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Neighbor from hell

  • 11-10-2015 1:10pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭


    Hi there,

    My brother bought an apartment 12 years ago. It has been rented to a friend of his for 10 years.

    In February 2014, the apartment below my brothers was rented to a male, Mr X by the county council.

    He began complaining about the noise made by the my brothers friend.
    She was living there for 10 years, without a single incident of noise complaint from her or any other neighbor's.

    He quickly became abusive and intimidating towards her.

    She made a complaint to the Gardai.

    We tried to contact the owner of the apartment downstairs, but the owner has not returned our calls, texts, emails or letters.

    She moved out in November 2014 in fear of her safety.

    For the next 7 months, the apartment was un rented.

    We then found a tenant via the RAS scheme in June. From the day the apartment was rented, Mr X was very abusive to the tenant, and even more threatening than before.

    During the last 3 months, he assaulted the new tenant (and was arrested by the Gardai, but shortly released), put a key into the front door and used a hammer to deform the lock, forcing us to have a locksmith replace the entire lock on the door.

    At least twice a week, Mr X urinates on the front door of the apartment.

    The Gardai have been notified of this and each time the county council have been informed.

    The County Council have told us an eviction notice has been served against Mr X, but Mr X has appealed this through a solicitor. (Can we believe this? or is this just a passing the buck response)

    The County Council appear reluctant to deal with the situation and instead, they relocated the tenant from our apartment. He didn't want to move, but felt reluctant to do so for safety and peace of mind. (He's a student and has a young daughter).

    We are now left with an apartment we cannot rent due to Mr X.

    The County Council are interested in taking our apartment, but they feel it would be impossible to find a tenant due to Mr X downstairs, and as such will not move forward with renting the apartment from us.

    There is an elderly woman living above our apartment, and she has requested to be moved from the building as she also fears for her safety.
    She won't make a complaint to the Gardai, due to extreme intimidation from Mr X.

    He is also very abusive to a couple living in the final apartment.

    The main door to the apartment block was broken by Mr X, to the point where anyone can push the door open.

    There is a very noticeable smell of drugs from his apartment, in particular on Monday and Tuesday.

    The smell of urine in the stairway is beyond ability to stomach.

    Around 4am every morning, he will repeatedly bang on walls and ceilings for 30 minutes to let the other tenants know he is going to sleep.

    He sleeps until around 11am each morning, and any noise made by any tenant is met with extreme hostility, abuse, both verbal and bordering physical, and very often leads to random acts of defamation on front doors, such as urine, broken locks, kick marks on doors etc.

    This is just a small sample of issues caused by him.

    Were now concerned for the entire apartment block, as with the elderly lady upstairs looking for a transfer out, the other couple are also planning to move away.

    This will leave him being the only tenant left, and the other three apartments will remain vacant. We don't want the block to fall into disrepair as a result of him remaining there, let alone the loss of income from the apartment.

    We have been pleading with the Gardai, County Council, local TD's and the management company of the apartment block, but each time we are met with further delays, excuses, in-ability to do anything.

    Can anyone please, give us some advice on what to do? I feel like beating him to an inch of his life, but I know this will do absolutely nothing to help resolve the matter, and will only end up with me being arrested for assault.

    We are desperate at this stage.


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Can't offer you advice, you need a solicitor for that really.
    But report everything he does to AGS.

    If you're aware of a crime being committed you are obliged to report it even if your elderly neighbour won't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭dori_dormer


    What do the management company say about the bills they are recieveing due to the common area damage he has caused? They should be passing all the bills and complaints onto the landlord.

    We had a 3 strikes you are out rule that all landlords agreed to in our last place. An eviction notice could easily be served based on the ðetails you describe but you need the landlord on board. If the landlord doesn't know what's going on how can he act? If he doesn't care, the only way to make him care is through charging him for damage etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Elottois


    My parents have an investment property (semi detached house) and they and their tenants have experienced similar anti social behaviour, from neighbours that had Council rented private houses.

    In their case the actual house owner's hands were "tied" as he had contracted for 5 years of rental with the council. He wasn't too concerned either as to the state or condition his house could potentially be in, as the council had agreed as part of the contract to remedy any damage and restore the property to the original condition. It took a couple of years and a group of residents to come together to contact council repeatedly (pretty much daily) and appeal to councillors. The problem tenants eventually moved on to another location. My parents lost 2 years of rental income in this period. The area is still notorious for what went on in that time, as it is a small town. My parents now have RAS tenants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭alane20


    It's pure irish isn't it, the council won't rent your apartment because of the tenant they put in the apartment below, yet this clown has money to go running to a solicitor, best of luck with your situation


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Have you made a third party complaint to the PRTB? That should have been one of the first things you did. Do the council own Mr X's apartment or is it leased to the council under a long term rental scheme?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Could you not tell the council that as they have admitted they would not be able to rent out the flat due to their tenant in bottom flat that you will be seeking legal advice and suing for loss of rent


  • Posts: 24,714 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It really is a sad state of affairs with a person like that can't just be thrown out on the side of the street as its all they deserve.

    I really feel for you op that stuff like this can just be let drag on and on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    athtrasna wrote: »
    Have you made a third party complaint to the PRTB? That should have been one of the first things you did. Do the council own Mr X's apartment or is it leased to the council under a long term rental scheme?

    Council is not applicable to the PRTB. Which is hilarious in itself because council evictions should be quicker. At worst it should only take 6 months to evict.

    OP have you queried a lawyer? It's seems odd to me that the council can back out of a 10 year RAS contract, when its their failure to take action that has lead to these circumstances. It's kinda like smashing the windows on a leased car and then saying that it's not fit for purpose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Very Bored


    Just a thought... You seem sure there are drugs in the apartment. Why don't you let the guards know that? They might not be interested in a rent related issue but I'm sure they would be if there's a lot of narcotics on the premises.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭RoyalMarine


    Thanks for all the replies so far.

    To answer as many questions asked,

    1. The Gardai are aware of the drug situation, and it's being investigated. That's all they tell us.
    I guess a smell is circumstantial evidence and not enough for them to act on.

    2. PRTB have advised us to contact the Council to remedy the matter.

    3. The council have stuck a knife in our back regarding the RAS contract. The are standing firm that the lease covers the current resident they placed in there. Since he has now moved out, they are advising that the lease is no longer valid.
    Were currently checking this with a solicitor, as it's not what was originally agreed upon.

    4. The landlord (who owns the apartment Mr X is in), seems to have disappeared. Any attempt to contact him has been futile.

    As such, the damages to communal areas have gone un repaired, as no one is willing to accept responsibility and resolve it.

    The management company, are not really a management company, it's one guy who basically handles rent etc for the owners.
    He has been contacted several times, and we even discussed the possibility for him to with hold rent to be paid to the owner of Mr X's apartment to get his attention so he can resolve the issue with damages, but he has refused.

    5. The owner of Mr X's apartment, since he has a 15 year lease to the County Council, the council would therefor be responsible for everything. They are the major delay here in getting this resolved.

    Ultimately, I think it's going to be a case of contacting our solicitor and lawyer to push this to get resolved... But I don't think he's going to leave without a fight, as this is his 4th time being re-located due to issues of this nature. (Friend who works with the Council was able to find this out for us).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    The management company, are not really a management company, it's one guy who basically handles rent etc for the owners.
    You want to break something, you go for the weakest point. This bloke seems to be the weakest link. Perhaps check with your solicitor what can be done against him, as the County Council seem to just pass the buck.
    The main door to the apartment block was broken by Mr X, to the point where anyone can push the door open.
    Perhaps have your solicitor get the management company to fix this?

    Death by a thousand cuts; maybe get at the management man by all sorts of little things, so that dealing with the problem tenant becomes their way of stopping you from annoying them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    If the council are responsible then they are liable for antisocial behaviour which they seem to except. Pop them a solicitors letter for compensation


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    If your brother is an owner he must be a member of the management company. He should force an EGM to have this dealt with. The apartment owner is more than likely in breach of the contracts he signed at purchase, there is usually a clause about anti social behaviour by owner or subsequent tenants. The management company should be taking legal action against the apartment owner.

    The guy you refer to as the management company is probably acting as a de facto management agent.

    And the PRTB shouldn't have told you to go to the council if you take a third party complaint case against the owner of Mr X's apartment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    IT sounds like there,s only 6 or 7 units in that building.
    Go to citizens advice centre ,and flac free legal advice centre .
    See what your rights are .
    IF a landlord or the council needs to evict a tenant they may need to bring him to court , which takes 6 months plus .
    He is probably on the scheme where the rent is paid by the council,
    so his landlord may not be effected unless the building is damaged more than it already is.
    Also the building is not secure with a damaged front door .
    It,s very unusual for the council to rent an apartment for a single person,
    it sounds like he has serious issues .
    he may be on medication and also using drugs .
    Ultimately all damages will have to fixed by the management company.
    at some point .
    The gardai don,t usually go after someone for smoking hash etc
    unless they are selling it to others .I wonder is the council or the landlord
    legally responsible for the damage to the building,
    and your loss of income .
    Maybe there could be a meeting of all the apartment owners to see
    if there is any practical solution to this situation .


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Any damage to communal areas- including antisocial behaviour (such as the repeated urinating, broken doors damaged locks etc)- should be chased with the Management Company- on a daily basis if need be. The Management Company is responsible for the repair and upkeep of all communal areas. If the cause is one of the tenants- well- its the job of the Management Company to chase it with the Landlord.

    Cutting the Management Company out of the equation- is counterproductive- esp. given the nature of the person involved. You are paying management fees- let the Management Company do the duties tasked to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭dori_dormer


    As others have said, your brother is part of the management company. He pays fees every year to the company as do all the other owners. There should be an agm every year where they go over everything to do with the building. You can call an egm in an emergency situation such as this

    There should be a certain amount of money left aside every year for contingencies. This money should be being used to repair the common areas and then the bill sent to the landlord of the bad tenant. If the landlord doesn't pay up then he is in arrears and the managment have a right to take him to court over monies owed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭RoyalMarine


    Looking into calling an EGM shortly.

    The issue is not the damage that has been done, the issue is with Mr X remaining in the building.

    There's no point in repairing any damage, if he's going to do more.
    The management company have offered to steam clean carpets, but whats the point if he just urinates all over the place once it's been cleaned.

    Ultimately, in order for any of the other 4 apartments to rentable, he needs to leave.

    But as noted, a court eviction will take a long time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭ScottStorm



    There's no point in repairing any damage, if he's going to do more.
    The management company have offered to steam clean carpets, but whats the point if he just urinates all over the place once it's been cleaned.

    The point is that once the bill for this work is sent to the landlord it pressures them to take action / apply pressure to the council.

    As it stands the landlord continues to take in money each month and could care less about the other residents or property owners.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭superfish


    The world has gone soft sick of reading stuff like this and every one talking about the legal route if it were my house let's just say Mr x would be introduced to the business end of my baseball bat


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭Flatzie_poo


    superfish wrote: »
    The world has gone soft sick of reading stuff like this and every one talking about the legal route if it were my house let's just say Mr x would be introduced to the business end of my baseball bat

    If he goes that route OP is just as bad IMO... it's nice to keep high morals.

    I don't the situation either, but that's not the answer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭superfish


    If he goes that route OP is just as bad IMO... it's nice to keep high morals.

    I don't the situation either, but that's not the answer.

    im just sick of these dirty scum bags treating people this way and the law doing nothing to help ,im sorry to say but if the law wont help then I would take it into my own hands, people in this country have gone soft and let the government walk all over us we would not be in such a sorry state of affairs if more people had a bit of backbone and stood up for what they believe in


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Violence is not the answer to this situation,
    i bet he,ll move on to another flat,
    and do the same thing .
    The council is responsible, under the ras scheme the landlord does not interview the tenant , he just gets paid rent for a set amount of time.I heard of a situation where a landlord just moved 2 men into a flat,
    and played music loud to encourage a tenant to leave.
    The tenant left of his own free will without being threatened in any way.
    This person needs to live in a single unit ,
    he is not capable of sharing a building with other people or behaving in a
    normal way.
    Maybe the council could rent a small house for him .
    The council is at fault for renting an apartment for this person .
    This person may be on disability allowance ,he may be on medication .
    I don,t think the council will rent a flat for a young male
    on the dole .
    I know of a single man on disability allowance age 50,
    he lives in a 2bed council house .


  • Posts: 24,714 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    riclad wrote: »
    Maybe the council could rent a small house for him ..

    Maybe the council could wash their hands of him if their was any justice and let him fend for himself. Tax payers funding this scumbags life, living alone in a nice apartment or get him a house while the working population are struggling to pay rent and mortgages. Its sickens me to the bone and I agree with the other poster, this person needs a taste of his own medicine. High morals will wind you up like the people in this apartment block, intimidated, afraid and their building being destroyed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭dori_dormer


    You also need to be encouraging everyone in the building to call the guards every time an incident happens. The management company need to also send letters describing antisocial behaviour and demanding action from the landlord and council.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    I believe he has a medical issue ,is maybe on disability ,
    the council do not rent out apartments for healthy young single men .
    take photo,s of all the damage, write down everything that happens.
    in case you wish to bring a legal case against the council for loss of income
    and compensation for the damage to the building.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Purplerose


    It really is a sad state of affairs with a person like that can't just be thrown out on the side of the street as its all they deserve.

    I really feel for you op that stuff like this can just be let drag on and on.


    His behaviour is very strange. This person sounds like they have ongoing mental issues that need to be addressed, so throwing them out on the streets will help no one,many people on the streets have ongoing mental illness and I imagine this would only distance this person from any help available to him. If the council are aware of his behaviour I wonder is there any social services they can provide, sounds like he is a danger to himself and society and needs help


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    IF the council asked me to rent an apartment to someone i would not take a single person,
    unless he was over 60 .
    i know a landlord near athlone ,rents out a 3bed house to 1 person age 65 under the ras scheme .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    riclad wrote: »
    Violence is not the answer to this situation,
    i bet he,ll move on to another flat,
    and do the same thing .
    The council is responsible, under the ras scheme the landlord does not interview the tenant , he just gets paid rent for a set amount of time.I heard of a situation where a landlord just moved 2 men into a flat,
    and played music loud to encourage a tenant to leave.
    The tenant left of his own free will without being threatened in any way.
    This person needs to live in a single unit ,
    he is not capable of sharing a building with other people or behaving in a
    normal way.
    Maybe the council could rent a small house for him .
    The council is at fault for renting an apartment for this person .
    This person may be on disability allowance ,he may be on medication .
    I don,t think the council will rent a flat for a young male
    on the dole .
    I know of a single man on disability allowance age 50,
    he lives in a 2bed council house .

    Your thinking of the long term leasing scheme. Under RAS the landlord picks the tenant


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Purplerose wrote: »
    His behaviour is very strange. This person sounds like they have ongoing mental issues that need to be addressed, so throwing them out on the streets will help no one,many people on the streets have ongoing mental illness and I imagine this would only distance this person from any help available to him. If the council are aware of his behaviour I wonder is there any social services they can provide, sounds like he is a danger to himself and society and needs help

    It will help the landlord who is loosing thousands because of this scumbag. Its easy to say it will help no one but the OP has already said people have left their homes in fear of their lives because of him. Their rights were infringed to much an extent that one was assulted. He must go one way or another and the PC crowd can house him


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭Flatzie_poo


    might bring some shame in him.

    If he's relieving himself in corridors I think shame is the last thing he's worried about...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭Chemical Byrne


    If I was annoying neighbours and one of them went to my parents and I heard it back I would be absolutely mortified beyond belief.

    What age is this guy op?
    What are his circumstances and what sort of background do you suspect he's from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    This person has issues, maybe he has a mental problem,
    or is on methadone.Or using some other drugs.
    The council is at fault for renting him an apartment .
    He might be ok, if he was living in a ground floor flat, with his own front door.Where he could not interfere with other people .
    But its possible theres no suitable flats avaidable in the area
    and they do not wish to rent out a small house for 1 person.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Purplerose


    Ya I get that and of course it is totally unfair to the landlord and other tenants to put up with this guys behaviour .i just think the attitude of throw him out the street is not right! He needs to be somewhere that matches his needs and that place is not it so I think going to the council or welfare to get them to put him in more suitable accommodation is best. I know it's not the op or the tenants or anyone here's responsibility to get this guy help. But mayb gettin the council to see that he needs help is better than just sayin you want him out. And the whole 'the pc' crowd can house him is just ignorant! Just looking for a better solution than turf him out on the streets!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Purplerose


    It's pretty silly that the council won't rent it out for you cos they fear they won't be ab,e to fill it cos of his behaviour, is the solution not obvious that they need to move him on then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Purplerose wrote: »
    Ya I get that and of course it is totally unfair to the landlord and other tenants to put up with this guys behaviour .i just think the attitude of throw him out the street is not right! He needs to be somewhere that matches his needs and that place is not it so I think going to the council or welfare to get them to put him in more suitable accommodation is best. I know it's not the op or the tenants or anyone here's responsibility to get this guy help. But mayb gettin the council to see that he needs help is better than just sayin you want him out. And the whole 'the pc' crowd can house him is just ignorant! Just looking for a better solution than turf him out on the streets!

    Your solution is have a chat and sure maybe the council will do somthing . I can assume you have never dealth with the council, all the while this muppet costs everyone else to suffer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,292 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    It really is a sad state of affairs with a person like that can't just be thrown out on the side of the street as its all they deserve.

    Until Mr X dies, this is a zero-sum game: if he's not able to get private sector rental, then he will have to be re-housed elsehwere. It's not acceptable to the Irish population to leave mentally ill people who want to be housed to live under hedges any more.

    Maybe the council could wash their hands of him if their was any justice and let him fend for himself. Tax payers funding this scumbags life, living alone in a nice apartment or get him a house while the working population are struggling to pay rent and mortgages. Its sickens me to the bone and I agree with the other poster, this person needs a taste of his own medicine.

    Mr X's behaviour is extremely difficult, I agree.

    But healthy people just do not behave that way. He most likely has serious mental health difficulties, and it sickens me to the bone that you think it's acceptable to just chuck vulnerable people like that out onto the street.


    If the council are responsible then they are liable for antisocial behaviour which they seem to except. Pop them a solicitors letter for compensation

    OP, this post is starting to go towards an approach that might help.

    Mr X's current housing is clearly unsuitable for his needs.

    The council, together with the HSE, obviously need some encouragement to get busy finding him accommodation and support that is suitable for his needs. Getting them to do this will will probably need some kind of financial motivation, unless you can find a political lever that works.

    Another option is to go down the publicity route - but this can be fraught, as public sympathy for landlords vs vulnerable people can be limited. Remember: you are seeing Mr X's behaviour, not the reasons for it. His story can almost certainly be spun in a very different light, which is more likely to sell more newspapers than your brothers.



    Yes, it sucks that public funding has to be used in this way. And yes, his behaviour does not justify him getting stand-alone housing.

    But it also sucks that we have suck a large population of individuals who were so badly damaged by State institutions that they act in this sort of way. It sucks that we have so many people with fetal alcohol damage because of poor medical advice over the years. Etc. Ranting about how bad this all is will not help the OP's brother fix his problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,189 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    If he goes that route OP is just as bad IMO... it's nice to keep high morals.

    I don't the situation either, but that's not the answer.

    The thing is taking the moral high ground achieves nothing when dealing with basically a scumbag who has no regard for anything or anyone.
    Purplerose wrote: »
    His behaviour is very strange. This person sounds like they have ongoing mental issues that need to be addressed, so throwing them out on the streets will help no one,many people on the streets have ongoing mental illness and I imagine this would only distance this person from any help available to him. If the council are aware of his behaviour I wonder is there any social services they can provide, sounds like he is a danger to himself and society and needs help

    Ahh the poor pet.
    FFS what about the mental health of his victims who have to live beside him.
    I am tired of this shyteology of always seeing the perpetrators of crime and anti social behaviour as some form of victims.

    The real victims are the poor people suffering because they are living next door to him.
    Purplerose wrote: »
    Ya I get that and of course it is totally unfair to the landlord and other tenants to put up with this guys behaviour .i just think the attitude of throw him out the street is not right! He needs to be somewhere that matches his needs and that place is not it so I think going to the council or welfare to get them to put him in more suitable accommodation is best.

    By the sounds of it a cowbarn or stables would probably best match his need to urinate anywhere.
    Purplerose wrote: »
    I know it's not the op or the tenants or anyone here's responsibility to get this guy help. But mayb gettin the council to see that he needs help is better than just sayin you want him out. And the whole 'the pc' crowd can house him is just ignorant! Just looking for a better solution than turf him out on the streets!

    I seriously wonder if some people have any life experience or a grasp on reality.
    I think we are doomed as a society if certain mindsets are allowed prevail.

    OP pester councillors not just the counil, pester the guards and see if he can be arrested for threatening behaviour and/or drugs.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭RoyalMarine


    Thanks for all the advise so far.

    To clarify, the council rent the apartment Mr X is in long term, so the landlord has no say who gets placed there.

    Our apartment was rented under the RAS scheme, so we had some input in the selection process

    The Council know he's an issue, but they don't want to deal with it, as in their view, they have found an apartment for him, and it's a swift 2 middle fingers to the rest of the apartment owners.

    We looked into an EGM. There are 3 buildings, with 4 apartments in each.
    None of the other 3 buildings are being affected by Mr X living here.

    There is an elderly woman on the top floor, who is scared to death of him. But she's currently in the process of being moved.
    The apartment she is in is also long term rented by the council.
    There is a couple in another apartment, who are keeping to themselves, and are planning to move out.

    Then there is our apartment and the one Mr X is in.

    Based on all of this, calling an EGM will have very little benefit as any vote to take action will be rejected since it's going to
    A. cost money
    B. Take a long time to sort out
    C. Probably end up going through the courts to get him evicted.


    Gardai have been aware of every incident since he moved in, yet they can't do anything, as every time he's arrested, he's shortly released.

    Yes, your right, he probably suffers from mental illnesses, and this might explain his behaviour and why he gets released.

    We are now at a fork in the road.

    Continue looking for mediation between the Council, management company, owner of the apartment and the Gardai.

    Or drive the f**ker nuts so he moves out. (Using legal methods only).. We will not resort to doing what he does, or cause physical harm. (although, it's tempting...)

    At this point, damage is already done. We just want him out.

    Option 2 seems very reasonable at this stage, as it will probably be the faster of the choices we can see being available.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Purplerose


    "I seriously wonder if some people have any life experience or a grasp on reality.
    I think we are doomed as a society if certain mindsets are allowed prevail."

    I would also worry for our society's future if your aggressive and uncompassionate approach to society's difficulties was the main model


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    I assume most residents/owners are respectable and of good standing in the community? And this guy is batshÃ႒¬t crazy?
    Maybe a couple of ye could report to the council & gaurds that he has become very violent and has held one or two of ye up with knifes, and made death threats? They'll surely take yer word over his and take some action. Threaten to phone Joe Duffy or the local radio equivalents in your area.

    Could your contact in the council find out if he has family in the area. Perhaps he could get a name and address and you could inform his parents & siblings what their wonderful angel is up to, it might bring some shame on him.

    report to the gardai that he's held them up with knives? You know making false statements like that is against the law, right?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭RoyalMarine


    I'm thinking a timer plug, with a stereo with a nice subwoofer connected to it across the kitchen floor playing something loud from 7am - 11pm (social hours) 7 days a week.

    Since he sleeps from 4am - 2pm, this will get a nice reaction.

    We will add extra locks and protection to windows and the front door, to prevent entry, but also setup a camera inside in case anything happens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    Purplerose wrote: »
    "I seriously wonder if some people have any life experience or a grasp on reality.
    I think we are doomed as a society if certain mindsets are allowed prevail."

    I would also worry for our society's future if your aggressive and uncompassionate approach to society's difficulties was the main model

    It's not "societies difficulties". It's an individual who's criminal behaviour has driven people from their homes and cost people a fortune. While I agree no one should go down the road of a violent solution, it's clear the legal path is favouring the aggressor in this situation.

    Would you be so forgiving if it was you or a someone in your family was assaulted by this person and driven from their home? The OP is asking for help on resolving his situation, not help for the perpetrator. Why don't you invite him into your home?

    To the OP: What about making this a bit more of a public issue? Have you tried talking to your local TD about it or even raising this with the local media? It's possible the extra attention will pressure the council into a better resolution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    Is there any way you can sue for loss of earnings?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭Flatzie_poo


    Have you tried talking to your local TD about it or even raising this with the local media? It's possible the extra attention will pressure the council into a better resolution.

    In OP's opening post...


    "We have been pleading with the Gardai, County Council, local TD's and the management company of the apartment block, but each time we are met with further delays, excuses, in-ability to do anything.!"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    In OP's opening post...


    "We have been pleading with the Gardai, County Council, local TD's and the management company of the apartment block, but each time we are met with further delays, excuses, in-ability to do anything.!"

    Ok so the local TD's yes but would the local media help? I'm not sure if it would but it's the only thing I can think of at this point.
    This guy is an aggressive criminal and does not deserve to be living in an apartment building with law abiding people if he is going to terrorise them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭dori_dormer


    At the very least the common areas need to be fixed by the management company. It's a disgrace to leave urine in carpets/ on doors. Then it's up to the management company to recoup the money. What do you think you are paying them for?

    The other buildings should be on board, they never know if someone unsavoury will be moved into their block and they'll need the help of the funds.

    Definitly call an egm. The whole unit could get a bad name from this one guy, people might not want to leave near him at all, rents could go down etc.

    It's in the interests of all owners to sort this. You could also invite a representative of the council to the agm to hear the complaints?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    I'm thinking a timer plug, with a stereo with a nice subwoofer connected to it across the kitchen floor playing something loud from 7am - 11pm (social hours) 7 days a week.

    Since he sleeps from 4am - 2pm, this will get a nice reaction.

    We will add extra locks and protection to windows and the front door, to prevent entry, but also setup a camera inside in case anything happens.

    Escalating a situation is always the wrong decision. Escalating a situation with somebody who is clearly nuts and has all the time in the world is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.


  • Posts: 24,714 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Until Mr X dies, this is a zero-sum game: if he's not able to get private sector rental, then he will have to be re-housed elsehwere. It's not acceptable to the Irish population to leave mentally ill people who want to be housed to live under hedges any more.



    Mr X's behaviour is extremely difficult, I agree.

    But healthy people just do not behave that way. He most likely has serious mental health difficulties, and it sickens me to the bone that you think it's acceptable to just chuck vulnerable people like that out onto the street.

    This is just excuses, the same excuses the council are probably feeding the op while people are being harassed in their homes and living in fear. He needs to be dealt with either chucked out on the street or locked up somewhere where he will not get away with any of his antics.

    Its hilarious that you use the term vulnerable towards him rather than the elderly woman he is harassing. If that woman were a relation of mine this situation would never have gone on this long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,580 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    superfish wrote: »
    The world has gone soft sick of reading stuff like this and every one talking about the legal route if it were my house let's just say Mr x would be introduced to the business end of my baseball bat
    Advocating violence is not acceptable. Constructive posts only.

    Do not respond to this post.

    Moderator


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭sillysmiles


    Originally Posted by Mrs OBumble
    But healthy people just do not behave that way. He most likely has serious mental health difficulties, and it sickens me to the bone that you think it's acceptable to just chuck vulnerable people like that out onto the street.

    Someone having mental difficulties does not necessarily make them vulnerable. This individual is accommodated at the states expense and clearly is engaging in illegal activities. To assume that because it is not what you would do or what you would expect from other people does not necessarily mean he has a mental illness - he may simply be a bad fu*ker with no respect for anyone who expects the world to pay for and tolerate his crap.

    OP I have no idea how you deal with this, except that you need to become more of a nuisance to the council than rehoming the tenant is.


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