Acceptable level of noise from housemate early in the morning

F412

This I will imagine be a fairly subjective depending on peoples personal routines but I would just like to get an opinion on it.

I live in a houseshare with two other tenants, renting rooms separately from the LL. One housemate gets up and leaves for work very early. So usually up around 6:30 and leaves just after 7. I usually would only get up for work at 8:30 at the earliest but usually approaching 9 or even later on occasion while the other housemate gets up even later.

Thing is the housemate that gets up early makes no attempt to keep noise down in the morning, walking around closing doors at full force (not banging but not gently either), opening and closing doors multiple times (no one else is around so don't know why they have to be closed every time a room is entered or exited), singing away to themselves at a normal conversation level which is loud enough when the house is very quiet at that hour and worst of all operating a very loud blender every morning which really reverberates around the house (kitchen is under my room to make matters worse). So basically I'm woken every morning 2 to 2.5 hours before I want to be. Now sometimes I get back to sleep but still its very annoying having my sleep interrupted (I go to sleep late enough at times as I don't have to be up too early).

It's unlikely I will say anything for the sake of keeping relations in the house friendly but do people think I would have reason to complain or is it just fair game once its morning and not the middle of the night?

CatFromHue

Some people are genuinely loud with out meaning to be and once they found out they do make a bit of an effort.

idnkph

You can say it to them nicely and keep it friendly. If your flatmate continues to make noise after that then try some ear plugs.
If that doesn't work then its time to move on.

Alanstrainor

Ah just mention it, they may be completely oblivious to it.

F412

I have ear plugs and have worn them and they do work but I was finding my ears were sore after them so I had to stop using them.

I suppose it's a bit more highlighted by the fact I've been in the house for over two years and the housemate in question is the most recent arrival, all bar one of the previous tenants got up at a similar time or later bar one who specifically said that he would be getting up early and would make a conscious effort to be quiet (which he did and very rarely woke me).

I understand that people may not realise they are loud but as the housemate in question is a good otherwise (good in that they are sound but at the same time live mostly in their room leaving the common areas free a lot of the time) I am reluctant to create any tension.

Thanks for the replies anyway, I will have a think about it.

CatFromHue

You could at least mention the blender.

I'd one before that was like a jet talking off it was so loud.

While it won't be exactly the same it'll be mostly the same if they blend the drink the night before and stick it in the fridge.

listermint

Hey sorry to be a pain but can you just watch the doors in the morning some of them are heavy and they will swing and close loudly if not held.

Just it keeps waking me in the morning, again sorry to be a pain but it would help me if you just watched them closing.


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People are reasonable for the most part, they may get embarrassed more thatn anything.

Toots

Whatever about the doors, using a loud blender at that hour of the morning is a bit much, particularly if everyone else in the house is in bed. Does the other housemate get woken by it also? I'd mention it to them in a friendly way, and hopefully they'll be more considerate in the morning. Is there anything mentioned in your lease about noise?

F412

CatFromHue wrote: »

You could at least mention the blender.
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Yeah I think the blender is one of the main causes of waking me alright as it really is very loud despite it being a new one which they only purchased recently. Before that I was woken sometimes but not as often.

F412

Toots wrote: »

Whatever about the doors, using a loud blender at that hour of the morning is a bit much, particularly if everyone else in the house is in bed. Does the other housemate get woken by it also?

The other housemate hasn't mentioned it but he keeps fairly odd hours a lot of the time, working very late and sleeping in very late in the morning so may not be as much of an issue for him. He also stays elsewhere a night or two most weeks.

Toots wrote: »

I'd mention it to them in a friendly way, and hopefully they'll be more considerate in the morning. Is there anything mentioned in your lease about noise?

We don't have leases its very much just a casual setup, rooms let separately, one months notice to leave no matter how long you are their and their is a bit of tenant turnover also though with places being so scarce at the moment I don't see much of a turnover in the next while unless one of us is moving to a very different area.

Thanks again for the replies, I just wanted to get a feel if I would be unreasonable to say something as some people can be funny about what they consider early from a noise perspective.

celligraphy

Get bit of blue tack or chewing gum and stick it between the side of the door at least it won't make a noise then when it closes.

Also talk to your room mate and of things don't change try using white noise. Had use it before when a very drugged up neighbours would play purple rain over and over again with his speakers right up against my bedroom wall

El_Duderino 09

F412 wrote:

Yeah I think the blender is one of the main causes of waking me alright as it really is very loud despite it being a new one which they only purchased recently. Before that I was woken sometimes but not as often.

They could try putting the blender on a folded tea towel to minimise the vibration against the hard worktop.

athtrasna

This housemate is paying to live there too. You say they're not banging doors but they're not closing them quietly. They're not going out of their way to make noise they are just going about their business. I don't think it's an unreasonable time of the morning, 6.30 is fair game IMO.

A towel under the blender is a good idea but blending the night before is not an option for certain ingredient combinations, ingredients won't stay suspended for more than an hour if even that.

Change is rarely easy and you admit OP that this person is new to the house. It takes time to get used to the comings and goings of a new housemate, in time you won't even notice.

Mrs OBumble

Were the people in the house described to the new housemate as office workers (as opposed to students or hospitality workers)? If so, then I'd see 6:30am as a reasonable time to start the day, and 8:30 as very late.

I'd say mention one thing or the other (blender or doors or singing) casually, suck up the rest.

miezekatze

I assume that this person also goes to bed earlier than you. Do you make an effort to keep the noise down in the evening when he's gone to bed? If not then I don't think it's a good idea to say anything.

I don't think 6:30 is an unreasonable time to be up, and operating a blender at this time should be fine too.

ted1

In a European capital city 6:30 would not be unreasonable. What you could do is also get up and go for a run or to the gym before work.

aunt aggie

This is what living with other people is like. I used to rent a room that was next door to a shared bathroom. Wouldn't have thought about asking another tenant not to shower in the morning. Maybe your housemate is actually closing doors loudly in the hope the blender won't be as loud. I agree with another poster, just settle on the issue that annoys you most and mention that to him/her.

F412

Thanks for those who replied I will try to address your questions and suggestions.

athtrasna wrote: »

This housemate is paying to live there too. You say they're not banging doors but they're not closing them quietly. They're not going out of their way to make noise they are just going about their business. I don't think it's an unreasonable time of the morning, 6.30 is fair game IMO.

Change is rarely easy and you admit OP that this person is new to the house. It takes time to get used to the comings and goings of a new housemate, in time you won't even notice.

I suppose I feel that they should just close doors very gently as they know others are sleeping and while I know people will have very different opinions on the topic I do feel blending before 7am (which really is extremely loud) is not really being considerate.

Yes the person is the newest in the house but here for 5 months now and while I was awoken on and off since the start the addition of the blender in the last month or so has made it far worse.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Were the people in the house described to the new housemate as office workers (as opposed to students or hospitality workers)? If so, then I'd see 6:30am as a reasonable time to start the day, and 8:30 as very late.

I'd say mention one thing or the other (blender or doors or singing) casually, suck up the rest.

It was actually me who dealt with showing the room etc as our landlord very much takes a back seat and let's the house run itself.

The housemate in question actually works in a very similar role in a similar but slightly different industry (both highly skilled professional roles). We have a lot of flexibility in our working hours and I choose to start work later while my housemate decides to start very early (I know they could start later, not quite the level of freedom I have but 2 hours later anyway).

Some previous housemates have been in similar sort of roles and most would work a similar sort of timeline to me (hence I thought the current housemate would operate in a similar way) this housemate is very rare from my experience in starting so early my own office only starts getting anyway busy at around 9:30, I mentioned my alarm would be for 8:30 at the earliest but its often later meaning I get woken quite a while before my intended wake up time.

The 3rd housemate is a student but it's been rare to have a student in the house it's geared more towards professionals.

miezekatze wrote: »

I assume that this person also goes to bed earlier than you. Do you make an effort to keep the noise down in the evening when he's gone to bed? If not then I don't think it's a good idea to say anything.

I don't think 6:30 is an unreasonable time to be up, and operating a blender at this time should be fine too.

It's difficult to tell exactly as the housemate spends all evening in his room bar cooking so when they call it a night is hard to say but I can usually hear their tv going until late enough considering the early start and I do make an effort to keep the noise down after 12 and keep the volume down on the tv etc, I certainly wouldn't be blending at 1am that's for sure.

ted1 wrote: »

In a European capital city 6:30 would not be unreasonable. What you could do is also get up and go for a run or to the gym before work.

I have no plans to change my current routine, I hate early mornings (hence why being awoken annoys me) and don't really do the whole gym things morning or evening anyway. I would much rather be able to turn my surround sound system up loud at 1am which I could do with previous housemates operating to a similar timeline but I had to make changes to be more considerate and id consider that someone up early should also do similar when others are sleeping.

aunt aggie wrote: »

This is what living with other people is like. I used to rent a room that was next door to a shared bathroom. Wouldn't have thought about asking another tenant not to shower in the morning. Maybe your housemate is actually closing doors loudly in the hope the blender won't be as loud. I agree with another poster, just settle on the issue that annoys you most and mention that to him/her.

Thankfully they don't shower in the morning or that would be an additional thing to wake me as I'm right next to the shared bathroom and I breathed a sigh of relief when they moved in and I realised they didn't shower in the morning as it reduces my chances of being woken but alas I was wrong.

Overall as I was suggesting in my earlier posts I may say nothing at all but then when I'm woken by the loud buzzing of the blender I'm quite annoyed so if I mention anything it would be just that.

Tarzana2

Just say it to them. I used to have my alarm absolutely blaring in the mornings in a house-share I was in, as I am a very heavy sleeper, and my housemate asked me to turn it down a bit. It was grand, no awkwardness.

Dial Hard

F412 wrote:

The housemate in question actually works in a very similar role in a similar but slightly different industry (both highly skilled professional roles). We have a lot of flexibility in our working hours and I choose to start work later while my housemate decides to start very early (I know they could start later, not quite the level of freedom I have but 2 hours later anyway).

Just because they *could* start later doesn't mean they should. I did 7am to 4pm in a previous job for years, could have done 10 - 7, but I didn't want to, because I'd rather start early and finish early. Sounds like your housemate is the same.

As others have said, I think you need to pick the biggest issue for you (the blender, by the sounds of things) and ask them to keep it down as much as possible. But tbh, OP, they're the one keeping more "normal" hours than you and in 99% of other house-shares, you'd be dealing with this noise from a few people.

F412

Dial Hard wrote: »

As others have said, I think you need to pick the biggest issue for you (the blender, by the sounds of things) and ask them to keep it down as much as possible. But tbh, OP, they're the one keeping more "normal" hours than you and in 99% of other house-shares, you'd be dealing with this noise from a few people.

Maybe I've just been lucky in the past but in more than 5 years housesharing in a few different places and with many different housemates there has been very little noise in the mornings, a combination of people keeping it down if up early and most housemates would have been getting up at times approaching 8am or later also.

F412

Dial Hard wrote: »

Just because they *could* start later doesn't mean they should. I did 7am to 4pm in a previous job for years, could have done 10 - 7, but I didn't want to, because I'd rather start early and finish early. Sounds like your housemate is the same.

Sorry forgot to replay to this and the edit function doesn't appear to work for me.

Yes I would be very much the opposite as I would rather be doing the 10 to 7 everytime (or 11 to 8, or 12 to 9 even if possible but I can't start that late unfortunately ). Most in my work place tend to start later and finish later also though so aside from it being the way I like to work it does suit also as we often have meeting etc at the end of the day.

aunt aggie

I think I have very normal work hours but I also have an hour commute, so 7am is a very normal start for me. And 6.30 isn't far off that.

Some noise in the mornings is unavoidable. I lived in a house share where a housemate asked me to close the front door gently when leaving. Within two days, she complained that I had left the door open. Slightly old fashioned door that didn't latch unless it was pulled forcibly. SO I had to go back to banging the door and she had to put up with it.

The blender can be dealt with. Opening and closing doors should not wake you up. Any complaining about someone singing in the morning is just mean, but as I write this I realise I complain about my housemate's singing every time I'm hungover. It's all part of living with other people.

Xcellor

It's threads like this that make me think thank f*ck I don't live with anyone else.

Mrs OBumble

Nichard Dixon wrote: »

What planet do you live on? This is Ireland, in no way is 06:30 normal unless you are going to the airport.

There are council workers who have not only started work but have travelled all the way from their depot to underneath my window by 6:30am! They woke me for the first few months, but now I just sleep thru them. The OP will get used to the blender, too.

moc moc a moc

athtrasna wrote: »

I don't think it's an unreasonable time of the morning, 6.30 is fair game IMO.

6:30am absolutely is not fair game. No normal person is awake at that hour. This would be like OP banging doors and blending food at 1:30am and expecting 6:30am guy to be fine with it.

F412 wrote: »

kitchen is under my room to make matters worse

F412 wrote: »

I'm right next to the shared bathroom

Surely then the sensible option would be for you to swap rooms with ridiculously early guy?

F412

moc moc a moc wrote: »

Surely then the sensible option would be for you to swap rooms with ridiculously early guy?

Thanks for the suggestion however my room would be a nicer room, better storage etc and the fact I've spend a few years in it I've made it my own.

But aside from that the other room is down stairs so would actually be worse as its closer to the kitchen. The bathroom is currently not really an issue as I mentioned earlier the housemate does not use it in the mornings (small downstairs one is ok for toilet and teeth washing etc).

athtrasna

moc moc a moc wrote: »

6:30am absolutely is not fair game. No normal person is awake at that hour. This would be like OP banging doors and blending food at 1:30am and expecting 6:30am guy to be fine with it.

Almost everyone I work with and close friends are up by 6.30am, 7 at the absolute latest. Nothing abnormal about it. Commuting, family obligations, prework exercise, flexitime or just early morning meetings.

Arbiter of Good Taste

athtrasna wrote: »

Almost everyone I work with and close friends are up by 6.30am, 7 at the absolute latest. Nothing abnormal about it. Commuting, family obligations, prework exercise, flexitime or just early morning meetings.

The fact is that while some people are up, not everyone is. Similarly, while some people are still up at, say, midnight, not everyone is. So I would expect the roommate not to be using a blender and singing when he knows people are in bed.

April 73

The OP is a night owl & the flatmate is a morning lark. Difficult when both are sharing the same house. I had this situation years ago in a house share & constantly having your full quota of sleep disturbed is annoying.
Is it that difficult to ask to have a chat and explain that as you both keep different hours, you are mindful of noise late at night & you'd appreciate it if the flatmate could be mindful in the morning? Say that normal noise is fine but the blender is like a 6.30am alarm call every morning. Some juices/smoothies could be done the night before or is it possible for him/her to bring the blender to work? They may not be aware it's a big issue for you.

bonyn

Housemates, eh? Can't live with 'em.

Even if your housemate is quiet she's still going to wake you. The only difference is, it probably won't bother you so much because at least she made the effort to be quiet.

Best thing you can do is pop out of your room when she's being particularly noisy (make sure you're wearing PJs) with your eyes half-shut and nicely ask her to keep the volume down.

If that doesn't work, you could move on to the more passive aggressive options like hoovering the stairs at 2 in the morning to show her the other side of the candle being burned.

Diamond Doll

I feel that any time from around 6am is fair game to be up and about, business as usual, unless you had specifically agreed otherwise when the person moved in.

If anything you could maybe ask them to stop singing and to be careful closing doors so that they don't bang, however I don't think you should ask them not to use the blender. It's obviously part of their normal morning breakfast routine and they're not doing it at an unreasonable time (even if it's not a time that suits you!)

I actually love being in a house where there are others up and about and I can lie smugly in bed knowing that I can stay there for a while yet - maybe you could try looking at it that way! And perhaps have some chillaxing music ready to go when you're woken in the mornings, so you can listen to that instead of focussing on every little noise being made.

Honestly I've had to put up with a lot worse in houseshares.

bonyn

Diamond Doll wrote: »

maybe you could try looking at it that way! And perhaps have some chillaxing music ready to go when you're woken in the mornings, so you can listen to that instead of focussing on every little noise being made.

+1. Attitude plays a big part.
Personally, dog barking drives me mental and was causing me a lot of anxiety. Then I discovered, it was actually just contributing to my anxiety, and the more anxious I got, the more anxious it made me.

Advice for the op, chat with your housemate to fix what you can.

Then see what you can do for yourself. Maybe get up earlier and go to the gym if you're not tired. Try counselling if the cause of your annoyance is anxiety. Maybe get to bed a bit earlier so you get a good night's sleep regardless of being woken early.

The other option is to move, but no guarantees there won't be other annoyances elsewhere.

Idbatterim

the singing is ridiculous. Is he pushing the doors shut or do they close themselves? The blender is ridiculously ignorant also IMO, he should do it the night before or if that doesnt work with his food types, not do it at all...

Alf Veedersane

Idbatterim wrote: »

The blender is ridiculously ignorant also IMO, he should do it the night before or if that doesnt work with his food types, not do it at all...

That would qualify as an unreasonable request, imo

Idbatterim

That would qualify as an unreasonable request, imo

Throwing on a blender before 7am, while people are sleeping or attempting to sleep, if unreasonable to me...

dutopia

It sounds like the housemate is being inconsiderate, whether he realizes it or not.

Things like banging doors, singing, etc need to be discussed in a polite but stern manner.

Something like a blender IMO he should be allowed use if making breakfast.

Diamond Doll

Idbatterim wrote: »

Throwing on a blender before 7am, while people are sleeping or attempting to sleep, if unreasonable to me...

What's the cut-off though?

To me, it's reasonable to expect housemates to make minimal noise between say 11pm and 6am, roughly. I personally often go to bed earlier than that, or get up later than that, but those are the hours I'd consider socially acceptable. That's after a decade or so of living in houseshares.

You just end up having to give and take a bit, accept that others operate on a different schedule to you. Sticking on the blender at 3am would be a definite NO, but 6.30am sounds grand to me, I wouldn't have a problem with it even if it woke me up earlier than I needed to get up.

smeal

From living in quite a few house shares myself its safe to say that some people are COMPLETELY oblivious to the noise they are making! I think this stems from the type of house they grew up in though.. For example in my own house growing up, my parents room was above the sitting room, my mum was an incredibly light sleeper and if the tv was on past midnight at a reasonable level you could guarantee she would be down whinging about it so some people grow to be more conscious of noise.

It's incredibly difficult to find a house share where you are all on the exact routine and to me, 6.30/7.00 definitely isn't early and 8.30 would definitely be quite late to be rising if it is a typical Mon-Fri job you work. The best thing to do in your situation is to bring it to their attention- I can guarantee they don't realise they are doing it, they probably don't realise how much sound flows up to your bedroom because they don't sleep there themselves and how much sound generates around the house when it is quiet because they are always up first. The singing is definitely uncalled for. Just ask them to go easy on the doors and explain nicely that the blender is really loud in the mornings so if they wouldn't mind blending their breakfast the night before. General rummaging in the kitchen noise should be reasonably expected though- they're only human!

Seriously, talk to them about it. They are definitely oblivious to it unless they are an assh**e. I lived with one girl last year who was a student and was somehow weirdly oblivious to the fact that hoovering her room at 1.30am in the morning didn't generate noise until I said it to her! People haha.

Alf Veedersane

Idbatterim wrote: »

Throwing on a blender before 7am, while people are sleeping or attempting to sleep, if unreasonable to me...

It's not willfully making noise. It's being used to make food.

The person using it can try and reduce the noise it makes but it's compounded by the fact that the OP's room is above the kitchen.

There's nothing unreasonable about using a blender at 7am. I would venture that a large portion of the working population would be up at that hour.

In any case, the OP doesn't think it's necessarily unreasonable nor is it unreasonable for the OP to ask them to try keep the noise level down.

But it is unreasonable to expect them to not do something as basic as make a smoothie that they have for their breakfast if it is something that cannot be made the night before

F412

athtrasna wrote: »

Almost everyone I work with and close friends are up by 6.30am, 7 at the absolute latest. Nothing abnormal about it. Commuting, family obligations, prework exercise, flexitime or just early morning meetings.

Anything before 7 would be very rare even in my group of friends (and unheard of with work colleges, well the ones I know well anyway), 7:30 to 8 I'd say would be more normal but after 8 would account for lots too particularly the people I work with, our office is deserted until about 9:30. So for me 6:30 is an extremely early hour to be getting up.

Diamond Doll wrote: »

I feel that any time from around 6am is fair game to be up and about, business as usual, unless you had specifically agreed otherwise when the person moved in.

I don't see why noise should be fair game from 6am when people are sleeping and not fair game at 1am.

Diamond Doll wrote: »

I don't think you should ask them not to use the blender. It's obviously part of their normal morning breakfast routine and they're not doing it at an unreasonable time (even if it's not a time that suits you!)

I think its very unreasonable to be honest and its only a new addition to the routine recently. 6:30am is extremely early and should be treated like 1am on the other end of the scale. I had to alter my late evening when I realised this person got up early, I would have listened to tv shows loud on my surround sound system up to and after 1am but now I keep the volume low.

Diamond Doll wrote: »

I actually love being in a house where there are others up and about and I can lie smugly in bed knowing that I can stay there for a while yet - maybe you could try looking at it that way! And perhaps have some chillaxing music ready to go when you're woken in the mornings, so you can listen to that instead of focussing on every little noise being made.

I want to be asleep not listening to a person going around the house.

Idbatterim wrote: »

Is he pushing the doors shut or do they close themselves?

Pulling them shut, its the amount of time that gets me. Like if they enter and leave the bedroom 3 times in a minute the door gets open and fully closed every time they enter or leave when it could be just left open say and the noise would be much less regular. Its very easy to close the door gently rather than just pull them after you and close them with a bag.

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

That would qualify as an unreasonable request, imo

I think making as much noise as a hammer action drill at 6:30 am when both other house mates are asleep is a very unreasonable action.

Diamond Doll wrote: »

What's the cut-off though?

To me, it's reasonable to expect housemates to make minimal noise between say 11pm and 6am, roughly. I personally often go to bed earlier than that, or get up later than that, but those are the hours I'd consider socially acceptable. That's after a decade or so of living in houseshares.

You just end up having to give and take a bit, accept that others operate on a different schedule to you. Sticking on the blender at 3am would be a definite NO, but 6.30am sounds grand to me, I wouldn't have a problem with it even if it woke me up earlier than I needed to get up.

I think they should try to make minimal noise if people are asleep regardless of the time. Why the cut off between 11am and 6am? 11am is only late evening to me Id be awake another 2 or possibly 3 hours, why should I have to be extremely quiet at 1am when someone else is asleep and they not be quiet at 6:30 am when I'm asleep?

To me blending at 3am would be pretty much as reasonable as 6:30am.

smeal wrote: »

From living in quite a few house shares myself its safe to say that some people are COMPLETELY oblivious to the noise they are making! I think this stems from the type of house they grew up in though..

I suppose I'm sort of on the other end of this, I'm from the country side and we have a big well built house. You could have a party in the sitting room and it would be almost silent in my bedroom so I spent most of my life having nothing disturbing my sleep which I suppose makes it more difficult now. I've been lucky enough in houseshares up to now also with most people on a similarish time scale to me. This is the first time I've had a housemate regularly waking me so early basically everyday.

Apologies if I have been a bit sharp with some replies but I'm quiet tired this morning despite moving out my alarm to 9:20 when I was woken early in order to get an extra bit of sleep.

Alf Veedersane

F412 wrote: »

I would have listened to tv shows loud on my surround sound system up to and after 1am

But a blender (not a hammer drill) about 7am is unreasonable?

Right.

F412

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

But a blender (not a hammer drill) about 7am is unreasonable?

Right.

No it would not be reasonable to watch tv with the volume turned up at 1am when someone in the house has an early start, hence I stopped doing it when they moved in. In the same way a blender at 7am is not reasonable when other people in the house are asleep.

Trust me the blender is as loud as a drill, its appears to be a powerful one.

Alf Veedersane

F412 wrote: »

No it would not be reasonable to watch tv with the volume turned up at 1am when someone in the house has an early start, hence I stopped doing it when they moved in. In the same way a blender at 7am is not reasonable when other people in the house are asleep.

Trust me the blender is as loud as a drill, its appears to be a powerful one.

Anything between 11pm and 6am is unreasonable (if hasn't been agreed from the start, e.g. where a new housemate is working shifts that start early/finish late).

Last house-share I was in, the electric shower was as close to the wall the bathroom shared with my bedroom. My housemates would often be up before 7 and shower. The shower wasn't exactly quiet. But I don't think they were being unreasonable or inconsiderate to have a shower when i was still asleep.

Have a word with the person. A lot of the noises could be cut down. The blending could be done with a towel under it so the vibrations on the counter aren't as loud. One over it could reduce the sound. Aside from that, there is nothing unreasonable about what they do.

tinz18

F412 wrote:

I think they should try to make minimal noise if people are asleep regardless of the time. Why the cut off between 11am and 6am? 11am is only late evening to me Id be awake another 2 or possibly 3 hours, why should I have to be extremely quiet at 1am when someone else is asleep and they not be quiet at 6:30 am when I'm asleep?

I would say because in most estates and apartment blocks these are generally the quiet hours where people are not meant to make a lot of noise. I've lived in places where the quiet time was all evening because my housemate worked nights, it wasn't an issue because it was mentioned before I moved in. I would be a late riser myself but I consider from 6 onwards as reasonable because people have to work. I don't share but my bedroom overlooks a courtyard so on a given morning I could be woken by the child next door crying or the motorbike across the way starting up.

Yes it's annoying but its part and parcel of sharing and being in an urban area. I'm the same as you OP as I'm from the countryside but imo if you want the quiet you get there you're going to have to either rent alone in a properly soundproofed place or find a place out in the countryside. I agree with the others- blended smoothies separate quickly so the night before is useless (I've personal experience of this).

Imo it was a mistake on your part to assume their hours were the same as yours and the only remedy is to say something to them along the lines of "do you mind keeping it down the door/blender/singing is waking me up". Don't start justifying by mentioning your surround sound etc otherwise you'll come across as petty.

Squall Leonhart

F412 wrote:

For me 6:30 is an extremely early hour to be getting up.

I don't see why noise should be fair game from 6am when people are sleeping and not fair game at 1am.

I think they should try to make minimal noise if people are asleep regardless of the time. Why the cut off between 11am and 6am? 11am is only late evening to me Id be awake another 2 or possibly 3 hours, why should I have to be extremely quiet at 1am when someone else is asleep and they not be quiet at 6:30 am when I'm asleep?

...moving out my alarm to 9:20 when I was woken early in order to get an extra bit of sleep

There seems to be some sense of entitlement here. YOU keep the irregular hours. It is not within an ass's roar of being unreasonable to be up and going about your day midweek at 6:30am onwards.

Aside from shift workers, hospitality staff, medical staff etc, having your breakfast at 7am is completely normal and acceptable.

Playing music and watching tv with your surround sound system until or after 1am is not typical behaviour in a house share situation, and to be fair to you, you've modified this to cater to your housemate. However, it is you who keep the unusual hours so I wouldn't expect him to cater to you by getting up later or tip toe-ing about the house. I would expect courtesy and some consideration of those asleep which it seems he is doing, he doesn't have the telly on blaring or the radio waking the house, he's making his breakfast!

You are the square peg trying to fit into the round hole here, not the other way around.

Tar.Aldarion

I usually would only get up for work at 8:30 at the earliest but usually approaching 9 or even later on occasion while the other housemate gets up even later.

I think you assume people you work with and you are the norm, you are not. It is perfectly normal to be up at 6/6:30 for people. These are the norm for getting ready for work for a lot of people, yes people work later but that doesn't matter, it is still normal hours. That is why 3:30am is different than 6:30am. You get up very late compared to 90% of working people

F412

Squall Leonhart wrote: »

You are the square peg trying to fit into the round hole here, not the other way around.

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

I think you assume people you work with and you are the norm, you are not. It is perfectly normal to be up at 6/6:30 for people. These are the norm for getting ready for work for a lot of people, yes people work later but that doesn't matter, it is still normal hours. That is why 3:30am is different than 6:30am. You get up very late compared to 90% of working people

In fairness I don't think getting up at 6 to 6:30 is the norm at all. I would say 7am to 8am would cover quite a lot of people but still even looking at this poll (which wont be overly accurate but still gives an idea) almost 50% of voters get up after 8am.

As I mentioned I've lived with quite a few different people in the last few years, accountants, IT professionals, finance workers, engineers, construction workers and I work in a science related discipline myself and I wold say 7:45 onwards was when most people I have lived with would start getting up. Out of say 15 or 16 different housemates I reckon only two or possibly 3 (including my current one) got up before 7:30am. I usually aim to get up between 8:30 and 9 which is very normal in my area of work and also for a lot of people working in IT, various different roles in multi-nations etc which all have very flexible start times.

Alf Veedersane

F412 wrote: »

In fairness I don't think getting up at 6 to 6:30 is the norm at all. I would say 7am to 8am would cover quite a lot of people but still even looking at this poll (which wont be overly accurate but still gives an idea) almost 50% of voters get up after 8am.

As I mentioned I've lived with quite a few different people in the last few years, accountants, IT professionals, finance workers, engineers, construction workers and I work in a science related discipline myself and I wold say 7:45 onwards was when most people I have lived with would start getting up. Out of say 15 or 16 different housemates I reckon only two or possibly 3 (including my current one) got up before 7:30am. I usually aim to get up between 8:30 and 9 which is very normal in my area of work and also for a lot of people working in IT, various different roles in multi-nations etc which all have very flexible start times.

What's normal isn't defined by the area you work in or your own straw poll though.

Construction workers in bed until 7.30? Not unless they sleep on site.


There's nothing particularly early about getting up at 6.30. Not for me or any of the people I've ever lived with who worked. Last house I lived in we'd have all been out of the house by 7.30/7.45 and those people included scientists, engineers, architects and people working in finance.

F412

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

What's normal isn't defined by the area you work in or your own straw poll though.

The link I was referring to was from a poll on this site with a few hundred replies but the link I inserted didn't show up in the post.

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Construction workers in bed until 7.30? Not unless they sleep on site.

Well I worked for a construction company myself for a number of years in the summers and weekends while I was an undergrad and bar a handful of people working on contract rather than actual employees of the company people started between 9 and 9:30, I was never up before 8:30 for work then either.

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

There's nothing particularly early about getting up at 6.30. Not for me or any of the people I've ever lived with who worked. Last house I lived in we'd have all been out of the house by 7.30/7.45 and those people included scientists, engineers, architects and people working in finance.

I still maintain that before 7am is very early to get up and only a minority of people are up at 6 or 6:30.

As far as noise in the morning, I think that before 8am when (personally I'd say when ever people are asleep people should make an effort to keep quiet but lets set a time) people should make an effort to keep quiet in the house, close doors gently, try to avoid noisy appliances, no loud talking etc.

Alf Veedersane

F412 wrote: »

Well I worked for a construction company myself for a number of years in the summers and weekends while I was an undergrad and bar a handful of people working on contract rather than actual employees of the company people started between 9 and 9:30, I was never up before 8:30 for work then either.

Not something I've encountered so. I've been on many a site through work and my brother works as en engineer on site and it would be rare that the majority of workers wouldn't be on site by 8.[/QUOTE]

F412 wrote: »

I still maintain that before 7am is very early to get up and only a minority of people are up at 6 or 6:30.

As far as noise in the morning, I think that before 8am when (personally I'd say when ever people are asleep people should make an effort to keep quiet but lets set a time) people should make an effort to keep quiet in the house, close doors gently, try to avoid noisy appliances, no loud talking etc.

It's not early.

It's just early for you. And yes, you can have a conversation with them about managing the sound level. But there isn't anything unreasonable (though singing is pushing it) in what the housemate is doing.