Best 2 litre diesel car in the market

Pushkov

I am thinking of upgrading my car to a new 2 litre diesel for next year. Still actively doing the research; but these are the cars shortlisted for now:

1) Skoda Superb
2) Toyota Rav4
3) Volkswagen Passat

I am thinking of going for PCP option.

Is there any other cars I missed? I just would like to know considering depreciation and the value which is the best car out there. Please also comment if buying a new car is not a good idea?

Thanks,

colm_mcm

how did the rav4 end up in that list?

Pushkov

"how did the rav4 end up in that list?"

I consider both saloons and SUVs. Since Rav4's fuel efficiency is good, I put that also in that list.

mullingar

Pushkov wrote: »

I am thinking of upgrading my car to a new 2 litre diesel for next year. Still actively doing the research; but these are the cars shortlisted for now:

1) Skoda Superb
2) Toyota Rav4
3) Volkswagen Passat

I am thinking of going for PCP option.

Is there any other cars I missed? I just would like to know considering depreciation and the value which is the best car out there. Please also comment if buying a new car is not a good idea?

Thanks,

Same cars, different badge......


/runs for cover

colm_mcm

I can't see the rav4 hold on as much value as the other's. I'd imagine they'll replace the 2.0 engine with the bmw 1.6 engine soon.

Pushkov

Thanks - that is a valid information. Does it mean they wont have a 2.0 diesel option in 2016? I was under the impression that depreciation is low for Rav4.

colm_mcm

rav4s used to hike their money well but the qashqai is the depreciation daddy since 2007

Canadel

Had a 2011 Ford Mondeo 2 litre diesel - one of the nicest cars I've driven and I include audi and bemmers in that.

Notch000

mullingar wrote: »

Same cars, different badge......


/runs for cover

are you sure, I always thought the superb was a much bigger car , epically inside?

bazz26

Canadel wrote: »

Had a 2011 Ford Mondeo 2 litre diesel - one of the nicest cars I've driven and I include audi and bemmers in that.

Hardly going to have low depreciation though which the OP wants. Mondeos traditionally suffer big depreciation.

ifeelstupid

Not a 2L but I would include Honda Accord on that list, ultra reliable (in my experience) and 50+ mpg

colm_mcm

they're a bit long in the tooth now though

Tea 1000

Notch000 wrote: »

are you sure, I always thought the superb was a much bigger car , epically inside?

No, boards talk make people believe that. Same car, Superb is a slightly stretched platform, making the car 9.4 cm longer, or 5.0 cm longer wheel-base. Hardly "much bigger"! Handy for rear seat space if the front folk are tall.
I'd go with the Passat Highline. Great all round car.

bazz26

You will not get 50+mpg from the i-DTEC Accord diesel. Mid to late 40s is probably as good as you will get unless you drive like a granny.

ifeelstupid

bazz26 wrote: »

You will not get 50+mpg from the i-DTEC Accord diesel. Mid to late 40s is probably as good as you will get unless you drive like a granny.

I am consistently getting around 52mpg on mainly national and regional roads, occasionally have granny in the car but don't let her take the wheel:pac:

colm_mcm

I can't see anybody giving the accord a high enough gmfw to make PCP affordable. It'll be discontinued by the time the term ends.

George Dalton

ifeelstupid wrote: »

I am consistently getting around 52mpg on mainly national and regional roads, occasionally have granny in the car but don't let her take the wheel:pac:

An i-DTEC?
Can't be done IMO.

An i-CTDi?
Plausible.

George Dalton

colm_mcm wrote: »

I can't see anybody giving the accord a high enough gmfw to make PCP affordable. It'll be discontinued by the time the term ends.

It will also be an absolutely ancient design.

Having said that, at the moment secondhand values are incredibly high, especially for the EX models.

bazz26

Dealers still have a good few of them new unsold despite them being no longer made for the last 8 months.

tanko

bazz26 wrote: »

Dealers still have a good few of them new unsold despite them being no longer made for the last 8 months.

So, is the Accord finished for good. Are they replacing it with something else?

colm_mcm

There is a new global model accord spirior supposedly on the way, but no word on whether Europe will get it.
The trend is away from non premium large saloons.

bazz26

Honda have no plans to sell a new Accord in Europe again anytime soon. They don't even offer the Civic is saloon here anymore either. They seem to be concentrating on crossovers and small SUVs now. HRV is making a comeback to rival the Nissan Juke.

Tun_80

Just thought I'd share my view as I've drove the new Passat and Superb in the last week, the Passat was 151 Comfortline and Superb was 152 Style, The Passat I thought was lovely to look at and interior was well finished but a complete bore to drive and unless your willing to spend stupid money on extras it had no wow factor for what your spending, it was the 1.6 tho so I'd presume the 2.0 is allot better, but with the price I bet 95% of new Passats will be 1.6.

The Skoda on the other hand although 10k dearer than the Passat I drove had everything, lovely on the road, very well equipped and finished. We were actually giddy getting out of it, it left that good an impression, after driving it I feel Skoda is entering a new era and would recommend anyone thinking about one to just go for it, styling imo is in a different league to their old stuff.

colm_mcm

You should have driven a fully loaded Passat as well.

Gorteen

Toyota Avensis 2.0 D4D.

Great engine. Comfortable and very reliable.

Tun_80

colm_mcm wrote: »

You should have driven a fully loaded Passat as well.

Yes I wouldn't doubt it's would be a fantastic car fully loaded and with the 2 litre but your pushing 50k then while the Superb was around the 38k mark, doesn't make sense to me unless u feel it has to be a Passat!

bazz26

Where are you getting a fully loaded Superb for 38k? A 2.0 TDi 150bhp L&K Superb starts at just over 40k, and that's before you start ticking the options list. The days for buying Skodas 10k cheaper than VWs are well gone.

MuppetCheck

Tun_80 wrote: »

Yes I wouldn't doubt it's would be a fantastic car fully loaded and with the 2 litre but your pushing 50k then while the Superb was around the 38k mark, doesn't make sense to me unless u feel it has to be a Passat!

It won't cost you 50k to match the Superbs spec with the Passat... There's cheap packs at the moment and it would come in and around the same price.

simdan

MuppetCheck wrote:

It won't cost you 50k to match the Superbs spec with the Passat... There's cheap packs at the moment and it would come in and around the same price.

So the 10-12k saving doesn't really apply.. I'd go with the passat any day of the week at the same money.. Miss my 2.0 170 sport..

Tun_80

bazz26 wrote: »

Where are you getting a fully loaded Superb for 38k? A 2.0 TDi 150bhp L&K Superb starts at just over 40k, and that's before you start ticking the options list. The days for buying Skodas 10k cheaper than VWs are well gone.

Sorry, yes your correct, but it had everything you'd actually want, to get the Passat with roughly the same spec would be 47-48k it was painfully obvious in the Passat when you haven't selected an extra as there's loads of empty black plastic buttons, it highlights what you didn't get.

Armchair Andy

George Dalton wrote:

Having said that, at the moment secondhand values are incredibly high, especially for the EX models.

Why so that? Thinking of trading in my own EX as baba no. 2 on the way. plus I've lost all my crown hair lifting number 1 in and out of the back door!

hurleronditch

You could have the new Mazda 6 for about 34k in reasonable trim and 150 brake or around 39k with all the kit and 175bhp.

Far more car, and infinitely better looks that the competition for the price

Tun_80

hurleronditch wrote: »

You could have the new Mazda 6 for about 34k in reasonable trim and 150 brake or around 39k with all the kit and 175bhp.

Far more car, and infinitely better looks that the competition for the price

Yes definitely the best looker imo, depreciation is supposed to be pretty bad tho and trim doesn't match the quality of the vw or skoda I hear.

Donkeygonads

Check out the restyled Hyundai i40 Exec Plus , 141hp, leather, heated s/wheel, rev camera, elec everything , 5 yr unlimited mileage ...All for 33k !!! I drove the Avensis recently, easily the most bland car ever made, couldn't wait to get out of it.

Noccy_Mondy

bazz26 wrote:

Hardly going to have low depreciation though which the OP wants. Mondeos traditionally suffer big depreciation.

Be interesting to see if the mk5 will suffer from the same issue. Seeing as both the mk3 and 4 depreciated like a stone, one would assume the mk5 will be no different.

colm_mcm

as long as there's a steady supply of cheap UK mondeos they'll always be cheap

JohnBoy26

hurleronditch wrote: »

You could have the new Mazda 6 for about 34k in reasonable trim and 150 brake or around 39k with all the kit and 175bhp.

Far more car, and infinitely better looks that the competition for the price

Seen a few recently, I think their looks are overrated tbh. they're not that great looking In the flesh imo, or at least no where near as good as they look in pics.

colm_mcm

The new mondeo is the opposite of that. Looks a bit meh in pictures but great in the flesh.

I do think the 6 looks great though.

George Dalton

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Why so that? Thinking of trading in my own EX as baba no. 2 on the way. plus I've lost all my crown hair lifting number 1 in and out of the back door!

Supply and demand. Check the number of Accords for sale on Carzone at any given time compared to Passat/Mondeo/Insignia etc.

They are fetching crazy money IMO. They are a nice car and all but I certainly wouldn't pay what they are making.

We sold a 2011 EX model recently. €3000 less would have bought a 2011 Insignia Elite with 50k fewer kms on it. I know where my money would have been going....

bazz26

The Mazda 6 is a beautiful car especially in Platinum spec but I just won't take a chance with that diesel engine. The Sky ActiveD engine seems to be following a similar trend of previous Mazda diesel efforts.

George Dalton

bazz26 wrote: »

The Mazda 6 is a beautiful car especially in Platinum spec but I just won't take a chance with that diesel engine. The Sky ActiveD engine seems to be following a similar trend of previous Mazda diesel efforts.

I don't know why they don't just use the engine from the Mondeo. That crap Mazda diesel engine ruins a very nice car IMO.

colm_mcm

Didn't ford and Mazda break off friends there?

bazz26

The 2, 3 and 6 don't share anything with similar Fords anymore.

George Dalton

Ah ok, I didn't realise they weren't BFFs any more. I stand corrected!

The Mazda diesel is still sh1te though :pac:

colm_mcm

Think the ranger and bt50 are the only cousins still for sale

bazz26

Shame really.

JohnBoy26

George Dalton wrote: »

I don't know why they don't just use the engine from the Mondeo. That crap Mazda diesel engine ruins a very nice car IMO.

Not sure if the latest models are any better but their use of crap metal and non existant rust protection also ruins their cars.

Tea 1000

George Dalton wrote: »

Ah ok, I didn't realise they weren't BFFs any more. I stand corrected!

The Mazda diesel is still sh1te though :pac:

I'd much sooner it than the Ford dung.

trabpc

George Dalton wrote: »

An i-DTEC?
Can't be done IMO.

An i-CTDi?
Plausible.

My 05 i-ctdi averages 52 53 mpg but im 90% motoryway 200kms a day.
Ive herd the newer model is not supposed to be as frugal.

Has the insignia improved that much from the earlier 2009 models that it would be more reliable than an accord?