Damp Squib Possible in Irish Champion Stakes

byronbay2

I really hope they don't get too much rain at Leopardstown today and tomorrow, as soft ground would be a disaster for the Champion Stakes - "The Race Of The Year". All of the top 4 in the betting (Golden Horn, Free Eagle, The Grey Gatsby and Gleneagles) could (probably would) be pulled if the going was soft, which must be a strong possibility at this stage. We could end up with a 3 or 4 runner race!

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/preview/680871/weather-watch-ahead-of-champion

The Mig

They're due a deluge this evening. I'm 5 minutes away from the course and the clouds do not look good!

Francie Barrett

I am going to this tomorrow, so I want constant rain updates, stat!

hurleronditch

Rain has been torrential in South Dublin for the last 4 hours!!

hawkeyethenoo

cirrus des aigles for me at 11/1, can see a few of the big runners not running with the rain, cirrus will love it.

kalinisi

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I am going to this tomorrow, so I want constant rain updates, stat!

Im flying into Dublin from Toronto in the morning, bags into the gaff and then straight to leopardstown with auld fella, better not all pull out ill be ragin!

CH3OH

MET.ie forecast for Dublin
May not be too bad

Tonight
The rain will ease and become intermittent at times later in the night. Lowest temperatures 9 to 12 Celsius with moderate to fresh southeast winds veering southwest to west late in the night or during the early morning.

Tomorrow

Cloudy, misty and wet on Saturday morning with the rain persistent at times. However, drier and brighter weather will develop during the early afternoon with sunny spells at times and a risk of few scattered showers. Top temperatures 14 or 15 Celsius, with moderate to fresh west to southwest winds.

Richard Hillman

There is no way that Golden Horn will run. Gleneagles will probably run if Golden Horn pulls out early. It's bucketing down out here but has been quite dry of late so maybe the ground has some soakage. I would imagine that with the history of Golden Horn and Gleneagles, the grounds people have been quite relaxed on giving the ground much water this week.

mohican22

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is no way that Golden Horn will run. Gleneagles will probably run if Golden Horn pulls out early. It's bucketing down out here but has been quite dry of late so maybe the ground has some soakage. I would imagine that with the history of Golden Horn and Gleneagles, the grounds people have been quite relaxed on giving the ground much water this week.

I'd have to say it is the other way round
Gosden says Golden Horn runs if it good to soft or better
Won't run if it soft
No chance Gleneagles will run given what AOB and Coolmore have stated previously if he does It'll be Tabor,Magnier and Smith forcing AOB to run
Some weekends racing ahead I fancy AOB to win both Legers abit wary of Agent Murphy in Irish Leger

Emotionless is the nearest thing to a certainty in first at Newmarket tomorrow there very short got 11/10 with Paddy lastnight
Tananza D.Weld Aga Khan bred 2 year I think is abit special according to Weld prefers cut yet handled Good to Firm in his 2 wins only does enough
Showed a serious turn of foot the last day to go past a good AOB 2 year old think it was Alice Springs

skippymac6

Unfortunately I'd have to imagine that at least one of the three year olds will pull out. The weather has been fairly atrocious in Dublin all evening

mohican22

skippymac6 wrote: »

Unfortunately I'd have to imagine that at least one of the three year olds will pull out. The weather has been fairly atrocious in Dublin all evening

Doubt either of them will run in that case

Harry Angstrom

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is no way that Golden Horn will run. Gleneagles will probably run if Golden Horn pulls out early. It's bucketing down out here but has been quite dry of late so maybe the ground has some soakage. I would imagine that with the history of Golden Horn and Gleneagles, the grounds people have been quite relaxed on giving the ground much water this week.

It's a case of what might have been with both of these horses. Coolmore took Gleneagles out of the Sussex and the ground ended up being no worse than good. Gosden took Golden Horn out of the King George and a donkey of Cumani's ended up winning it. Time is running out for both of them and there's not much left to go for. Serves them right.

Still reckon Golden Horn will take the beating if Gosden lets him run.

Francie Barrett

Been reliably informed that Roachdale House in the last at Leopardstown has been its target since switching stables to Dermot Weld. Very nice run last time out should mean this is fit as a flea for today. Will relish the trip and cut in the ground. 11/1 best price now - will be nowhere near that at the off.

irish_major

Seriously fancy windsor park in the premier handicap. 14/1 with 4 places a smashing bet imo

idnkph

irish_major wrote: »

Seriously fancy windsor park in the premier handicap. 14/1 with 4 places a smashing bet imo

I was wondering do you think Smullen choosing to ride Silwanna has any bearing on this. He rode WP last time out when winning. He also rode Benkie last time out and won and was 2nd on his mount when 10l behind fields of athenry.
I think he feels the best horse of the bunch is Silwanna.
Having said that Im going for AOB horse in this carrying bottom weight and Anistasia claiming another few lbs to get it below 8st. JOB is riding for halford in this and I think Its good tactics by AOB to get her on board Sherlock Holmes and do a job on this field.
9/1 best price.

idnkph

Having a small bet on Pleascach in the big one just because i think the 16/1 is great value. I think Bolger has being always aiming for this one and might just have him ready with a great run of form.

Cape wolf in the last Stands out for me in the last at lep too. 10/1 atm but i think will be shorter before the off.

happy punting people

Ger Lyons could have a very good day here today too with Colin keane on some good horses.

krustydoyle

Western Boy in the 4.40 for me, won't mind the cut in the ground at all and is available at 10/1 with Powers

sdoc13

I think my old favourite clockmaker may welll go close in the second at chester. Waa drawn wide last run and used an awful lot of energy getting to the front in the early stages. Drawn 3 today and at 14/1 looks a bit of value to me. Pillar to post victory hopefully. 1 pt win.

Lady lunchalot in the second last at lingfield looks like a bit of value as well at 16/1. Favorite looks strong so a bet in the w/o fav market may be most prudent. 1pt win 1 pt win w/o fav 9/1 betfair sportsbook

In the second at donny tangerine trees looks the standout value with bet365 33/1 5 places. Down to a mark of 90. Won off 93 at the start of the season. 1 pt ew

Harry Angstrom

Legatissimo could be vulnerable in the Matron - soft ground, dropping back to a mile and she's been beaten twice at the track. Amazing Maria could be a bit of value at 11/4.

abarkie

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Legatissimo could be vulnerable in the Matron - soft ground, dropping back to a mile and she's been beaten twice at the track. Amazing Maria could be a bit of value at 11/4.

Raydara is a horse I have following over the proverbial cliff

E/w 20/1 has to be backed

Johner

Christ that was unreal from Limato.

kksaints

Gleneagles out.

Harry Angstrom

kksaints wrote: »

Gleneagles out.

He's fast becoming the Lord Lucan of horse racing.

Harry Angstrom

Can't understand how an Ebor fifth is only a point longer than a Derby third and an Irish Derby runner up. Storm The Stars for me.

krustydoyle

Be jaysus Simple Verse was gutsy there..

Will she keep it though??

STB.

Atzeni should be thrown out. You cant just burst out like that. (no bet btw)

krustydoyle

STB. wrote: »

Atzeni should be thrown out for that. You cant just burst out like that.

Talking through your pocket??

Theres being worse offences this week and jockeys only got bans.

He'll get a few days and keep the race

STB.

krustydoyle wrote: »

Talking through your pocket??

Theres being worse offences this week and jockeys only got bans.

He'll get a few days and keep the race

What! No bet. Lovely assumption though.

If jockeys think they can just make a gap thats not there, then the rules may as well not be in place.

Howjoe1

krustydoyle wrote: »

Talking through your pocket??

Theres being worse offences this week and jockeys only got bans.

He'll get a few days and keep the race

Would be thrown out in France, and rightly so.

Harry Angstrom

O'Donoghue is milking this. Hope the filly keeps the race.

krustydoyle

STB. wrote: »

What! No bet. Lovely assumption though.

If jockeys think they can just make a gap thats not there, then the rules may as well not be in place.

Jack Mitchell interfered with 6 horses in a race and got 8 days for it

Bans and no further action id say

STB.

Proper Order. Reversed.

krustydoyle

COD won that with his gob for sure

Johner

Bondi Beach wasn't going by, think it's a bad call.

STB.

krustydoyle wrote: »

COD won that with his gob for sure

I beginning to think you that you are the one talking through your pocket.

What a thing to say to someone!

It was blatant. This isnt a feckin 5 grand apprentices handicap. The rules are the rules. You sit and suffer, you dont make gaps, by bursting through.

krustydoyle

Johner wrote: »

Bondi Beach wasn't going by, think it's a bad call.

Exactly, was never getting by the filly.. absolute joke (no bet btw)

No consistency in the rules either..

Johner

STB. wrote: »

I beginning to think you that you are the one talking through your pocket.

What a thing to say to someone!

It was blatant. This isnt a feckin 5 grand apprentices handicap. The rules are the rules. You sit and suffer, you dont make gaps, by bursting through.

So where is the consistency? Usually that's just a ban for the rider.

paddy no 11

Wrong decision

CH3OH

No bet-- It was the talking in the stewards room that won that
to me it was six of one and half a dozen of the other

STB.

Johner wrote: »

So where is the consistency? Usually that's just a ban for the rider.

There is no consistency in horse racing Johner, no doubt.

But when you have a stewards enquiry in the world's oldest classic, stewards should most definitely apply the rules. Its £400k to the winner.

How many times have you seen your horse hemmed in and the race lost as a result ?

The English on Ch4 aren't happy as one of "their own" lost the race.

idnkph

Think that's wrong. COD was not riding in a straight line. His horse was lying into the other very subtly. He knew he wouldn't get passed him buy tried to close him in. Worked for him tho.

CH3OH

Fair play to Atzeni for coming out and winning the next

Mostly Harmless

Simple Verse will get the race back on appeal.

The rules are wrong but there's no way she should have lost the race based on the rules.

tryfix

Had no bet in the race, the stewards finally took a proper decision. A head in it with all that interference and bumping by the winner particularly in the final furlong.

The English stewards enquiry rules have been ridiculous for a long time. Basically the stewards have been encouraging jockeys to cheat by interfering to win with no consequences for the winning horse.

It's high time that something was done about it.

Harry Angstrom

CH3OH wrote: »

Fair play to Atzeni for coming out and winning the next

Fair play to Paul Hanagan for having a word with him after the result of the stewards' enquiry as well.

Harry Angstrom

tryfix wrote: »

The English stewards enquiry rules have been ridiculous for a long time. Basically the stewards have been encouraging jockeys to cheat by interfering to win with no consequences for the winning horse.

It's high time that something was done about it.

I'd prefer the English rules to the silly rules in France and America where minimal interference often sees the best horses being thrown out.

STB.

Mostly Harmless wrote: »

Simple Verse will get the race back on appeal.

The rules are wrong but there's no way she should have lost the race based on the rules.

I doubt it. Rule 153 has been revised so many times at this stage. The questions are

(i) Was the nature of the incident such as to place in serious jeopardy the safety of any horse or rider?
(ii) Was the progress of any horse substantially impeded?
(iii) Was it necessary for any rider to take significant evasive action?
(iv) Was the interference sustained?
(v) Did the rider create a gap when one did not previously exist?

If the answer to all of these questions is NO, then the interference is unlikely to have jeopardised the safety of any other horse or any rider and may be considered to be of a minor nature, thereby giving the stewards the power to leave the places unaltered. If the answer to any of the questions is YES, the horse responsible for causing interference will be placed behind those horses which suffered interference.

irish_major

Windsor park was only out for the run. Good call by the poster who said about smullens horse. I wouldn't ever read too much into that though as windsor park a nh horse I'd always expect smullen to pick the flat bread horse.
Oh well.

krustydoyle

krustydoyle wrote: »

Western Boy in the 4.40 for me, won't mind the cut in the ground at all and is available at 10/1 with Powers

Happy enough with that run but was never catching the winner (2nd)

STB.

Must be the day of the doubles and trebles for jockeys. Edward Greatrex, 3 out of 3 (and in a row) at Lingfield @ 450/1.

jimjamcos

They shot the wrong JFK! Lol

In all seriousness, if they hadn't ran him this season they could have said he was as good as Gleneagles!