A. who also happens to be the E.A. for those, that people want all new fittings. I'm probably asking for a bit of psychology here but why would people want to not even consider mine and possibly more importantly I think there is a conflict of interest. Would anyone else think the same? Or better still know for a fact that it is. Thanks a mil.

GPereira

hi everyone, a couple of quick questions on this. I'm interested in buying a 3 bedroom semi in either HP or DM. Preference would be HP but am worried about their availability - was told by SF in the last viewing that 3 beds for phase 1 they were all bought in two days. That's why I'm considering also DM. As per traffic, it thought from DM heading to Castleknock would be tougher than from HP. I'll need to drive to Coolmine train station everyday in the morning and park there (it's around 900m) - does someone know how bad is Carpenterstown in the morning from St Patrick's until the train station?

Qualitymark

Five minutes on a bike, on the other hand…

Zilch

GPereira wrote: »

hi everyone, a couple of quick questions on this. I'm interested in buying a 3 bedroom semi in either HP or DM. Preference would be HP but am worried about their availability - was told by SF in the last viewing that 3 beds for phase 1 they were all bought in two days. That's why I'm considering also DM. As per traffic, it thought from DM heading to Castleknock would be tougher than from HP. I'll need to drive to Coolmine train station everyday in the morning and park there (it's around 900m) - does someone know how bad is Carpenterstown in the morning from St Patrick's until the train station?

It's fairly hectic. You have to get through the traffic for the primary school, a secondary school, and the tail back from a train station track being lowered every couple of minutes for morning traffic which means a queue all the way back from Carpenterstown. I've seen people go the wrong way around the roundabout just to get past it.. There are 2 Lollipop ladies on each side of the road, i.e on if you wanted to head in either direction. Every parent in my own estate seems to drive their child/ren to school so the cars parked up all along the round around the primary is crazy. My husband has 2 choices to get to work when he comes out of the gates of Carpenterstown. Go right - but then he encounters all the traffic heading for the train station and the level crossing seems to only go up for a few minutes at that time of the morning letting through 15 cars if you are very lucky. He also finds no one will let him out of the estate, people go into yellow boxes and stay sitting on roundabouts because I guess everyone else is up against the clock too. However if he goes left, i.e. the direction you are coming from in order to go over the new bridge, he has to get past Castleknock Community College, and because kids have to get across at the pedestrian lights, his situation is that the lollipop lady has no movement at this time of the road so she is out on the road a lot. Another reason he can't get out onto the road. After that he meets 3 more lollipop ladies. Two being where you are coming from. There are no buses up to where my husband works or he'd definitely use them. He'd get there quicker and cheaper and with less hassle. It takes him exactly 1 hour to travel 4 miles with 40 being spent on the Carpenterstown Road. Unless you have to give someone else a lift, perhaps getting a bike to get to the train station would be a lot quicker for you. But unless you are a dab hand on the bike you are still going to be stuck in queues. I think you might be a bit more than 900 metres away from the point where you walk out your front door up until you get to Coolmine Station. I know this may not be what you would like to hear but I hope it helps with your decision making choices for transport.

beauf

Diswellstown is a residential road. It has 4~5 schools either on it, or very close to it. So it was always busy at peak time. The immediate area in every direction has always been busy going back decades. In the middle of that is a busy train line and level crossing.

To put the icing on the cake though, the planners in their wisdom also recently opened it up to commuting traffic coming in from Lucan and also the Clonsilla/Blanch centre, (both directions, obviously going out of town and into it).

As a result its bumper to bumper now at peak times. If driving I avoid it between 7.30 and 9am myself. Outside of that its fine. You can walk to the train in 15~20 mins though. Cycle it in 5 mins. Theres cycle lockers at the train station. or just get a folding bike and bring it with you. Mind you trains are usually standing only at peak.

They are provisional plans to bypass the level crossing with another bridge. Which will feed more traffic into the area. So its not going to get better. In the long run I'd consider other options, of switching your journey times, or mode of transport. Cycling is a great option from D.15 to most of Dublin. An electric bike makes it easier again.

digiman

beauf wrote: »

Diswellstown is a residential road. It has 4~5 schools either on it, or very close to it. So it was always busy at peak time. The immediate area in every direction has always been busy going back decades. In the middle of that is a busy train line and level crossing.

To put the icing on the cake though, the planners in their wisdom also recently opened it up to commuting traffic coming in from Lucan and also the Clonsilla/Blanch centre, (both directions, obviously going out of town and into it).

As a result its bumper to bumper now at peak times. If driving I avoid it between 7.30 and 9am myself. Outside of that its fine. You can walk to the train in 15~20 mins though. Cycle it in 5 mins. Theres cycle lockers at the train station. or just get a folding bike and bring it with you. Mind you trains are usually standing only at peak.

They are provisional plans to bypass the level crossing with another bridge. Which will feed more traffic into the area. So its not going to get better. In the long run I'd consider other options, of switching your journey times, or mode of transport. Cycling is a great option from D.15 to most of Dublin. An electric bike makes it easier again.

What's your experience of the porterstown road? I would imagine it is much less busy but would also tail back at Myos and the lights before that

beauf

I don't use it at peak. I assume it tails back at Castleknock College, and at the junction with Diswellstown at Dr Troy Bridge. Same with Strawberry beds backs up either end, I assume as it does this at other times if its in anyway busy. You have to remember even when you get through these junctions, theres all tailbacks at Castleknock village, Chapelizod, The Phoenix park. Each one might take 10~15 mins but its all cumulative.

That said some people much prefer sitting in traffic for an hour, than the alternative. So it depends on your tolerance level.

willowthewisp

Myself and my wife are very interested in purchasing in Diswellstown, but one thing stands out, the price Difference between Diswellstown and Bracken Park.
Can anyone shed any light on why a 5 Bed Semi in Bracken Park is going for €735k and Diswellstown is €620k.
Is it the access to schools and shops or is there more to it than that?


Thanks

willowthewisp

Myself and my wife are very interested in purchasing in Diswellstown, but one thing stands out, the price Difference between Diswellstown and Bracken Park.
Can anyone shed any light on why a 5 Bed Semi in Bracken Park is going for €735k and Diswellstown is €620k.
Is it the access to schools and shops or is there more to it than that?


Thanks

kev22185

willowthewisp wrote: »

Myself and my wife are very interested in purchasing in Diswellstown, but one thing stands out, the price Difference between Diswellstown and Bracken Park.
Can anyone shed any light on why a 5 Bed Semi in Bracken Park is going for €735k and Diswellstown is €620k.
Is it the access to schools and shops or is there more to it than that?


Thanks

Probably 2 fold:

1) Diswellstown Manor is more Porterstown than Carpenterstown. it certainly feels that way if you're driving to it anyway. DM includes pedestrian access through to Carpernterstown in their plans though. If that goes ahead then it'll probably actually be quicker to walk from DM to the train station than Bracken. I've only ever seen this access referred to as "Proposed". If there was any issues with providing pedestrian access, DM would definitely feel disconnected from Carpenterstown.

2) Less convoluted reason - the Bracken 5 bed is nearly 300 sq foot bigger and having been in both, the Bracken 5 bed has a better layout.

Not sure either of those justify such a big difference obviously but there the only reasons I can think of.

BlazingSaddler

Hi all. Sorry for dragging up an old thread. I am looking to rent a property in either Diswellstown Manor or Hamilton Park, If anybody knows of any availability please PM me.

Many thanks

athtrasna

BlazingSaddler wrote: »

Hi all. Sorry for dragging up an old thread. I am looking to rent a property in either Diswellstown Manor or Hamilton Park, If anybody knows of any availability please PM me.

Many thanks

That's what daft.ie is for.

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