Turas Nua

allibastor

Has anyone experience with Turas Nua.

Looking for information. I know they are part of FRS, and have read about them in previous threads here.

Thanks

JohnMc1

Just started with them today. I have to go back again on Friday. And two days a week.

allibastor

Did you start direct with them, or working in a company that they placed you in.

Congrats on the job!!!

JohnMc1

allibastor wrote: »

Did you start direct with them, or working in a company that they placed you in.

Congrats on the job!!!

I started with them looking for a job. I wish it was an actual job.

jimmyw

I am unsure about the bone fides of this initiative ,in my area, some of the advisors have left due to I dont know what.At a guess,Id say stress but its only a guess, but they are in charge of around 100 people each.Seems abit of a tall order to me.

In my case, I was working with a nice lady to be fair.Then she was out "sick"?

3 or 4 weeks later, still no sign of her, I now discover that she has left without any warning.The whole episode is odd to say the least.

Anyone else have issues with it?

I want it to be of benefit (sorry about the pun:p) but I am getting a bad vibe about it.Hope I am wrong.

solo1y

I was assigned to Turas Nua from the DSP for reasons unclear. So far, they're very nice to me. I've spent the last few weeks doing computer assessments and answering questions about how good I am with a team.

jimmyw

solo1y wrote: »

I was assigned to Turas Nua from the DSP for reasons unclear. So far, they're very nice to me. I've spent the last few weeks doing computer assessments and answering questions about how good I am with a team.

In the Waterford office? ......If so, ....I was with Lxxxxx and she buggered off and abandoned us for some strange reason.Yes maybe it was personal, but no satisfactory reason given to me either which would have been nice.

solo1y

jimmyw wrote: »

In the Waterford office? ......If so, ....I was with Lxxxxx and she buggered off and abandoned us for some strange reason.Yes maybe it was personal, but no satisfactory reason given to me either which would have been nice.

No. I'm in the Clonmel office. It's fine so far. At the moment I have some homework. I have to write a cover letter.

peppa 1986

I know someone who works for them. She has a portfolio of 100 clients. 92 of them will never work. A drunk turned up for his appointment last week at 9am. He had been in an early pub since 6.30am. Another turned up with his sleeping bag under his arm. Several can not read or write and most are rude and verbally abusive. She will not stick this job, it is a box ticking exercise for the DSW

FiannaSuccess

If anyone tries to assign me to these clowns they'll be told where to go!

JohnMc1

FiannaSuccess wrote: »

If anyone tries to assign me to these clowns they'll be told where to go!

You have no choice. Failure to comply will result in termination of benefits.

FiannaSuccess

JohnMc1 wrote: »

You have no choice. Failure to comply will result in termination of benefits.

We shall see! Homelessness will cost the state a hell of a lot more!

rgossip30

JohnMc1 wrote: »

You have no choice. Failure to comply will result in termination of benefits.

They say 9 weeks only . A supervisor did say that anyone who has not found a job will be put on a CE scheme true or bluff . I fail to see the difference between that and community service . I might prefer to stay in the stocks for a day and get rotten eggs thrown at me by tax payers .Proper order .

JohnMc1

rgossip30 wrote: »

They say 9 weeks only . A supervisor did say that anyone who has not found a job will be put on a CE scheme true or bluff . I fail to see the difference between that and community service . I might prefer to stay in the stocks for a day and get rotten eggs thrown at me by tax payers .Proper order .

Thanks. 9 weeks is still a long time without it if that is only source of income.

rgossip30

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Thanks. 9 weeks is still a long time without it if that is only source of income.

Well just play the game and take your chance .

Musicman2000

rgossip30 wrote: »

They say 9 weeks only . A supervisor did say that anyone who has not found a job will be put on a CE scheme true or bluff . I fail to see the difference between that and community service . I might prefer to stay in the stocks for a day and get rotten eggs thrown at me by tax payers .Proper order .

If they helped you get into job you wanted to do, would that not suit you better? The other side of the coin if they just throw you into any old job to get the unemployment figures down I wouldn't blame you then.

mrmagoo22

Hi just received a very polite invitation to join turas nua,, also incl in the invite is a threat that if i do not turn up they will render me homeless with withdrawal of allowance ,, can anyone tell me if i refuse a job they force on me ,, can they leave me to get on with it in a cardboard box ??

jimmyw

mrmagoo22 wrote: »

Hi just received a very polite invitation to join turas nua,, also incl in the invite is a threat that if i do not turn up they will render me homeless with withdrawal of allowance ,, can anyone tell me if i refuse a job they force on me ,, can they leave me to get on with it in a cardboard box ??

I am afraid that is how it works. They are putting a gun to your head with this scheme. Do as we say,or you will be shot.....it's just a tick the box exercise.

JohnMc1

mrmagoo22 wrote: »

Hi just received a very polite invitation to join turas nua,, also incl in the invite is a threat that if i do not turn up they will render me homeless with withdrawal of allowance ,, can anyone tell me if i refuse a job they force on me ,, can they leave me to get on with it in a cardboard box ??

It has to be a job that you're qualified for. They can't [and shouldn't] just throw you into any old job.

To be honest my counsellor has put me forward for a bunch of jobs, but I haven't heard back on any of them.

livedadream

mrmagoo22 wrote: »

Hi just received a very polite invitation to join turas nua,, also incl in the invite is a threat that if i do not turn up they will render me homeless with withdrawal of allowance ,, can anyone tell me if i refuse a job they force on me ,, can they leave me to get on with it in a cardboard box ??

can we take a step back here so as not to panic other people?

did your letter say you would be made homeless if you didnt attend?

i think a reasonable assumption could be made that it didnt.

im sure it said something along the lines of failure to engage may result in sanctions or penalties to your payment.

the first letter is an invitation to meet your personal adviser and a rep from the DSP in their office

they will call you on the phone to follow up by the way... to make sure you received it and that you are available.

the reasonable thing to do is to turn up and engage, no harm no foul, its another tool for you to utilise to get a job.

your effectively getting a free recruiter to do the work for you and the offer of a free professional CV, jobs training in their skills labs and the support of someone though your first year or work, whats not to like about that. most people have to struggle to find their own way, Tursa nua gives you support loads of people would love to have in the workplace.

rgossip30

I am there 4 months and not an application for a job ! I just do their motivation classes .
Reminds me of the exercises they give old people in nursing homes its like kindergarten .

_Tombstone_

rgossip30 wrote: »

I am there 4 months and not an application for a job ! I just do their motivation classes .
Reminds me of the exercises they give old people in nursing homes its like kindergarten .

You mean you didn't apply for any or heard nothing back from any?

Xenji

_Tombstone_ wrote: »

You mean you didn't apply for any or heard nothing back from any?

They offer you the jobs, they are a recruitment firm and are there to find you work, they get paid commission if they get you employment, of course you can also try and find your own work when on the scheme

rgossip30

_Tombstone_ wrote: »

You mean you didn't apply for any or heard nothing back from any?

No not yet just classes where you say Yes its Enda training . They give you silly exercises to do the idea is to bore you into looking for a way out . There is always people from the course missing on certs .

Mrs OBumble

rgossip30 wrote: »

I am there 4 months and not an application for a job ! I just do their motivation classes .
Reminds me of the exercises they give old people in nursing homes its like kindergarten .

So how many jobs have you applied for separately from them?

Mrs OBumble

mrmagoo22 wrote: »

Hi just received a very polite invitation to join turas nua,, also incl in the invite is a threat that if i do not turn up they will render me homeless with withdrawal of allowance ,, can anyone tell me if i refuse a job they force on me ,, can they leave me to get on with it in a cardboard box ??

A condition of your unemployment benefit si that you take up work if it is available.

If you don't want to engage with them and do the course etc, then you need to get a job some other way.

rgossip30

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

So how many jobs have you applied for separately from them?

I am applying for a Back to work scheme .

Oddjob87

I have had dealings with Turas Nua and they, in my opinion, are an organisation which offer numerous threats in terms of what will happen if you don't engage with them rather than offer positive reinforcement and encouragement if you do. It appears that they operate in an environment of chaos - so far I have met with three 'consultants' and each has informed me that the previous person had left the organisation with no further explanation. It appears that they are more interested in fulfilling their own targets - coming from recruitment backgrounds I guess it is hardly surprising. In my opinion, there are other organisations which operate under the umbrella of the DSP (such as the LES) which offer a far more informed and positive environment for unemployed people!

bingoboffin

Had my second meeting today and was asked to leave because I would not answer some of the questions they asked. I don't see why I should answer questions about unsustainable debt etc...

I answered questions on medical and education etc... and was asked to leave when I asked about a third education question that I did not understand. Apparently a manager will be contacting me.

I would like a copy of the questionnaire and I am going to request a copy today. This has only been my second contact with them.

livedadream

bingoboffin wrote: »

Had my second meeting today and was asked to leave because I would not answer some of the questions they asked. I don't see why I should answer questions about unsustainable debt etc...

I answered questions on medical and education etc... and was asked to leave when I asked about a third education question that I did not understand. Apparently a manager will be contacting me.

something doesnt quite add up about this story tbh...

second meeting and they kicked you out when you couldnt understand a question and then refused to answer another couple?

i wonder what their side is...

bingoboffin

livedadream wrote: »

something doesnt quite add up about this story tbh...

second meeting and they kicked you out when you couldnt understand a question and then refused to answer another couple?

i wonder what their side is...

I can only state what happened in the meeting. Considering the questionnaire is not mandatory according to the company why was I asked to leave? I asked a question about a question in relation to life education needs as I was unsure what it ment and needed clarification. I fail to see that as being grounds to be asked to leave. I like to know what the meaning of t
he question is before I answer.

In relation to unsustainable debt I fail to see how that is not an invasion of my privacy especially as there were other people in the room separated by a board three feet high. In other words no privacy.

Again this is just my interaction today. Sad as the first interview was good.

livedadream

bingoboffin wrote: »

I can only state what happened in the meeting. Considering the questionnaire is not mandatory according to the company why was I asked to leave? I asked a question about a question in relation to life education needs as I was unsure what it ment and needed clarification. I fail to see that as being grounds to be asked to leave. I like to know what the meaning of t
he question is before I answer.

In relation to unsustainable debt I fail to see how that is not an invasion of my privacy especially as there were other people in the room separated by a board three feet high. In other words no privacy.

Again this is just my interaction today. Sad as the first interview was good.

whats exactly what i mean, it doesnt add up.

its all seems like huge drama over you not understanding something which seems really unprofessional. or its not the whole story.

i just find it really hard to believe thats all there is too it, thats all.

bingoboffin

livedadream wrote: »

whats exactly what i mean, it doesnt add up.

its all seems like huge drama over you not understanding something which seems really unprofessional. or its not the whole story.

i just find it really hard to believe thats all there is too it, thats all.

Regardless what you believe the adviser asked me to leave exactly at that point. Nothing else. No other drama. No offensive language. I asked when my next appointment would be and was told they would be in touch.

Why is it so hard to believe exactly? Your questioning seems very vague. It feels.... seems personal by you. You were not there. Do you work for this company? Are people allowed to report their interactions here? Why are you so interested in my negative experience? How many experiences have you had with them?

Something about your replies does not add up. Just saying I can turn that quote right around at you. It is based on nothing. Like your replies.

livedadream

bingoboffin wrote: »

Regardless what you believe the adviser asked me to leave exactly at that point. Nothing else. No other drama. No offensive language. .

im not doubting them asking you to leave.

bingoboffin wrote: »

Why is it so hard to believe exactly? Your questioning seems very vague.

sorry i dont mean to be vague,

let me break it down,

i dont believe your telling us the whole story.

i believe that you were being difficult by refusing to answer questions to someone who was just trying to be helpful. and the adviser maybe thought, im not being paid enough to put up with this so off you trot mate... i have people who want my help. you can toddle off home now.

bingoboffin wrote: »

It feels.... seems personal by you.

sorry its not personal for me, im just reading it and offering an opinion. thats all, thats the point of boards right? you post and people talk about it?

bingoboffin wrote: »

You were not there.

i could make a joke here about being omnipresent but im not, and i kinda feel you wouldn't appreciate it anyway.

bingoboffin wrote: »

Do you work for this company?

nope

bingoboffin wrote: »

Are people allowed to report their interactions here? Why are you so interested in my negative experience?

im interested because it seems off to me thats all, i find it strange and unbelievable that you refused to answer some questions and were asked to leave. I also find it riduclious that you wouldnt answer questions but that a different story mon amie.

bingoboffin wrote: »

How many experiences have you had with them?

more than 10 less than 20, but from the other side.

bingoboffin wrote: »

It is based on nothing. Like your replies.

like your story i guess.

Wanderer2010

livedadream wrote: »

im not doubting them asking you to leave.



sorry i dont mean to be vague,

let me break it down,

i dont believe your telling us the whole story.

i believe that you were being difficult by refusing to answer questions to someone who was just trying to be helpful. and the adviser maybe thought, im not being paid enough to put up with this so off you trot mate... i have people who want my help. you can toddle off home now.


sorry its not personal for me, im just reading it and offering an opinion. thats all, thats the point of boards right? you post and people talk about it?

i could make a joke here about being omnipresent but im not, and i kinda feel you wouldn't appreciate it anyway.

nope

im interested because it seems off to me thats all, i find it strange and unbelievable that you refused to answer some questions and were asked to leave. I also find it riduclious that you wouldnt answer questions but that a different story mon amie.

more than 10 less than 20, but from the other side.



like your story i guess.

Your HR background is shining through here in spades. Particularly jumping right in to doubt a story without even questioning that a company could be in the wrong. I would hate to have you in the room if I ever had an issue with my boss or company, You are exactly the type of person who gives HR a bad name.

Some companies treat people like absolute crap and that's a fact. pity you cant accept that.

livedadream

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Your HR background is shining through here in spades. Particularly jumping right in to doubt a story without even questioning that a company could be in the wrong. I would hate to have you in the room if I ever had an issue with my boss or company, You are exactly the type of person who gives HR a bad name.

thanks for that, nice bit of research there.

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Some companies treat people like absolute crap and that's a fact. pity you cant accept that.

i do accept that some companies treat people like crap, just because i work in HR now doesnt mean ive not worked in ****ty companies or had ****ty jobs or ****ty managers, but ive also seen the abuse that people at turas nua are getting.

all i did was question his story, your the one with the personal attack here mate.

Stheno

Mod keep it civil please

king2

Jobpath, the work activation scheme operated by companies Turas Nua & Seetec, does not work.It failed in the UK and it is failing here.Its a scandalous waste of public money that could be much better spent on proper Job creation.Its a symptom of neoliberal ideology that blames the unemployed for unemployment and panders to a right wing element who like to see unemployed people punished. The Government likes it because anyone forced onto it is not counted any longer as being unemployed, this is perhaps the most farcical thing about it. They dont care if it works or not, it works for them because they can shove tens of thousands of unemployed onto it and the unemployed figures are reduced falsely by that number. They can then waffle, bluster and play with figures to make it look like it works. The Government benefits,the likes of Seetec and Turas Nua make millions in easy money, the Unemployed get shafted.

jimmyw

king2 wrote: »

Jobpath, the work activation scheme operated by companies Turas Nua & Seetec, does not work.It failed in the UK and it is failing here.Its a scandalous waste of public money that could be much better spent on proper Job creation.Its a symptom of neoliberal ideology that blames the unemployed for unemployment and panders to a right wing element who like to see unemployed people punished. The Government likes it because anyone forced onto it is not counted any longer as being unemployed, this is perhaps the most farcical thing about it. They dont care if it works or not, it works for them because they can shove tens of thousands of unemployed onto it and the unemployed figures are reduced falsely by that number. They can then waffle, bluster and play with figures to make it look like it works. The Government benefits,the likes of Seetec and Turas Nua make millions in easy money, the Unemployed get shafted.

Fiddling the numbers you mean:P

rgossip30

I tried to get the Back to Work Enterprise Allowance . I gave the woman 4 different ideas for self employment she refused them all and was not interested in helping .I was certainly discouraged which turned to outrage as I was told 6 months ago they were accepting any ass of an idea eg an African got it to teach steel drum lessons ! My ex got it after a 10 minute interview to look after old people no qualifications . I put forward the same idea to be told that I need qualifications . My age could be a factor but no prove discrimination .The scheme is a failure and due to finish this year .

rgossip30

http://www.seetec.co.uk/media-centre/news-archive/ministry-of-justice-transforming-rehabilitation/

Turas Nua's parent company is Seetec in the Uk , interesting its origin and activity is rehabilitation of prisoners .

Xenji

rgossip30 wrote: »

http://www.seetec.co.uk/media-centre/news-archive/ministry-of-justice-transforming-rehabilitation/

Turas Nua's parent company is Seetec in the Uk , interesting its origin and activity is rehabilitation of prisoners .

Turas Nua's parent company is Working Links over in the UK, both Turas Nua and Seetec are operating JobPath in the country, but Seetec is another UK company with nothing to do with Turas Nua

jimmyw

I think its good to at least have something to keep some pressure on these people cause they get into a rut.The taxpayer is footing the bill.

Xenji

jimmyw wrote: »

I think its good to at least have something to keep some pressure on these people cause they get into a rut.The taxpayer is footing the bill.

Not really, take the likes of Mayo, Sligo and Roscommon where job creation this year according to the CSO has been at 0% and the lowest since 2003.

These are areas where layoffs have been widespread and job announcements have consistently failed to become reality, coupled with a growing number of unworkable zero hour contracts being offered by new and existing multinationals being the only new jobs created.

Why pressure people who are actively seeking work and facing the fact that there are just not enough jobs being offered or created in the their region for all that are searching to find employment.

Regardless of the positives or the negatives of the scheme, what it successes achieve will always be disproportionate and the money would be better spent on job creation within our own economy, than giving money to two foreign entities, of which have been investigated for fraud and human rights abuses in the past.

Wanderer78

The root causes of long-term unemployment are very complex, I've heard some pretty awful stories about this company in dealing with these complex issues.

jimmyw

Not really, take the likes of Mayo, Sligo and Roscommon where job creation this year according to the CSO has been at 0% and the lowest since 2003.

These are areas where layoffs have been widespread and job announcements have consistently failed to become reality, coupled with a growing number of unworkable zero hour contracts being offered by new and existing multinationals being the only new jobs created.

Why pressure people who are actively seeking work and facing the fact that there are just not enough jobs being offered or created in the their region for all that are searching to find employment.

Regardless of the positives or the negatives of the scheme, what it successes achieve will always be disproportionate and the money would be better spent on job creation within our own economy, than giving money to two foreign entities, of which have been investigated for fraud and human rights abuses in the past.[/quote]

Yeah,well actually I am trolling a bit.

My psychiatrist has told me to work on that,sorry .....LOL!

But this is the kind of attitude that the unemployed like us seem to get. Like everyone on the dole are wasters and they need a size 12 up the backside to get them off it,which is not true.


The fact that we are on it is enough incentive to come off it,but this attitude still persists in the media and elsewhere. I hate being on it.

In the place I am with turas nua, there have been a number of the staff have left since I am there..... Why is that?

No,this scheme is a sham and it's only fiddling the numbers. The jobs are not there and the government are not realistic about it.

MouseTail

Xenji wrote: »

Not really, take the likes of Mayo, Sligo and Roscommon where job creation this year according to the CSO has been at 0% and the lowest since 2003.

Can you back that up or did you make it up?

Xenji

MouseTail wrote: »

Can you back that up or did you make it up?

You could of just asked me for a link, no need for the second part.

Anyway http://www.mayonews.ie/news/27915-zero-jobs-growth-in-western-region

rgossip30

Xenji wrote: »

Turas Nua's parent company is Working Links over in the UK, both Turas Nua and Seetec are operating JobPath in the country, but Seetec is another UK company with nothing to do with Turas Nua

https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/JobPath.aspx


Seetec - West; Midlands North; North East; North West, Dublin Central; Dublin North; Dublin South.
Turas Nua – Cork Central; South East; Mid-Leinster, Mid-West; South West; Midlands South.

Got a link ? So from the link above one can expect a different approach if you live in Dublin with Seetec , if the companies are unconnected .Do more criminals live in Dublin .

http://www.workinglinks.co.uk/

Working Links appear to be a similar company to Seetec anyhow but thanks for the correction.

scumbelina

I was wondering about a few legal issues in regards to the operations of Turas Nua/Seetec/Job Path.

They're all private companies operating for profit and using bonus systems for employees whenever they sign someone up to the company and then if they find them employment. These companies have been contacting people directly, direct marketing by any other name, meaning that the DSP have passed on personal information to these private companies for the purposes of marketing. Surely this is contravention to the Data Protection Act (Section 2 and Section 6)

Furthermore the DSP are forcing/pressuring job seekers to sign a contract with these private companies which is contrary to common law. (Also any DSP legislation that attempts to override this common law principle would be unconstitutional anyway)

Mrs OBumble

scumbelina wrote: »

These companies have been contacting people directly, direct marketing by any other name, meaning that the DSP have passed on personal information to these private companies for the purposes of marketing. Surely this is contravention to the Data Protection Act (Section 2 and Section 6)

They aren't doing direct marketing, ie selling stuff.

They are contacting clients as per their contract with DSP, using information that was provided to DSP (and thus their agents) for the purpose of helping the client to get a job, to give the client job-search assistance.

scumbelina wrote: »

Furthermore the DSP are forcing/pressuring job seekers to sign a contract with these private companies which is contrary to common law. (Also any DSP legislation that attempts to override this common law principle would be unconstitutional anyway)

These contracts are a motivational tool, not a legal document.

You are required to be available for and actively seeing work in order to get job-seekers. Do so, and you won't have an issue with the job-search-help companies.