Looking for subbing work

Wexford96

Hello.
Could anyone tell me if there is a centralised place to register as a sub teacher in Dublin? Or online with the Dept of Ed?
What do teachers who return from abroad do to find a job? Just keep an eye on educationposts.ie as well as the newspapers?
Thanks.

Redser87

Sign up to text a sub on educationposts, and INTO sub search.
ETA this only applies to primary teachers, not sure if you are looking for secondary work.

saythatagain

For post primary: ASTI have a substitution list you can sign up to. Register your details with your local education centre(s), they usually have a subs list also. ETB usually have a form you fill in aswell, if they need any subs, they go to that list.

byhookorbycrook

INTO branch secretary often takes numbers too.

Wexford96

Redser87 wrote: »

Sign up to text a sub on educationposts, and INTO sub search.
ETA this only applies to primary teachers, not sure if you are looking for secondary work.

I'm secondary. Am I allowed to sub in primary schools?

Redser87

Wexford96 wrote: »

I'm secondary. Am I allowed to sub in primary schools?

Unless you also have a qualification in primary teaching, no, there are enough qualified primary teachers looking for subbing work that it is highly unlikely that you would be called even for the unqualified rate. If schools wish to take on an unqualified sub they have to jump through hoops to show that they could not find a qualified teacher, plus I think each school is limited to five days a year where the des will pay an unqualified sub.

man_no_plan

Have you posted or dropped your CV into any schools?

All I hear is that there are hundreds of jobless teachers. Not one cv has come in the door this year.

You have to be proactive too.

Wexford96

man_no_plan wrote: »

Have you posted or dropped your CV into any schools?

All I hear is that there are hundreds of jobless teachers. Not one cv has come in the door this year.

You have to be proactive too.

That's a very good point. Should this be done after council membership is obtained? Or should teacher start visiting schools right now with CV's?
Thanks.

Wexford96

Also, should a teacher visit the shool in person with CV, or is it ok just to send one in the post addressed to the principal?

Redser87

Wexford96 wrote: »

Also, should a teacher visit the shool in person with CV, or is it ok just to send one in the post addressed to the principal?

Go in person, more chance of meeting the principal and them having a face to the name.

man_no_plan

Redser87 wrote: »

Go in person, more chance of meeting the principal and them having a face to the name.

If agree but if you can't I'd at least post one.

Please spell principal correctly and put your subjects in the first paragraph of a cover letter.

monaghanmissus

Wexford96 wrote: »

Also, should a teacher visit the shool in person with CV, or is it ok just to send one in the post addressed to the principal?

Try your best to pop in in person. When I subbed, I did the CV rounds in early September. At midterm, I emailed the school with a copy of my CV to remind them that I was still available.

Might sound like something simple, but print a small business card with your details and clip it to your CV. A few principals mentioned it to me that they thought it was a great idea. Meant that they didn't have to go rooting through the pile and that my details were easily accessible on their noticeboard.

Wexford96

monaghanmissus wrote: »

Try your best to pop in in person. When I subbed, I did the CV rounds in early September. At midterm, I emailed the school with a copy of my CV to remind them that I was still available.

Might sound like something simple, but print a small business card with your details and clip it to your CV. A few principals mentioned it to me that they thought it was a great idea. Meant that they didn't have to go rooting through the pile and that my details were easily accessible on their noticeboard.

Great idea. Will get some cards printed immediately. Thanks for that smart advice. I'm also a fan of dropping in to schools. Takes time though. Managing to reach 5-6 schools per day.

monaghanmissus

Wexford96 wrote: »

Great idea. Will get some cards printed immediately. Thanks for that smart advice. I'm also a fan of dropping in to schools. Takes time though. Managing to reach 5-6 schools per day.

Don't bother going and ordering them online though, Microsoft Publisher has some templates. Just stick in a nice simple clip art image with it and print on card.

hockey21

Wexford96 wrote: »

Great idea. Will get some cards printed immediately. Thanks for that smart advice. I'm also a fan of dropping in to schools. Takes time though. Managing to reach 5-6 schools per day.

Hey just wondering iv done all my cvs for subbing in just wondering do I find out the principals name for my cover letter for each school or do I just write dear principal? I'm going to a lot of schools???

Crazyteacher

hockey21 wrote: »

Hey just wondering iv done all my cvs for subbing in just wondering do I find out the principals name for my cover letter for each school or do I just write dear principal? I'm going to a lot of schools???

Find out their name from the website or DES schools list. It's an effort but makes it more professional. In doubt ring the school office and ask for the principals name before going in.

hockey21

Crazyteacher wrote: »

Find out their name from the website or DES schools list. It's an effort but makes it more professional. In doubt ring the school office and ask for the principals name before going in.

Yeah that's what I was thinking des has a list I'll put in the extra work hopefully get something

tosh999

Website subteacher.ie is the first port of call for many DP's when looking for subs;)

TheDriver

Don't send it to principal, CVs always take days to make it to me. I tried working my way through pile of CVs last week and struggled to get anyone available.

hockey21

TheDriver wrote: »

Don't send it to principal, CVs always take days to make it to me. I tried working my way through pile of CVs last week and struggled to get anyone available.

I'm going round the schools, I'm primary and try and meet the principal and hopefully get something iv moved county so difficult to get in iv also made business cards to stick in with my cv just hoping I get something

hockey21

tosh999 wrote: »

Website subteacher.ie is the first port of call for many DP's when looking for subs;)

Thanks I'm primary but that website looks great 😊iv signed up for text sub one text came through for September and I'm on into sub search which I'll turn on next week as I'm officially left my school from next week

Redser87

hockey21 wrote: »

I'm going round the schools, I'm primary and try and meet the principal and hopefully get something iv moved county so difficult to get in iv also made business cards to stick in with my cv just hoping I get something

It's a tough time for subs, we have only had one in so far this year for one day in a medium sized school. Another tip is to have your cv, business card and garda vetting ready to go so if you are lucky enough to be fastest finger on text a sub that they will have your cv on file. This time last year was when I started picking up three days a week, I remember because it was just after the all Ireland football final!

Crazyteacher

tosh999 wrote: »

Website subteacher.ie is the first port of call for many DP's when looking for subs;)

Most schools make their own sub list .

hockey21

Redser87 wrote: »

It's a tough time for subs, we have only had one in so far this year for one day in a medium sized school. Another tip is to have your cv, business card and garda vetting ready to go so if you are lucky enough to be fastest finger on text a sub that they will have your cv on file. This time last year was when I started picking up three days a week, I remember because it was just after the all Ireland football final!

Great thanks yeah have everything in my cv all ready to go just hope I get something iv taken a huge chance left my permanent job to move county with my family been applying since May. Dint get many interviews so getting a bit worried have cv business card everything ready to go now so I'll visit all the schools next week fingers crossed I get something

Wexford96

Guys,
Could anyone tell me how much approx a sub teacher makes per hour? Or how much a sub can expect for 22 hours per week?
Also, are subs paid weekly or monthly? Does the school pay subs,or are they paid by the Dept.?
Thank you.

Exiled1

Check the DoES website for pay-rates.
You need to have something in your CV that makes you stand out from the crowd. Find it, highlight it and spread the word. Agree the best chance you have is get on your bike and meet as many Principals/DPs as you can. Looking at trends on education post.ie etc is not very helpful.

D4RK ONION

Having a car makes you stand out for one thing. It helped me get started because principal's knew I could get there quick.

katydid

D4RK ONION wrote: »

Having a car makes you stand out for one thing. It helped me get started because principal's knew I could get there quick.

Definitely. And you can have a wider scope of possible employers. Be prepared for long journeys.

hockey21

katydid wrote: »

Definitely. And you can have a wider scope of possible employers. Be prepared for long journeys.

Hey I'm new to subbing I'm just wondering how often should subs be getting work I'm just subbing day to day but this week very quiet I was expecting at least 3 days a week????? Am I setting myself up for a fall??????

katydid

hockey21 wrote: »

Hey I'm new to subbing I'm just wondering how often should subs be getting work I'm just subbing day to day but this week very quiet I was expecting at least 3 days a week????? Am I setting myself up for a fall??????

Impossible to know. The autumn is just setting in, so you'll find that more and more people will be out with colds and flus. Mind you, with the new sick leave rules, people are more hesitant to take certified days, so they will struggle into work where once they'd have stayed at home...

Just cross your fingers for a lousy winter :-)

Crazyteacher

hockey21 wrote: »

Hey I'm new to subbing I'm just wondering how often should subs be getting work I'm just subbing day to day but this week very quiet I was expecting at least 3 days a week????? Am I setting myself up for a fall??????

It's a lot quieter this year than other years. Last year I was working 4 days a week minimum. This year I've only got one day subbing a week. It's very hard when you've got bills to pay. Have you signed up for JSA , they may give you a payment for the days you don't work.

mirrorwall14

Unfortunately with the government forcing all teachers to do unpaid supervision and cutting the hours available to schools for cover there is not a lot out there. You are reliant on certified sick leave primarily and with the cuts to those people are coming to school sick. Our school is now completely using time in lieu as well where you used to get the odd free class. I'm pretty certain our school is using TIL to help plug the gaps for uncertified cover etc

katydid

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Unfortunately with the government forcing all teachers to do unpaid supervision and cutting the hours available to schools for cover there is not a lot out there. You are reliant on certified sick leave primarily and with the cuts to those people are coming to school sick. Our school is now completely using time in lieu as well where you used to get the odd free class. I'm pretty certain our school is using TIL to help plug the gaps for uncertified cover etc

Time in lieu? Never heard of it - in teaching, I mean.

mirrorwall14

katydid wrote: »

Time in lieu? Never heard of it - in teaching, I mean.

It's what our school calls it anyway. My class is gone somewhere so I cover someone else

Crazyteacher

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

It's what our school calls it anyway. My class is gone somewhere so I cover someone else

A lot of schools I worked in last year did that but I still got more calls for subbing with sick leave, parental leave, inservice, practicals, and school trips . It must be the change in self certified sick leave that has brought the change.

Wexford96

Crazyteacher wrote: »

It's a lot quieter this year than other years. Last year I was working 4 days a week minimum. This year I've only got one day subbing a week. It's very hard when you've got bills to pay. Have you signed up for JSA , they may give you a payment for the days you don't work.

Hi. Would you mind telling me what JSA is?

Crazyteacher

Wexford96 wrote: »

Hi. Would you mind telling me what JSA is?

Sorry job seekers allowance , payment from department of social protection when unemployed.

solerina

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

It's what our school calls it anyway. My class is gone somewhere so I cover someone else

We don't have an actual term for it but we are the same in that if your entire class is gone on a trip you cover the classes of the teachers gone on the trip.

katydid

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

It's what our school calls it anyway. My class is gone somewhere so I cover someone else

Ah ok, I know the concept. Just never heard the phrase in that context.

Wexford96

Hi Folks,
Just a quick question. A sub is working in a school 100 miles from home in a very remote location and spends most of income on accommodation/travelling.
This sub teacher is offered a position in her home town and wants to start this job immediately. Can she do this? Is it necessary to give notice to faraway school? Can she simply tell them "I'm leaving"?
Thank you.

man_no_plan

Wexford96 wrote: »

Hi Folks,
Just a quick question. A sub is working in a school 100 miles from home in a very remote location and spends most of income on accommodation/travelling.
This sub teacher is offered a position in her home town and wants to start this job immediately. Can she do this? Is it necessary to give notice to faraway school? Can she simply tell them "I'm leaving"?
Thank you.

Are you doing casual subbing or is it a maternity leave or such?

There's no enforceable thing a school can do to stop you leaving. You need to look after yourself. However if your current students are going to be left without a teacher you might want to reflect on that a bit.

I could understand why a teacher would pull the plug and walk away like you suggest on a personal level, my only concern would be for classes that would be left in the lurch.

byhookorbycrook

In primary, depending on the length of subbing, you could be asked to work out notice, though this would be rare, once someone was ready to take over and the original school and students wouldn't be left in the lurch.

Crazyteacher

Your friend should explain their reasons as outlined. Usually notice depends on how long a person is employed by an organisation though teaching is probably different. I'd recommend giving at least a weeks notice before leaving (or 2 if possible), it gives the school time to find a replacement and it demonstrates some professionalism.

TheDriver

You don't have to give any notice unless a contract was signed. However do explain it and thank them for the opportunity

Wexford96

Thank you for those replies. The school will find it very hard to get a replacement and some students will be left in the lurch probably. This is what is troubling the teacher. Either way, a decision needs to be made soon. Thanks all

Crazyteacher

What subject is it? Is it a language? Or is it primary?

ari gold24

Sorry for the apparent negative post but is there any indication to say that job opportunities will improve in the near future? I'm in the final few months of the new 2 year PME course (subjects: Business and Accounting) and am beginning to get a little disheartened by the perceived lack of work out there.

It was a huge financial commitment to undertake and I am genuinely not in a position to be unemployed come September.

Crazyteacher

You might be lucky and get a maternity leave. It's going to be a long long road until you get any long term sort of contract. Business in particular is a very oversubscribed subject for teaching. The colleges never tell their prospective students how bad it is out employment wise. Good luck to you.

Edit: are you any good at maths? Have you any maths credits in your degree? Adding some on would help your prospects (expensive as it is).

man_no_plan

I dont know how many teachers 10-15 years ago walked into PWT jobs straight out of their degree either though. There were more TWT jobs alriight on full hours but I did about 5 years of being 'non-permanent' my self and i know that loads of others in my class did the same. We came out in the early 00's.

It can be a hard slog, and in the case of business and accounting maybe even harder.

It wouldnt be difficult to project how many teachers of each subject would be needed over the next ten years and prioritise entry to the PME based on this.