What do Irish people want?

ps3man

Was just on Facebook there and the Journal posted up an article about how Joan Burton is planning on cutting taxes for people €30-60k through a reduction in USC. I thought great, a little more in my pocket every month, surely people will love that. Wrong

I clicked onto it and there are people commenting going mad saying why are we reducing taxes when there is a homeless crisis and that it is irresponsible etc. And some people saying that we should be paying more tax. YES MORE!

I don't know if its just me but I can't move around social media without seeing a Dublin Says No or Anti Austerity Alliance with people commenting saying they can't afford anymore taxes etc when it comes to water charges and property taxes. Yet these same people are now saying the exact opposite. I hate to say it but these people protesting can't be in employment, and if they are, they haven't looked at a payslip lately and seen how much PAYE, PRSI and USC takes at the end of the month.

As someone who is on the lower end of that salary scale, I for one can't wait to have a little back in my pocket even if it is just a fiver a week.

KungPao

Free potatoes?

freshpopcorn

Free water.
No road tax/tolls.
No V.A.T
No property tax.
No universal social charge.
No incomes taxes that are below €100k.
Free health care.
No hospital waiting lists.
Low class numbers.
Loads of Gardai/Nurses/Tearchers/S.N.A
No homelessness.
Zero unemployment.
Social welfare some people want more and some people want less.
No homelessness.

8-10

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Free water.
No road tax/tolls.
No V.A.T
No property tax.
No universal social charge.
No incomes taxes that are below €100k.
Free health care.
No hospital waiting lists.
Low class numbers.
Loads of Gardai/Nurses/Tearchers/S.N.A
No homelessness.
Zero unemployment.
Social welfare some people want more and some people want less.
No homelessness.

Long live Hooky Street

ardinn

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Free water.
No road tax/tolls.
No V.A.T
No property tax.
No universal social charge.
No incomes taxes that are below €100k.
Free health care.
No hospital waiting lists.
Low class numbers.
Loads of Gardai/Nurses/Tearchers/S.N.A
No homelessness.
Zero unemployment.
Social welfare some people want more and some people want less.
No homelessness.

And some fresh popcorn!!!

DivingDuck

Unfortunately, Irish people are human, and therefore there's no collective agreement on what we want. Everyone wants what lines up with their personal priorities, and that varies enormously from person to person, which is why the government here struggles with anything they want to do (or stop doing, or never have done at all).

Don't worry; when the Borg arrive, it will all be sorted out.

NachoBusiness

For the people of the world to leave us be, mending our shoes and looking after our pots of gold.

freshpopcorn

ardinn wrote: »

And some fresh popcorn!!!

Fresh popcorn will be free for all with a bonus for Christmas.
Along with zero student fees/contribution.
I'd also abolish corporation tax.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

If the taxes aren't to be abolished so as we can house homeless people it's only fair that people on the dole pay a portion of the cost too. A real community effort, instead of it being left to the rest of us

deco nate

8-10 wrote: »

Long live Hooky Street

Freedom hooky Street....

freshpopcorn

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Free water.
No road tax/tolls.
No V.A.T
No property tax.
No universal social charge.
No incomes taxes that are below €100k.
Free health care.
No hospital waiting lists.
Low class numbers.
Loads of Gardai/Nurses/Tearchers/S.N.A
No homelessness.
Zero unemployment.
Social welfare some people want more and some people want less.
No homelessness.

But apart from all that, WHAT HAVE THE ROMANS EVER DONE FOR US? :mad:

corner of hells

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Free water.
No road tax/tolls.
No V.A.T
No property tax.
No universal social charge.
No incomes taxes that are below €100k.
Free health care.
No hospital waiting lists.
Low class numbers.
Loads of Gardai/Nurses/Tearchers/S.N.A
No homelessness.
Zero unemployment.
Social welfare some people want more and some people want less.
No homelessness.

And no eggnog, in fact no nog at all.

cerastes

ps3man wrote: »

Was just on Facebook there and the Journal posted up an article about how Joan Burton is planning on cutting taxes for people €30-60k through a reduction in USC. I thought great, a little more in my pocket every month, surely people will love that. Wrong

I clicked onto it and there are people commenting going mad saying why are we reducing taxes when there is a homeless crisis and that it is irresponsible etc. And some people saying that we should be paying more tax. YES MORE!

I don't know if its just me but I can't move around social media without seeing a Dublin Says No or Anti Austerity Alliance with people commenting saying they can't afford anymore taxes etc when it comes to water charges and property taxes. Yet these same people are now saying the exact opposite. I hate to say it but these people protesting can't be in employment, and if they are, they haven't looked at a payslip lately and seen how much PAYE, PRSI and USC takes at the end of the month.

As someone who is on the lower end of that salary scale, I for one can't wait to have a little back in my pocket even if it is just a fiver a week.

Maybe they are earning under 30K, that doesnt seem to enter it your thread? So the Govt admit USC is a tax??? reducing tax by cutting USC, you say or they say?

If they are going to lower it, why dont they lower it universally, hit the part under up to 30k so everyone feels the benefit? not just some?

Woman makes me sick

Clarebelly

ps3man wrote: »

What do Irish people want.

The truth.

frozenfrozen

sit down and keep up with the kardashians during the day, go to their debs each evening, watch gaa at the weekend before winning all their accumulators on premier league football while having free pints in their local. then drive home in a diesel lamborghini before riding a prostitute.

is that really too much to ask for?

Kenny Bania

deco nate wrote: »

Freedom hooky Street....

It's Viva, not Freedom.

Daith

Kenny Bania wrote: »

It's Viva, not Freedom.

Mon dieu!

Permabear

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JustTheOne

And now introducing the Christmas bonus for welfare recipients.

They are given out saying its buying votes. Just can't win the government.

And of course the whole sure we can't house the homeless yet they can give us a bonus.

How noble it would be if these unemployed people who want the bonus to help homelessness actually gave the homeless their bonus.

Somehow I doubt it. All talk but only really care about themselves under it all.

Sickening.

JustTheOne

cerastes wrote: »

Maybe they are earning under 30K, that doesnt seem to enter it your thread? So the Govt admit USC is a tax??? reducing tax by cutting USC, you say or they say?

If they are going to lower it, why dont they lower it universally, hit the part under up to 30k so everyone feels the benefit? not just some?

Woman makes me sick

Because maybe people on low wages are paying next to nothing tax as it is.

corner of hells

JustTheOne wrote: »

And now introducing the Christmas bonus for welfare recipients.

They are given out saying its buying votes. Just can't win the government.

And of course the whole sure we can't house the homeless yet they can give us a bonus.

How noble it would be if these unemployed people who want the bonus to help homelessness actually gave the homeless their bonus.

Somehow I doubt it. All talk but only really care about themselves under it all.

Sickening.

Homeless people will get the bonus too.

awec

cerastes wrote: »

Maybe they are earning under 30K, that doesnt seem to enter it your thread? So the Govt admit USC is a tax??? reducing tax by cutting USC, you say or they say?

If they are going to lower it, why dont they lower it universally, hit the part under up to 30k so everyone feels the benefit? not just some?

Woman makes me sick

Because people earning over 30k pay a lot more taxes than those earning less than it and are more deserving of some relief.

The middle earners are always neglected, it's about time they got something back.

Manach

In response to OP, wanted: for the state not to such a large burden both in terms of matters financial and regulatory ( a semi-state body is everywhere these days seemly). Unwanted: To be grateful that this government consents to loan us back a bit more of own money and that we should gratefully vote them back into power.

tritium

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Free water.
No road tax/tolls.
No V.A.T
No property tax.
No universal social charge.
No incomes taxes that are below €100k.
Free health care.
No hospital waiting lists.
Low class numbers.
Loads of Gardai/Nurses/Tearchers/S.N.A
No homelessness.
Zero unemployment.
Social welfare some people want more and some people want less.
No homelessness.

And more oil reserves than the entire middle east (though we'd probably still manage to piss it away)

Generic Dreadhead

Irish people want others around them to do worse in life more than they, themselves, want to do better

aaakev

awec wrote: »

Because people earning over 30k pay a lot more taxes than those earning less than it and are more deserving of some relief.

The middle earners are always neglected, it's about time they got something back.

Exactly. I earn near the higher end of that scale and the amount of tax I pay is shocking. I pay nearly the same in tax a week as someone earns on minimum wage!

Kenny Bania

aaakev wrote: »

Exactly. I earn near the higher end of that scale and the amount of tax I pay is shocking. I pay nearly the same in tax a week as someone earns on minimum wage!

Me too - I paid €82k in tax last year. That supports 10 people on welfare.

diomed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O85c_4z3rjE

c_man

What do Irish people want?

The ride?

MilesMorales1

Right now I want a breakfast roll.

smash

Reduced only for people earning €30-60k... That bracket is too small!

racso1975

Nope there is one reduction for the sub 70k bracket and another for the 70k plus group.......and as fukin always with these decisions in this country the 70k plus group end up with more money after it then the lower paid group. :rolleyes::rolleyes: rich get richer and all that

myshirt

I think the problem is that there are now two classes of people.

Those that have everything, and those that have nothing.

I'm not really sure if there is genuinely anyone in the middle anymore. It's an illusion.

awec

racso1975 wrote: »

Nope there is one reduction for the sub 70k bracket and another for the 70k plus group.......and as fukin always with these decisions in this country the 70k plus group end up with more money after it then the lower paid group. :rolleyes::rolleyes: rich get richer and all that

That's because the cuts are a percentage.

The people who contribute the most benefit the most from reduction in rates. The people who contribute the least benefit the least.

People getting outraged at this is amusing. It's the fairest way to do it.

smash

racso1975 wrote: »

Nope there is one reduction for the sub 70k bracket and another for the 70k plus group.......and as fukin always with these decisions in this country the 70k plus group end up with more money after it then the lower paid group. :rolleyes::rolleyes: rich get richer and all that

They fcuking earn more so of course they end up with more. :rolleyes:

Would there be a point in earning 100k if you're going to end up with as much as someone earning 30k?

Kenny Bania

racso1975 wrote: »

Nope there is one reduction for the sub 70k bracket and another for the 70k plus group.......and as fukin always with these decisions in this country the 70k plus group end up with more money after it then the lower paid group. :rolleyes::rolleyes: rich get richer and all that

Do you understand at all how the world works?

Try this basic analogy using beer:

Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100.If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this..

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7.
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.
So, that's what they decided to do.



The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20.” Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.



The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody's share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a100% saving).
The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving).
The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving).
The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving).
The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving).
And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving).
Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.

But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got £1 out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a £1 too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next week the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important - they didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.


For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible

For Forks Sake

Clarebelly wrote: »

The truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA

ArtSmart

Drink, Fecking, and Girls.

PizzamanIRL

Well I wouldn't mind some melon with Parmesan ham as a starter, then fried chicken with cream of mushroom drizzled over it, with a side of crispy chips, and lemon cheesecake for dessert.

That's all. Is that too much to ask?!

PolaroidPizza

Modern Irish people inherited a country founded on socialist principles..however due to language, proximity and history ( and a lack of strong leadership) we quickly took up the worst elements of the welfare state from the UK and capitalist ideals from the US.
Then Irish people with their relatively recent prosperity have returned from emigration and had different ideas on how an economy can be run...but this never translated itself into the political system. An economic crisis later and traditional Ireland is still afraid to vote for reform.
We dont know exacyly what we want...but we know what doesnt work...yet we still all vote for it.

questionmark?

You can give the public everything they ever wanted and most will still find something to feckn moan about. I mean the country was so broke that we were ****ed but yet no one wants to pay for anything!

Look at the water charges. Years of under investment, looking at it long term there was a few choices but with the same outcome. No investment and carry on with **** water supply -people not happy, Could increase income tax to pay for it - people not happy, pay for what you use - people not happy, Could increase property tax to raise money for it - people not happy, cut other services to pay for it - people not happy, raise motor tax to pay for it - people not happy, cut all water supply and tell people to collect rain water and urine for drinking - people not happy.

Irish people are great at moaning and not wanting to pay for ****!

boobar

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Free water.
No road tax/tolls.
No V.A.T
No property tax.
No universal social charge.
No incomes taxes that are below €100k.
Free health care.
No hospital waiting lists.
Low class numbers.
Loads of Gardai/Nurses/Tearchers/S.N.A
No homelessness.
Zero unemployment.
Social welfare some people want more and some people want less.
No homelessness.

That'll do for a start

Serjeant Buzfuz

Boobies

Realt Dearg Sec

Cold beer, warm pussy, and somewhere to take a **** with a door on it.

Tarzana2

ps3man wrote: »

I don't know if its just me but I can't move around social media without seeing a Dublin Says No or Anti Austerity Alliance with people commenting saying they can't afford anymore taxes etc when it comes to water charges and property taxes. Yet these same people are now saying the exact opposite.

Are they the same people?

Richard Hillman

All these mad-cap groups only account for about 3-4% of the electorate. Before the internet era they were easily ignored. Now because they all have a voice, it seems like there are even more of these obnoxious head cases.

Realt Dearg Sec

Richard Hillman wrote: »

All these mad-cap groups only account for about 3-4% of the electorate.

Let me guess, straight off the top of your head?