97 dead in suicide attacks in Turkish capital Ankara

Boring username

Two explosions have ripped through a pro-Kurdish peace rally in the Turkish capital of Ankara, leaving at least 97 people dead and up to 400 injured.

Witnesses described how the blast shook the ground at the road junction near the main train station in the centre of the Turkish capital Ankara, leaving body parts and debris all over the road.

Video footage has since emerged of protesters holding hands and dancing together just as the bomb is detonated in the background at 10:05 am.

Seconds later, the blast tore through the crowd of people, maiming dozens of innocent bystanders.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267368/Two-explosions-hit-pro-Kurdish-peace-rally-leaving-20-people-dead-Turkish-capital-Ankara.html


The security situation is decaying rapidly in Turkey-there could well be an open civil war after this attack. I can't see the Kurds letting this one go.

tomwaterford

Boring username wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267368/Two-explosions-hit-pro-Kurdish-peace-rally-leaving-20-people-dead-Turkish-capital-Ankara.html


The security situation is decaying rapidly in Turkey-there could well be an open civil war after this attack. I can't see the Kurds letting this one go.

It should be interesting to see who claims this!

As afaik Kurds are doing a lot of fighting vs isis...either way...if people winge about refugees coming to Europe before now...if civil war breaks out in Turkey their is literally millions of refugees there

No mind the chaos it'll cause in the middle east

Fleawuss

Terribly unstable region between Kurds and Muslim factions and Mr Putin sending jets into Turkish / NATO airspace. Stabilization for the sake of Europe is needed. Your holiday destinations need careful thought anymore.

Boring username

Fleawuss wrote: »

Terribly unstable region between Kurds and Muslim factions and Mr Putin sending jets into Turkish / NATO airspace. Stabilization for the sake of Europe is needed. Your holiday destinations need careful thought anymore.

Things are about to get a lot, lot worse. Reports are filtering through that Turkey has shot down a Russian fighter jet:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267595/Russian-jet-shot-Turkish-forces-flew-country-s-airspace.html

riffmongous

Rip, so many dead

The international community needs to demand that some answers as to who did this

My name is URL

Boring username wrote: »

Things are about to get a lot, lot worse. Reports are filtering through that Turkey has shot down a Russian fighter jet:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267595/Russian-jet-shot-Turkish-forces-flew-country-s-airspace.html

Daily Mail

"Unconfirmed reports"

"Eyewitnesses on social media"

"Rumours of a jet being shot"

"spokesman for Nato said it had so far received no reports of a plane being shot down"

Seems legit

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

It should be interesting to see who claims this!

As afaik Kurds are doing a lot of fighting vs isis...either way...if people winge about refugees coming to Europe before now...if civil war breaks out in Turkey their is literally millions of refugees there

No mind the chaos it'll cause in the middle east

Civil war in Turkey won't happen, it's a NATO nation with a very powerful military and stable civilian democratic government. Equating Kurdish dissent to a Turkish civil is the same as equating the troubles to a British civil war.

BlaasForRafa

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Civil war in Turkey won't happen, it's a NATO nation with a very powerful military and stable civilian democratic government. Equating Kurdish dissent to a Turkish civil is the same as equating the troubles to a British civil war.

Turkey used to be a stable democracy but has been getting steadily more islamist under Erdogan's rule. It's starting to turn into just another middle eastern sh**hole. It's gotten a free pass for decades because it's a Nato member despite invading Cyprus and oppressing the Kurds in it's own country.

I saw the footage of the attack on the news and it's disgusting to attack a peaceful protest like this. I wonder if it was outside forces like Daesh carried it out or if there was some turkish government intelligence service plotting involved.

Iwasfrozen

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Turkey used to be a stable democracy but has been getting steadily more islamist under Erdogan's rule. It's starting to turn into just another middle eastern sh**hole. It's gotten a free pass for decades because it's a Nato member despite invading Cyprus and oppressing the Kurds in it's own country.

I saw the footage of the attack on the news and it's disgusting to attack a peaceful protest like this. I wonder if it was outside forces like Daesh carried it out or if there was some turkish government intelligence service plotting involved.

Turkey's military has traditionally dealt with politicians who try to push the country away from Ataturk's secularism. I don't think Erdogan will be any different if he goes too far and he knows it.

I agree the attack was disgusting but we as of yet have no idea who it was. Speculation at this stage is pointless.

BlaasForRafa

Boring username wrote: »

Things are about to get a lot, lot worse. Reports are filtering through that Turkey has shot down a Russian fighter jet:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267595/Russian-jet-shot-Turkish-forces-flew-country-s-airspace.html

Daily Fail are not a particularly reliable source.

According to the Daily Express, one journalist tweeted that three Turkish planes had been responding to 'mysterious' lock-ons from MIG-29 jets, which are used by Putin's forces.

The reports from Syria from the last few weeks indicate that Russia has used Sukhoi planes, namely the Su-24, 25, 30 and 34 in Syria. On the other hand though Mig-29's are being used by the Syrian air force.

NachoBusiness

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Daily Fail are not a particularly reliable source.

Yes they are..

In any case, they are making it quite clear that the reports that are coming in are unconfirmed.

Express is also saying as much:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/611157/Russia-Turkey-jet-plane-shot-down-airspace-Syria-ISIS-Islamic-State

Boring username

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Daily Fail are not a particularly reliable source.



The reports from Syria from the last few weeks indicate that Russia has used Sukhoi planes, namely the Su-24, 25, 30 and 34 in Syria. On the other hand though Mig-29's are being used by the Syrian air force.

Haven't the Russian supplied a few pilots to fly the Migs? I recall seeing that somewhere during the week.

NachoBusiness

New York Times reporting it now:

ISTANBUL — Two devastating explosions struck Saturday morning in the heart of Ankara, the Turkish capital, killing more than 80 people who had gathered for a peace rally and heightening tensions just three weeks before snap parliamentary elections.

At least 86 people were killed and 186 were wounded, said the health minister, Mehmet Muezzinoglu.

The blasts, which appeared to be the deadliest terrorist attack in modern Turkey’s history, occurred near Ankara’s main train station just as groups of Kurds and leftists planned to march to protest the recent resumption of armed conflict between the Turkish state and Kurdish militants. It is a conflict that has been waged for nearly three decades, but in recent times the two sides seemed on the path to peace.

BlaasForRafa

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Yes they are..

In any case, they are making it quite clear that the reports that are coming in are unconfirmed.

Express is also saying as much:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/611157/Russia-Turkey-jet-plane-shot-down-airspace-Syria-ISIS-Islamic-State

Lol the Daily Fail are a reliable source, hilarious. And then you quote the Express, another useless tabloid.

btw the Express illustrated their piece with a picture of a Mig-29 from the POLISH air force. Shows how much research they do eh.

BlaasForRafa

Boring username wrote: »

Haven't the Russian supplied a few pilots to fly the Migs? I recall seeing that somewhere during the week.

Possibly, Soviet pilots flew for North Korea, North Vietnam and Egypt during their various cold war conflicts so it's something they have form for.

NachoBusiness

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Lol the Daily Fail are a reliable source, hilarious.

It's the Daily Mail and they are an excellent source for breaking news, probably the best and fastest online.

They were to first to report that these news stories were circulating on social media weren't they, and made it clear the reports were unconfirmed,

Needless DM sneering as ever.

Autonomous Cowherd

It's been a terrible day all round
Very unstable the world situation seems.........

Junkyard Tom

Evil cowardly scumbags attacking a peace march.

asherbassad

:cool::cool:

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Civil war in Turkey won't happen, it's a NATO Muslim nation with a very powerful military and stable civilian democratic government. Equating Kurdish dissent to a Turkish civil is the same as equating the troubles to a British civil war.

FYP :pac:

Nodin

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Evil cowardly scumbags attacking a peace march.

Indeed, whatever shower are behind it.

tomwaterford

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Needless DM sneering as ever.

No such thing :pac:



It's laughed at for a good reason...the only thing worse is some of the articles/essays that appear on the indo website

gobsh!te

NachoBusiness wrote: »

It's the Daily Mail and they are an excellent source for breaking news, probably the best and fastest online.

They were to first to report that these news stories were circulating on social media weren't they, and made it clear the reports were unconfirmed,

Needless DM sneering as ever.

This is the same as calling someone racist.
It is in fact judging a book by its cover.

Judge articles on their content I say, not on who wrote them. Only backward morons would disagree with that.

Nodin wrote: »

Indeed, whatever shower are behind it.

CNN actually offer the possibility that it could be Kurdish separatists...what a joke....

puckmymuskie

I'd take all the kurds no problem.

Iwasfrozen

Nodin wrote: »

Indeed, whatever shower are behind it.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Evil cowardly scumbags attacking a peace march.

Irony overload

Junkyard Tom

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Irony overload

You have a awfully poor understanding of irony.

Now that's irony.

gobsh!te

puckmymuskie wrote: »

I'd take all the kurds no problem.

The Kurds are a great people.

old_aussie

Will the Prophecies of Nostradamus come true

Nuclear confrontation in the Middle East

A major nuclear confrontation will occur in the Middle East. The aggressor will have broken a promise not to use nuclear weapons in warfare. Naval fleets kept in the area by other powers will be scattered in ruins from the violence of the blast.

http://www.tedmontgomery.com/bblovrvw/Endtimes/Nostradamus/05.html

FURET

old_aussie wrote: »

Will the Prophecies of Nostradamus come true

no

Iwasfrozen

old_aussie wrote: »

Will the Prophecies of Nostradamus come true

Nuclear confrontation in the Middle East

A major nuclear confrontation will occur in the Middle East. The aggressor will have broken a promise not to use nuclear weapons in warfare. Naval fleets kept in the area by other powers will be scattered in ruins from the violence of the blast.

http://www.tedmontgomery.com/bblovrvw/Endtimes/Nostradamus/05.html

I'm no expert on Nostrodamus but I highly doubt he would have said "bacteriological", "Hitler"or "nuclear"

Nodin

old_aussie wrote: »

Will the Prophecies of Nostradamus come true
...........

No, as they're a crock.

Guy:Incognito

So how bad is god going to let things get before he climbs off whatever heavenly stripper hes dug himself in to, comes down and tells all his followers who believes in the proper one and puts an end to all this ****?

Though I suppose allowing people to have their own free will to murder,rape and pillage their way around the world is more important than 10 minutes of enlightenment and a lot more peace so thats the true "proof" that he exists :rolleyes:

Iwasfrozen

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So how bad is god going to let things get before he climbs off whatever heavenly stripper hes dug himself in to, comes down and tells all his followers who believes in the proper one and puts an end to all this ****?

Though I suppose allowing people to have their own free will to murder,rape and pillage their way around the world is more important than 10 minutes of enlightenment and a lot more peace so thats the true "proof" that he exists :rolleyes:

The Kurds are Sunni Muslim, this isn't about what religion is correct, it's about the formation of a Kurdish state.

Guy:Incognito

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The Kurds are Sunni Muslim, this isn't about what religion is correct, it's about the formation of a Kurdish state.

Its all borne out of the same ****storm though.


The "I cant get along with you ****ers cos my version of the stories is a bit different from yours" is an extension of "my god is real and yours isnt"

circadian

The Turkish Government broke the truce with the Kurds during the summer. Bombing Kurdish fighters in Syria along with IS fighters was absolute madness to be honest. Yes it scores points with Turkish nationalists in the run up to an election but to attack what is effectively your 'buffer zone' seems completely thoughtless.

I feel sorry for the Turkish people because their government has brought conflict back at a time of massive instability, purely for political point scoring. I can't see IS pushing into Turkey but I can see them increasing terrorist attacks. It's good to see that there is clearly a movement for peace with the Kurds and obviously people see this as an important issue to resolve , not only for themselves as a nation but to defend against IS.

wakka12

Targeting a peace rally..despicable

DeadHand

People should take a good look at this- this is Europe's future.

This murderous zealotry is already here and will only gain a greater foothold as the suicidal policy of importing masses of young, Sunni Muslim men continues.

Suicide bombing in the name of Islam- coming to a street near you.

Nodin

DeadHand wrote: »

People should take a good look at this- this is Europe's future.

This murderous zealotry is already here and will only gain a greater foothold as the suicidal policy of importing masses of young, Sunni Muslim men continues.

Suicide bombing in the name of Islam- coming to a street near you.

Blinkered xenophobic nonsense. A great number of those killed were likely of the Sunni sect.

Gatling

In wonder will we see turkey push into syria and set up the buffer zone they suggested a few months back

circadian

Gatling wrote: »

In wonder will we see turkey push into syria and set up the buffer zone they suggested a few months back

The Kurds were their buffer zone, the Turks bombed them.

BlaasForRafa

NachoBusiness wrote: »

It's the Daily Mail and they are an excellent source for breaking news, probably the best and fastest online.

They were to first to report that these news stories were circulating on social media weren't they, and made it clear the reports were unconfirmed,

Needless DM sneering as ever.

Fast doesn't mean right. Putting out any oul rumour that you see on twitter is not news. 24 hours on and still no confirmation of this, no photos of wreckage, nothing.

There's a reason why people sneer at the Daily Fail, it's because too often they put out sensationalist crap without doing their research and checking their facts.

DeadHand

circadian wrote: »

The Kurds were their buffer zone, the Turks bombed them.

The Kurds have been the buffer of civilisation itself, not just Turkey.

The Turks have behaved deplorably since the ISIS crisis first arose. What can one expect with an Islamist at the helm? Hope the military throw him out on his ear for humanity's sake.

FURET

Nodin wrote: »

Blinkered xenophobic nonsense.

Given what we've experienced in Europe over the past decade from resident Sunnis, it seems nonsense to presume it won't happen in either Paris, or London, or some other European city over the next decade. It's hardly controversial to say that there's an unquantified Sunni fifth column in almost every western European country at this point. Can reality be blinkered xenophobic nonsense?

Gatling

FURET wrote: »

Given what we've experienced in Europe over the past decade from resident Sunnis, it seems nonsense to presume it won't happen in either Paris, or London, or some other European city over the next decade. It's hardly controversial to say that there's an unquantified Sunni fifth column in almost every western European country at this point. Can reality be blinkered xenophobic nonsense?

5th columns a little conspiracy theory or Kremlin playbook

FURET

FURET wrote: »

Given what we've experienced in Europe over the past decade from resident Sunnis, it seems nonsense to presume it won't happen in either Paris, or London, or some other European city over the next decade. It's hardly controversial to say that there's an unquantified Sunni fifth column in almost every western European country at this point. Can reality be blinkered xenophobic nonsense?

Sadly it only took five weeks.

mcmoustache

Gatling wrote: »

5th columns a little conspiracy theory or Kremlin playbook

Nothing to worry about then. Oh wait...