QB vs QB Debates. Who is HOF? Who Isn't? Who is better?

Morrison J

Brady is the current greatest ever imo but I expect Rodgers to pass him out once he gets another ring or two.

I would rank current qbs legacys

1.brady
2.manning
3.brees
4.big Ben
5.rodgers
6.eli
7.romo
8.rivers
9.wilson

Can't think of anyone else worth listing yet

Billy86

Brees and Ben above Rodgers?

Billy86

Billy86 wrote: »

Brees and Ben above Rodgers?

Body of work for now I would imagine Rodgers passed them out

Billy86

Axl Large Liquor wrote: »

Body of work for now I would imagine Rodgers passed them out

I could understand Brees in regards to bulk stats etc; still can't agree on Ben though!

Billy86

Billy86 wrote: »

I could understand Brees in regards to bulk stats etc; still can't agree on Ben though!

I'm a big Big Ben fan in fairness but for now I would have him ahead I was uming and awing about that one though

eagle eye

Morrison J wrote: »

Brady is the current greatest ever imo but I expect Rodgers to pass him out once he gets another ring or two.

This exactly, Rodgers becomes the GOAT with a ring less than Tom Brady imo. He has to get another two to make it there though, if he doesn't get anymore rings he will just be another great QB.

Son Of A Vidic

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

If I'm starting a franchise in the morning I want Rodgers.
If I've a one-off game in the morning I want Brady.

Brady has the regular season stats, the post season stats, the rings and the longevity. Rodgers has all the tools to be in the discussion for GOAT in 10 years time, but he has to put together a serious body of work to overtake Brady.

I agree and for me it boils down to consistency and there's nobody in the league past or present, that has done it so much in the regular season and post season, the way Brady has. I witnessed the Montana era and I was nearly a Niners fan because of him. And I never thought I see another QB surpass what he did so brilliantly, but I have. Brady has smashed all his records and bar an unexplainable drop from Assante Samuel (2007), when he had his two hands on the ball, a freak catch from Tyree (2007) and maybe having a fit Gronk (2011) and Brady could have 6 rings. Up until February I had Montana & Brady neck & neck. And while Brady had more & better numbers during his career, I didn't want to discard Montana who was the first player I idolised years ago. But Brady's amazing performance against the Seahawks ended the debate for me.

I thought the 85 Bears were the most dominant defense I'd ever seen, but the Seahawks defense in recent years have surpassed them. They destroyed Manning in 2013 Superbowl but in 2014 Brady did what no other QB in the league has done - when it really mattered he just carved them up. And here was a QB doing it 10 years after his last win, which has never happened before. It just demonstrated the longevity and consistence of Brady. And he did what Montana never did, he won his rings without elite WR's and with different WR's corps. Brady won his rings irrespective of who he was throwing the ball to, he didn't have a Moss or a Gronk in 2002,2003, or in 2004.

For me, to be in the GOAT discussion you need to have consistently done it in the regular season and post season and I believe that applies to any sport. I look at snooker, Jimmy White (along with O'Sullivan) is probably the most naturally gifted player to ever grace the game. One of the greatest? Absolutely. The GOAT? No way and Why? Well because he just lost too many big games, he lost too many World finals, lost his nerve and cracked and to be a GOAT you can't have a record of doing that.

That's how I view Peyton, undoubtedly one of the greatest QB's ever, but he gets nowhere near Montana or Brady. If Brady retired tomorrow, the only QB in the league that I would be interested or want is Rodgers. But if he is going to be in a GOAT discussion someday, he needs to do more consistent work in the postseason. In Brady, I've never seen a QB who has consistently displayed so much ice in his veins and so much mental strength. From the game where he first shocked The Greatest Show On Turf, to last February's amazing SB where he neutered The Legion Of Boom. Let's also not forget one very unique thing, Brady was a 6th round 199th pick in the draft. If there's one QB whose story and career is going to have a Hollywood movie made about him, it's TB12.

Hulk Hands

eagle eye wrote: »

Up until Brady won his fourth ring I had Montana as the GOAT but Brady for me is better when you consider how poorly the receivers he has played with fared when they went elsewhere in the league.

Fairly sure ive seen you call Brady the GOAT at least a couple of times before January? I remember because at the time I disagreed (probably don't anymore)

eagle eye

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Fairly sure ive seen you call Brady the GOAT at least a couple of times before January? I remember because at the time I disagreed (probably don't anymore)

Ah you get carried away sometimes after a big performance from the man but if you talked to me when I wasn't watching football I would have told you that Montana is still the GOAT up until Brady won his fourth ring. I'm a Patriots fan and I love Tom Brady so I'm going to get carried away after I see him put in a clutch performance and pull a win out that very few others are capable of doing.

LuckyLloyd

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=5449

I always think this article is a good one for those interested in this kind of debate. Basically, teammates matter a great deal.