New Skoda Superb - should I use the VW scandal to get more off

toe_knee

Hi, I have bought a new Skoda Superb 1.6 diesel and it is arriving next week. Do you think that with all that is going on with the VW diesel engines at the minute I should be able to negotiate a better price?

Deposit is paid but this news has broken since the car was ordered so would I be entitled to a refund if deposit?

ianobrien

You can chance it (a dumb priest never got a parish) but I reckon you are wasting your time. The problems are with US 2.0 diesels with the EA188 engine code, and you are getting a 1.6 EU Spec diesel.

Bigcheeze

toe_knee wrote: »

Hi, I have bought a new Skoda Superb 1.6 diesel and it is arriving next week. Do you think that with all that is going on with the VW diesel engines at the minute I should be able to negotiate a better price?

Deposit is paid but this news has broken since the car was ordered so would I be entitled to a refund if deposit?

Not if your engine isn't affected.

5W30

Of course you can, we are talking about a car brand that said "fcuk people's health, let's make easy money". Tell them it's a pile of scam sh*te :pac:

toe_knee

"A Volkswagen Group spokesman said the turbodiesel engine in question comes in three variants: 2-litre, 1.6-litre and a 1.2-litre three-cylinder version."

The 1.6 is in the mix

punisher5112

Euro6 diesel latest model engines are not affected.

Op check out which one yours will be.

rwbug

You should be asking if the engine you are buying is one of the affected. If it is you should either cancel or renegotiate for very large discount. Values and resale values of vw group diesels could be affected for years.

toe_knee

Just had a look and it is a Euro 6 engine. I am trading in a euro 5 so maybe I should stay quite

dingding

The brand is damaged. Regardless if the engine is one of the effected ones or not. I would be looking for a discount or a different make.

Jaketherake

Ask if the car now goes into a new tax band because of this scandal will they pay the difference for the life of the car.

delly

Even if the engine that the op is getting now isn't effected, it doesn't rule out it being discovered as effected next week or next month. When dealing with a company who have deliberately deceived, nothing can be ruled out.

I'd chance your arm, with biggest emphasis on reduced future value, as at this stage the crisis is still emerging with future effects unknown.

Neilw

Buy a petrol one

toe_knee

The dilema I have now that if I go in to try negotiate a better deal they could come back with the fact that the car I am trading in is the one with the issue so is wort less and offer me less for it

delly

toe_knee wrote: »

The dilema I have now that if I go in to try negotiate a better deal they could come back with the fact that the car I am trading in is the one with the issue so is wort less and offer me less for it

If a salesman even uttered those words, he'd be committing brand suicide imho. There's nothing to stop you having a go, but I'd be extremely surprised if they tried to alter the trade in value.

blinding

This brand is seriously damaged, you are buying a car that does not have the value that it had before the scandal.

Volkswagon conned you and many others.

Buy another brand. Hopefully they are not crooks like the Germans.

damo86

blinding wrote: »

This brand is seriously damaged, you are buying a car that does not have the value that it had before the scandal.

Volkswagon conned you and many others.

Buy another brand. Hopefully they are not crooks like the Germans.

Jesus wept

5W30

LIGHTNING wrote: »

lol what are you smoking? As if Irish people bought diesels to give a toss about emissions.

Doesn't matter. Anyone who bought the car and read the emissions on the brochure would expect to get a car with those emissions. Clearly that was not the case so effectively Volkswagen scammed people.

bazz26

Yeah I'd like to know how many people buying brand new diesel cars were actually buying them because they were "eco" friendly before this scandal broke.

I wonder if Apple came out next week and admitted their smart phones are bad for the environment how many people with new iphones would be in uproar and claim they were conned.

dixiefly

bazz26 wrote: »

Yeah I'd like to know how many people buying brand new diesel cars were actually buying them because they were "eco" friendly before this scandal broke.

I wonder if Apple came out next week and admitted their smart phones are bad for the environment how many people with new iphones would be in uproar and claim they were conned.

There is a difference between wanting the most eco friendly car and a company that has been deliberately defrauding the authorities, customers and (indirectly) their competitors.

When buying I would like a car with low emissions but its not a must have, however i do want a product that is not blatantly designed to break the law.

Jesus.

toe_knee wrote: »

Hi, I have bought a new Skoda Superb 1.6 diesel

Why?

toe_knee

Why not?

Jesus.

A 1.6 diesel in a barge like that? She'd struggle a bit I reckon.

Drove the 1.6 TDI in one before and 'twas very slow

Valetta

Jesus. wrote: »

A 1.6 diesel in a barge like that? She'd struggle a bit I reckon.

Drove the 1.6 TDI in one before and 'twas very slow

Irrelevant to the thread, but maybe the OP doesn't want to drive fast.

toe_knee

Jesus. wrote:

A 1.6 diesel in a barge like that? She'd struggle a bit I reckon.

I have one and not too bad. Of course the 150bhp and would be better but the 120bhp is just fine.

Atlantic Dawn

The deal is done, I wouldn't ask for anything. Getting your car through before they organise a fix on those cars yet to be sold will be a benefit.

bazz26

dixiefly wrote: »

There is a difference between wanting the most eco friendly car and a company that has been deliberately defrauding the authorities, customers and (indirectly) their competitors.

When buying I would like a car with low emissions but its not a must have, however i do want a product that is not blatantly designed to break the law.

Consumers are told what they want to hear and lied to every day, it just happened to be a car manufacturer last week. If people think VW are the only large corporation at this then they truly are very gullible. Does the consumer have the same outcry or sense of morality when buying a product that is produced using cheap exploited labour in poorer parts of the world? No, consumers still want their products and believe what they are told or not told.

The VW scandal has now imo turned into mass hysteria and started a bandwagon of outrage by a number of people who up to last week didn't care. The issue here is that people have now received a reality check and the nice things we like/want in life come at a cost that we ignore.

Also I wonder how much confidence would be restored in VW products now by people if they were offered a better deal when buying. I bet it would soften a few ecological views too.

blinding

Volkwagon have proved themselves unreliable and untrustworthy. Buyer Beware.

MrMaki

I'm very curious to see how the market will react to VW scandal. - Are we going to notice price difference in 2nd hand vw, skoda, audi and seat diesels in next lets say half a year?

This is going to be huge scandal, and I guess there is still a lot to be discovered in next coming weeks. Just today I read that another giant BOSCH took part in this swindle as well.

OP - demand your deposit back - tell them that under sales of goods act , the item in a box is not what is written on the box. So or they fix it ( which is not possible right now) or they give you cash back.
Enda and his colleagues will use every opportunity to squeeze VW& Co's owners and change tax rates just for them.

BoJack Horseman

If your new car emits more Co2 than the sticker states, you wouldn't necessarily have legal grounds for money off... T'would be at the dealers discretion & seeing as the deal is done, I doubt they would oblidge

MrMaki

bazz26 wrote: »

The VW scandal has now imo turned into mass hysteria and started a bandwagon of outrage by a number of people who up to last week didn't care.

Money is involved here and money talks. People didn't care as they knew how much their car will be worth in a year or 5. But now it looks like the value will drop a lot , and what is worse these people can be taxed more, as they drive different cars than registered.

bazz26

Just so that we are clear - the scandal is around NOx testing not Co2 testing which motor tax is based on.

gctest50

MrMaki wrote: »

Money is involved here and money talks. People didn't care as they knew how much their car will be worth in a year or 5. But now it looks like the value will drop a lot , and what is worse these people can be taxed more, as they drive different cars than registered.

they'll be virtually worthless if type approval is withdrawn

he should go ahead with the trade if the new car is euro6 or whatever - they're not affected

bazz26

So what if other car manufacturers come out and admit they did the same, are people going to stop buying cars altogether because they were lied to?

JohnBoy26

bazz26 wrote: »

Just so that we are clear - the scandal is around NOx testing not Co2 testing which motor tax is based on.

If they change the way they test Cars though to reflect on the road conditions won't that have effect on the Co2 ratings as well?

RedorDead

Was this thread originally in After Hours and moved? Some of the comments here would make you wonder about this forum. I'd suggest for anyone to read up about it before commenting. Read the Irish times coverage of it which is excellent.

robtri

punisher5112 wrote: »

Euro6 diesel latest model engines are not affected.

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and who is saying that... VAG???

theShire

MrMaki wrote: »

Money is involved here and money talks. People didn't care as they knew how much their car will be worth in a year or 5. But now it looks like the value will drop a lot , and what is worse these people can be taxed more, as they drive different cars than registered.

It'd be interesting to see how the whole PCP finance deal would work now. Arent they guaranteeing a value on the car at the end of the finance term?

blinding

The resale value of your car has been reduced. I think that you have grounds for withdrawing from this deal.

Volkswagon are now known to be untrustworthy.

testicle

Jaketherake wrote: »

Ask if the car now goes into a new tax band because of this scandal will they pay the difference for the life of the car.

NOx emissions don't effect the tax band.

George Dalton

blinding wrote: »

The resale value of your car has been reduced. I think that you have grounds for withdrawing from this deal.

Volkswagon are now known to be untrustworthy.

How can anyone take your posts seriously when you aren't even spelling the manufacturer's name correctly, let alone making any valid points?

A few posters in this thread are living in an alternate reality IMO.

anewme

George Dalton wrote: »

How can anyone take your posts seriously when you aren't even spelling the manufacturer's name correctly.

too funny!

blinding

George Dalton wrote: »

How can anyone take your posts seriously when you aren't even spelling the manufacturer's name correctly, let alone making any valid points?

A few posters in this thread are living in an alternate reality IMO.

Is it too much to ask the Cowboys at Volkswagon not to be fiddling with the performance of their cars.

I wouldn't buy a horse of them at the moment.

How do you know what else they are fiddling ? ? ?

BoJack Horseman

blinding wrote: »

I wouldn't buy a horse of them at the moment.

That's a shame as their PCP horse deals are terrific.

Odyssey 2005

Who tests the emissions on a Vokelspony ??.

colm_mcm

Reminds me of this from the very first sniff petrol

German car giant Volkswagen is to launch a radical new model for developing markets; a big brown horse. Following the cancellation of its sub-Lupo project for the Chinese market, code named A000, VW is going back to basics with an equine approach to under-developed markets. As yet details of the new model are sketchy but it's thought that costs will be kept down by offering just one body style (horse) and one colour (brown). However, that doesn't mean VW is skimping in other areas. Our spies say that some kind of 4WD set-up will be standard, probably an adaptation of the Golf's advanced 4 Motion system which can push power to the back hooves in slippery conditions. Engineers are also working flat out to ensure the horse's bi-fuel system can accommodate all grades of carrots and hay. It's not yet known if the horse will be sold in Europe but if it were to come here it would undoubtedly struggle without a diesel powered variant. Interestingly, Volkswagen is not the first manufacturer to develop a long faced, straw chewing model. Vauxhall have been making donkeys for years.

Neilw

Valetta wrote: »

Irrelevant to the thread, but maybe the OP doesn't want to drive fast.

He has no choice now

Jesus.

Neilw wrote: »

He has no choice now

Its slightly better than the last one with an additional 15hp but it must still be extremely slow

colm_mcm

In the same way that an a6 1.9 TDI was slow 15 years ago.

R.O.R

Jesus. wrote: »

Its slightly better than the last one with an additional 15hp but it must still be extremely slow

It isn't.

If I hadn't checked what engine was in our Superb demo, I would have thought it was a 2.0Tdi that wasn't run in yet.

Will accelerate off roundabouts and speed humps, in 3rd gear, from low ish speeds, with no issues - the 105ps version wouldn't do this.

galwaytt

Neilw wrote: »

Buy a petrol one

I was in a Skoda dealership 3 weeks ago, just before the VW thing broke, and looking for a petrol. I was told there wasn't a hope of seeing or driving one without putting one on order and waiting 3 months..........and it would be mine then. They haven't a single petrol car in the country, allegedly, and no plans too.

I wouldn't mind, but the petrol is €6,000 cheaper............

galwaytt

blinding wrote: »

Is it too much to ask the Cowboys at Volkswagon not to be fiddling with the performance of their cars.

I wouldn't buy a horse of them at the moment.

How do you know what else they are fiddling ? ? ?

...tbh, I'd paraphrase that to "Is it too much to ask ...at the EU Type Approval committee.... not to be fiddling with the performance of our cars. "

In other words, to allow engineering to build the best car, not to have it driven by car tax legislation.

That's how we ended up in this mess: pandering to regulators and nonsense stanards that are not only impossible to achieve, but driving costs the wrong way.


[edit] no sooner had I posted the above, than I see this http://www.newstalk.com/Volkswagen-suspends-RD-chiefs the nonsense of politicians meddling reaches new levels.......... [/edit]