BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day

JohnBoy26

unkel wrote: »

I couldn't agree more. I tend to go for cars that "the man in the pub" reckons are sh1te. Well the man in the pub doesn't know his arse from his elbow and I'm the one laughing buying great cars for peanuts

I think "the man down the pub" will have the last laugh in this case tbh. Those yokes are buckets of cr@p and are poorly built. You'd nearly get over the faults though if they were good to drive but they ain't that either tbh.

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Blaaaaarp

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10598766

colm_mcm

Burble burble!

alan partridge aha

CheezePleeze wrote: »

[URL="[IMG]https://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-vel-satis/8807696[/IMG]"]Are these Vel Satis a hidden gem?[/URL]

https://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-vel-satis/8807696

As awful as they look on the outside, they look worse on the inside.

milltown

I like them a lot.
Not sure I'd have the huevos to invest my own money in one though.

unkel

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

It's a lot easier to act like that though when you don't strictly "need" the car to be reliable.

What's that supposed to mean? Everybody needs their car to be reliable, surely?

Thankfully nearly all cars are very reliable these days. They start every morning, they go from A to B without breaking down.

JohnBoy26

unkel wrote: »

What's that supposed to mean? Everybody needs their car to be reliable, surely?

Thankfully nearly all cars are very reliable these days. They start every morning, they go from A to B without breaking down.

What do you base this on? Also that pug isn't from these days

Toyotafanboi

unkel wrote: »

What's that supposed to mean? Everybody needs their car to be reliable, surely?

Thankfully nearly all cars are very reliable these days. They start every morning, they go from A to B without breaking down.

It means that if you depend on your car, if you need to know your car will start, say if you work a long way from home or only have one family car etc, you need a car that pretty much promises no drama.

If I was a single, healthy man living less than a 2 or 3 miles from work for example I wouldn't mind driving a risky bangernomics car like the 607, because some cars are ****ter than others and i'd say that car could be a heart breaker, but if I wasn't relying on the car I probably wouldn't mind as much if it threw up the occasional problem in exchange for driving a cheap swanky car. plenty of modern cars are far from consistantly reliable in my experience.

I'm not trying to draw a direct comparison to the 607, but my neighbour has a 307 1.6hdi the last 5 years or more for example, and they take reasonable care of it. I'm actually sick of the amount of times they call in looking for a jump or a push start and it's definitely had at least one new battery in that timeframe, it's definitely been recovered via tow truck from outside their house no less than 3 times that i've seen. It's an unreliable piece of junk.

robertpatterson

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Blaaaaarp

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10598766

Love the look of those foresters
Are there any known issues with them

cadaliac

robertpatterson wrote: »

Love the look of those foresters
Are there any known issues with them

That looks like a great example to be fair. Bargin to boot (no pun intended).
Supposed to be very reliable but thirsty.
A good test drive should see if there are any suspension issues. Make sure it turns well (lock to lock) the drive shafts could be worn out, after all there is 150k miles on it.
Anyway - more here;
http://www.cnet.com/news/not-every-subaru-all-wheel-drive-system-is-created-equal/

166man

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

I think "the man down the pub" will have the last laugh in this case tbh. Those yokes are buckets of cr@p and are poorly built. You'd nearly get over the faults though if they were good to drive but they ain't that either tbh.

I'd say that's because the man down the pub in this case is yourself salivating at the thought of a basic spec Toyota Yaris or Corolla.

You have any experience of these big Pugs? What is it that goes wrong with them?

They're big and French, before they were even built they were going to depreciate like a tonne of bricks, doesn't make them a bad car though.

CJhaughey

robertpatterson wrote: »

Love the look of those foresters
Are there any known issues with them

Ex UK car, I'd be checking the underside carefully for signs of rust.
Northern and Scottish cars are the worst.

Toyotafanboi

166man wrote: »

I'd say that's because the man down the pub in this case is yourself salivating at the thought of a basic spec Toyota Yaris or Corolla.

You have any experience of these big Pugs? What is it that goes wrong with them?

They're big and French, before they were even built they were going to depreciate like a tonne of bricks, doesn't make them a bad car though.

I'm sure you understand yourself that the posing a question like "what goes wrong in peugeots" is about as barstool as it gets. You know yourself some models are better than others within any brand.

Personally i've had a 106 and a 306 and found them both to be quite good in my ownership, generally I think the 'x06' range of peugeots were quite good. At the same time, i'm fairly sure that a lot of 307's and 407's were absolutely awful in terms of reliabilty, so that sets a bit of a precend in terms of reliabilty for the 'x07' peugeot range for me anyway.

It's just something people seem to tolerate in cars that we don't with other stuff.

I really miss my Huawei G7 mobile phone. It was a fantastic spec, looked just like as good as an iphone 6 and it was only €199, it crashed a lot but that was ok, because it was cheap. Said no man ever.

We are so unwilling to accept unreliability in any other consumer item, but in cars it's considered ok by some. I have no idea why.

Long Time Lurker

166man wrote: »

I'd say that's because the man down the pub in this case is yourself salivating at the thought of a basic spec Toyota Yaris or Corolla.

You have any experience of these big Pugs? What is it that goes wrong with them?

They're big and French, before they were even built they were going to depreciate like a tonne of bricks, doesn't make them a bad car though.

I agree with you in principle. There's a lot of pub talk about what cars are shiote and which aren't. Depends too what you define as a 'good car' I positively hate Hyundai Sonatas and to a car purist they're awful. But to someone who'd like a big comfortable car with loads of extras and excellent reliability for 600 quid there's hardly better.

Then there's the opposite end of the stick. A couple of years ago you could find a relatively good Fiat Coupe for bangernomics money. Now they're no dung bucket but they had their issues (as do most to be fair) Thing is though you could have smoked around like the Don for 1300 quid in a 5 pot turbo knocking spots off guys in BM 320s and get your money back after a year. That's also good bangernomics.

But back to the Peugeot that started all this. Yes there's bar stool experts, yes there are cars that most hate that make great bargains, yes there the obvious 95 Honda Civics that are without reproach with a test at 400 bucks. That Peugeot though, that is without doubt - when all the numbers are crunched and going with personal knowledge - an unmitigated bucket of wallet destroying, hard shoulder finding, previously unseen fault code reading pile of shiote :-)

Long Time Lurker

Just add sump drop and clean €250.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10610563

Long Time Lurker

As above

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10608678

unklerosco

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Just add sump drop and clean €250.

Whats this?

Long Time Lurker

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58536#/forumsite/21020/topics/58536?page=1

Long Time Lurker

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10589818

unkel

Nice Z3 - as a second car it could qualify for classic insurance (typically €150-€300) too

Long Time Lurker

unkel wrote: »

Nice Z3 - as a second car it could qualify for classic insurance (typically €150-€300) too

Yeah that's kinda what I though. If you're like me and have the good luck to have a three mile trip to work and back you can even use it as a daily. That's why my daily is stupid :-)

unkel

I must be like you. My daily is also a RWD 2 seater convertible

I wouldn't mind buying that Z3. Anyone want to buy my 1.6l MGF?

Long Time Lurker

unkel wrote: »

I must be like you. My daily is also a RWD 2 seater convertible

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Mines a 4 seater sometimes RWD, sometimes 4WD convertible :-)

acronym Chilli

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58536#/forumsite/21020/topics/58536?page=1

The estate model linked, claims to have a full service history
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/saab-estate/10610563
From the pictures at least some of that was with Saab dealers.

If so, the sludge issue might be less of a worry since they'll have used fully synthetic oil for much/all of the car's life, changed it on appropriate intervals, and the amended "Positive Crankcase Ventilation" (PCV) kit should have been fitted. Even if all that's been done was to keep putting full synthetic in every 6k miles, it should probably be ok.

The HOT Aero also claims history/folder-of-receipts.

Now, on the other hand, I know an old Saab with a more patchy service history! :cool: Could you PM where to get a sump drop and clean for €250? I'm sort of reluctant to take on the job myself, though by all accounts it's not the worst job? Still, a lot of lying under the car involved.

Long Time Lurker

Is that the one from a few days ago?

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10624769

Toyotafanboi

Handy money for your man. Buy car, multiply purchase price by 3, wait.

I'm all for a lad making money, but that's almost exploitation, but I guess that's just life. Oh well. Personally, I hope he's stuck with it.

alan partridge aha

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Is that the one from a few days ago?

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10624769

Well spotted that's the one alright, looking for a nice profit.

Long Time Lurker

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Well spotted that's the one alright, looking for a nice profit.

>>>>>>>>

Direct to dreamer thread

Long Time Lurker

Blaaaaaaaaaaarrrrp

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10511684

JohnBoy26

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Handy money for your man. Buy car, multiply purchase price by 3, wait.

I'm all for a lad making money, but that's almost exploitation, but I guess that's just liferife. Oh well. Personally, I hope he's stuck with it.

Fyp. It's Happening all the time lately. All the good cheap cars are snapped up and re sold for a big premium. As you say a lad making a few euro is all well and good but the likes of the above is sickening to see imo.