Soup Kitchen for the homeless closed by Garda in Grafton St

bodhrandude

This is a bit of a joke, the Dublin County Council gave Garda orders to close down this soup kitchen for the homeless, they claim its in breach of health and safety and potentially was blocking Grafton Street. I put it to the council that they are even in a bigger breach to health and safety by starving the homeless.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/it-is-heartbreaking-gardai-shut-down-stall-giving-food-to-dublins-homeless-31551494.html

johnnyskeleton

There are other legit institutions that feed the homeless. This guy seems to be a bit mad

Stheno

Why couldn't he just apply for the right permits?

Brian from Bray

That's a disgrace.

goose2005

Stheno wrote: »

Why couldn't he just apply for the right permits?

Because he wanted to make a scene on Grafton Street.

MilesMorales1

Bit of common sense wouldn't have gone a miss, although the chap really should have just sorted out the correct permits if thats what he wanted to do.

I saw this in action before and whoever thinks it's a good idea to draw every homeless person in Dublin into the center of Grafton Street on busy weekend nights is an idiot.

paleoperson

I wonder if homeless people started being poisoned/dying because of badly sourced/stored food where would all the people saying what a disgrace this is would be...

Stheno

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

I saw this in action before and whoever thinks it's a good idea to draw every homeless person in Dublin into the center of Grafton Street on busy weekend nights is an idiot.

I'm fairly sure I've seen them there during the week as well.

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

I'm fairly sure I've seen them there during the week as well.

I'm sure you have. I've seen them once, on a Saturday evening. Your point?

Stheno

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

I'm sure you have. I've seen them once, on a Saturday evening. Your point?

That they don't just operate on the weekends, but throughout the week too.

the evasion_kid

paleoperson wrote: »

I wonder if homeless people started being poisoned/dying because of badly sourced/stored food where would all the people saying what a disgrace this is would be...

Well eating out of bins doesn't seem to being doing them any harm

One eyed Jack

bodhrandude wrote: »

This is a bit of a joke, the Dublin County Council gave Garda orders to close down this soup kitchen for the homeless, they claim its in breach of health and safety and potentially was blocking Grafton Street. I put it to the council that they are even in a bigger breach to health and safety by starving the homeless.

As little time as I have for DCC, they aren't starving the homeless. It's idiot groups like these people that are less concerned with helping homeless people, and more concerned with seeking some attention and publicity for themselves with these sort of stunts that are a danger not only to themselves, but to the homeless and the public in general -

March for the Homeless volunteers were back on Grafton Street last night in defiance at the order from gardai to pack up and leave over the weekend...

Last night on Grafton Street gardai approached the group and asked Mr Bradley to move a van that was parked nearby. However, the volunteers were allowed to set up the kitchen and serve food. It was a stark contrast to the weekend, when Mr Bradley said officers told his colleagues to shut down the stall for “health and safety reasons” as homeless people queued for food...

A Garda spokesman said that officers were called to Grafton Street where a temporary structure was set up, adding that “it was attracting a significant amount of people”...

“Those involved in setting up the structure did not have permits from Dublin City Council and were asked to remove the structures on the grounds that they were causing an obstruction and were a safety concern.

And as well-intentioned as this may seem, ultimately it was just another publicity stunt -

March for the Homeless hit the headlines last week when one of its volunteers, Sarah Jane Curtis (19), brought homeless man Adam Skinner (21) to her Debs.

Homeless Adam Skinner accepts invitation to his first debs

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Gatling

Another I'm on Facebook wannmabe hero ,

I'm feeding the homeless when nobody else will ,

He's a social media dick

fleet_admiral

I bet DCC wouldnt care if there was one on Henry Street

asherbassad

Stheno wrote: »

Why couldn't he just apply for the right permits?

Indeed. I can guarantee you that the lackeys who dole out these permits would be informed rather sharpish to deny any said permit if my chums and I, who pull their strings, had anything to say. Disgusting, stinking vermin being fed an appalling slop whilst I'm trying to stroll from Brown Thomas to the Residence. I think not. These scum need to know their place and feed the pestilence-stricken multitudes out of sight of my refined sensitivities.

NotASheeple

Stheno wrote: »

Why couldn't he just apply for the right permits?

Why should anyone need a bloody permit to help the needy ffs.

C.K Dexter Haven

NotASheeple wrote: »

Why should anyone need a bloody permit to help the needy ffs.

Because otherwise, we'd have the right to set up shop outside of your house.

CatFromHue

He was speaking as he launched the charity organisation’s annual report. Their latest figures show that 120 people were sleeping on the capital’s streets on Monday night. Another 50 people sheltered at Simon’s night cafe.

For a city the size of Dublin those numbers don't sound that bad.

Obviously I don't want anyone sleeping rough but I thought the numbers were much higher.

C.K Dexter Haven

CatFromHue wrote: »

For a city the size of Dublin those numbers don't sound that bad.

Obviously I don't want anyone sleeping rough but I thought the numbers were much higher.

over 600 families are currently homeless- families- they're being "put up" in hotel rooms and the like- so those figures above only tell a small part of the story.

JustTheOne

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

over 600 families are currently homeless- families- they're being "put up" in hotel rooms and the like- so those figures above only tell a small part of the story.

They still been put up somewhere and been paid for.

Their not on the streets.

chrissb8

As someone who works in a city centre off licence and serves a lot of homeless people this guy is just a knobhead. Plenty of great people volunteering for soup runs and places for the homeless to eat. Just again social media idiots who can't look past a headline and think for themselves. If it was the case of no permits you'd have stuff like this popping up everywhere. Dublin city centre can be congested at the best of times to do this was just idiotic and not thinking.

paleoperson

I keep hearing complaining about "hotel rooms". Surely hotel rooms are a grand place for a homeless person to stay, that rich people would use? I'm sure there's some reason to complain and no complimentary room service, but ffs they're still hotels.

C.K Dexter Haven

paleoperson wrote: »

I keep hearing complaining about "hotel rooms". Surely hotel rooms are a grand place for a homeless person to stay, that rich people would use? I'm sure there's some reason to complain and no complimentary room service, but ffs they're still hotels.

The concept of "home" comes to mind:)

Gatling

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

over 600 families are currently homeless- families- they're being "put up" in hotel rooms and the like- so those figures above only tell a small part of the story.

Currently in temporary accommodation so yeah there not homeless

C.K Dexter Haven

Gatling wrote: »

Currently in temporary accommodation so yeah there not homeless

oh they're homeless alright, i'm quite sure of that:)

Gatling

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

oh they're homeless alright, i'm quite sure of that:)

Roof over your head 7 days a week would suggest your not homeless,
There in temporary accommodation until they secure there own property to rent

ted1

He'd no tax or DOE on his van either

Barely There

Good.
Grafton Street is a completely inappropriate place for a soup kitchen.
Well done to the Council and Guards.

C.K Dexter Haven

Gatling wrote: »

Roof over your head 7 days a week would suggest your not homeless,
There in temporary accommodation until they secure there own property to rent

Depends on your definition of homeless i guess, or indeed, what a "home" is.:)

fleet_admiral

Barely There wrote: »

Good.
Grafton Street is a completely inappropriate place for a soup kitchen.
Well done to the Council and Guards.

Yeah Charlemont street would be much better

C.K Dexter Haven

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Yeah Charlemont street would be much better

More footfall on Wicklow st though, specially that hour of the night

Dr.Internet

how many homeless organisations are there in Dublin?

this guy was on joe duffy yesterday, a different guy from a different org was on today

between those 2 organisations alone they claim to have approx 40 volunteers. That's one volunteer for every three homeless people if you take the indos 120 people. There are more organisations which would reduce the ratio to more volunteers than homeless people.


The families in the hotels are already being fed and watered are they not?

Spanish Eyes

It's becoming an industry in itself.

How many homeless charities are there now? Probably more than there are homeless.

And costing us more in grants, salaries, etc. for each and every one of them, than it would be to home people I think.

We need to wake up and make people accountable for all our taxes. And that obviously includes those who outsource these charities.

Stheno

Dr.Internet wrote: »

The families in the hotels are already being fed and watered are they not?

Yeah but imagine being confined to a hotel room with kids, and trying to keep them in school etc.

paleoperson

Stheno wrote: »

Yeah but imagine being confined to a hotel room with kids, and trying to keep them in school etc.

So what do you want, a free house?

C.K Dexter Haven

paleoperson wrote: »

So what do you want, a free house?

nope, a "home".

JustTheOne

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

nope, a "home".

So a free house?

Imagine all the people suddenly homeless if we start handing out houses.

Stheno

paleoperson wrote: »

So what do you want, a free house?

Eh I live in a house, I was simply pointing out that being housed in a hotel room is not comparable to a house/apartment.

C.K Dexter Haven

JustTheOne wrote: »

So a free house?

Imagine all the people suddenly homeless if we start handing out houses.

nope, a home:)

paleoperson

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

nope, a home:)

Please stop putting a smiley after all your posts. It's really obnoxious.

Don't try to get funnies with me, just stop. *shrug* Stop.

I heard him interviewed by, I think Joe Duffy, in the week and he really means well. However, he has to take some responsibility for his actions, but applying for the proper permits. Just because they are homeless doesn't mean that they should be served food that may not be prepared to standards fit for human consumption.

C.K Dexter Haven

paleoperson wrote: »

Please stop putting a smiley after all your posts. It's really obnoxious.

Don't try to get funnies with me, just stop. *shrug* Stop.

OK, but it's still a home they're looking for:)

JustTheOne

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

OK, but it's still a home they're looking for:)

Like 99.9% of the population too.

C.K Dexter Haven

JustTheOne wrote: »

Like 99.9% of the population too.

Indeed.

JustTheOne

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

Indeed.

And what do people do when they want a home?

C.K Dexter Haven

JustTheOne wrote: »

And what do people do when they want a home?

I don't know Uncle JusTheOne, why don't you tell us all:)

micosoft

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It's becoming an industry in itself.

How many homeless charities are there now? Probably more than there are homeless.

And costing us more in grants, salaries, etc. for each and every one of them, than it would be to home people I think.

We need to wake up and make people accountable for all our taxes. And that obviously includes those who outsource these charities.

This.

We have less actual homeless in Dublin (rough sleepers) then Oslo. Or pretty much any UK city.

So more people are employed in the homeless sector in Dublin then are homeless. Over 900 people in Dublin alone!


The Government spends 32k every year PER homeless person.

We spent €12m on homeless services in 2002 and now spend about €100m. Yet we are now in crisis despite the number of homes built since 2002 and the fact we are a wealthier country (all elements of society) much increased dole and much increased social transfers.

My view at this point as someone who has worked with and in the non-profit sector is that an industry has been created by people who want to make money out of homelessness and have no interest in solving it.

We need to shut down the industry, give those that need homes and are capable of living in a home (which I don't believe there are any) and move the money to mental health and addiction services which is the actual problem. And realise that some people, not matter how much you do for them, will self destruct and be homeless. And in a free society you can't do much about it unless you are willing to countenance detaining people.

iguana

Stheno wrote: »

Eh I live in a house, I was simply pointing out that being housed in a hotel room is not comparable to a house/apartment.

Living of a hotel for an extended period would no doubt utterly suck. Especially if you have kids. But it's even less comparable to sleeping on the streets than it is to having a house. You are warm, dry, safe, secure and have a bathroom. And while you mightn't have access to cooking and washing facilities you have a steady income that will cover the use of laundry services and meals. If you can get to a community centre you will have cheap healthy dinners daily. I'm not saying that it's even remotely ideal and it is absolutely a problem that needs addressing. But it's a very, very, very different prospect from sleeping on the streets, being cold, frequently wet and at constant risk of being robbed and abused.

paleoperson

iguana wrote: »

Living of a hotel for an extended period would no doubt utterly suck.

You realize that some people live their entire lives in apartments and it's their first choice right?

Larianne

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

I saw this in action before and whoever thinks it's a good idea to draw every homeless person in Dublin into the center of Grafton Street on busy weekend nights is an idiot.

Barely There wrote: »

Good.
Grafton Street is a completely inappropriate place for a soup kitchen.
Well done to the Council and Guards.

There is usually at least 10 people sleeping rough outside shops on Grafton Street every night. I counted 15 homeless people on my walk from Central Bank, up Dame Street and Grafton Street one Sunday morning.