you will need a car

sheesh

zombie apocalypse card http://donalokeeffe.com/zom.html

I figured you guys would be interested in these

degrassinoel

i'd live in that bus even without the ZA

Tzar Chasm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ex-army-alvis-stalwart-6x6-amphibious-lorry-/11727016

The_Valeyard

The van yes.


The bus no. Too easily toppled by marauding gangs or zombie swarm.

my3cents

The_Valeyard wrote: »

The van yes.


The bus no. Too easily toppled by marauding gangs or zombie swarm.

Have you seen how hard it is to topple over a double decker bus? The UK regs are that the bus has return upright from a 28 degree tilt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt_test_(vehicle_safety_test)

In the United Kingdom, double-decker buses have to:

be capable of leaning, fully laden on top, at an angle of 28 deg without toppling over before they are allowed on the road.

Buona Fortuna

The_Valeyard wrote: »

The van yes.


The bus no. Too easily toppled by marauding gangs or zombie swarm.

Nah, has to be the Stalwart.

ScumLord

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ex-army-alvis-stalwart-6x6-amphibious-lorry-/11727016

That even seems resonably priced.

The bus or van is probably the best vehicle for the job. A long wheel base high roof van would probably be the most ideal. The bus or van is going to be able to handle all the extra weight. I don't think cars would hold up to well to all that extra weight. They might do just fine but these kind of modifications are going to put pressure on everything from the engine to the suspension meaning that any of those things could fail in the heat of the moment when you need them most.

The bus would be well able to deal with the weight but will cause problem due to it's size, it could end up getting stuck, again not a huge issue most the time, but getting stuck in the wrong place at the wrong time could mean your end.

The big van is somewhere in the middle, it's designed to carry extra weight and it's designed to do big millage.

The biggest problem with all modern vehicles is they're not easy to service. If things go wrong you'll need all the right tools, they're not really designed with roadside repairs in mind.

Kiith

I always wonder why no one uses bikes in zombie situations. Ok, there's not much direct protection, but you can travel huge distances, cover almost any kind terrain, and never have to worry about fuel.

That Royal Mail van looks pretty handy too though

my3cents

Kiith wrote: »

I always wonder why no one uses bikes in zombie situations. Ok, there's not much direct protection, but you can travel huge distances, cover almost any kind terrain, and never have to worry about fuel.

That Royal Mail van looks pretty handy too though

Plenty of room on the bus for a bike or two.

The bus seems to be missing a hatch in the roof. Handy for escape and for firing down on attacking Zombies.

A door to shut off the top deck from the lower deck would also be handy.

Tzar Chasm

Those things would be handy enough to sort out if ya had a bus.

Maybe one of those newer coaches would be a better base vehicle

Buona Fortuna

ScumLord wrote: »

That even seems resonably priced.

The bus or van is probably the best vehicle for the job. A long wheel base high roof van would probably be the most ideal. The bus or van is going to be able to handle all the extra weight. I don't think cars would hold up to well to all that extra weight. They might do just fine but these kind of modifications are going to put pressure on everything from the engine to the suspension meaning that any of those things could fail in the heat of the moment when you need them most.

The bus would be well able to deal with the weight but will cause problem due to it's size, it could end up getting stuck, again not a huge issue most the time, but getting stuck in the wrong place at the wrong time could mean your end.

The big van is somewhere in the middle, it's designed to carry extra weight and it's designed to do big millage.

The bus will have to watch out for any low bridges.

The van and the bus will both be knackered if routes are blocked with abondoned vehicles or road blocks. When it comes to off road - the stolly wins

The biggest problem with all modern vehicles is they're not easy to service. If things go wrong you'll need all the right tools, they're not really designed with roadside repairs in mind.

Stolly again - its all last century "Elephant Engineering".

Tzar Chasm

Yeah, Stolly wins as a blank canvas.

BigDuffman

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ex-army-alvis-stalwart-6x6-amphibious-lorry-/11727016

Fueling that beast will be an issue.

Buona Fortuna

BigDuffman wrote: »

Fueling that beast will be an issue.

Yeah but it has a bigger problem

degrassinoel

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Yeah but it has a bigger problem

low bridges?

Buona Fortuna

degrassinoel wrote: »

low bridges?

Not so much. The six-wheel drive is permanent, so on tarmac roads it tends to wind up the transmission. This led to them being low-loadered to where they would be used.

Another solution is to disconnect two of the prop shafts.

Still not quite the hot wheels they first appeared

Tzar Chasm

was thinking about this, how hard would it be to re engineer the system with a new multi ratio Gearbox and transfer case?

maybe even a newer more efficient engine whilst we're at it.

but even taking the load off the steer wheels would make a massive difference to how it runs, I presume its 3 independent axels as opposed to a rear bogey system

TheWarChicken

Best thing is to raid an army base for vehicles. Irish army basically have bugger all when it comes to tanks but an APC or IFV would be flat the best option. In every aspect except fuel. Can be easily modified for z protection and are of course military vehicles. Bulletproof, kinda mine resistant, easily enough to hold against any mine an Irish raider could come up with, and besides, a HMG is always handy.

TheWarChicken

Actually, I'm wrong. You don't need a car! You need a boat. Go over to spike island and nick a destroyer or something. Even better clear out the island and dig in. It's a military base, plenty of supplies weapons and ammo. Besides, boat just sail away and anybody trying to follow you gets a 76 to the face.

Buona Fortuna

TheWarChicken wrote: »

Best thing is to raid an army base for vehicles. Irish army basically have bugger all when it comes to tanks but an APC or IFV would be flat the best option. In every aspect except fuel. Can be easily modified for z protection and are of course military vehicles. Bulletproof, kinda mine resistant, easily enough to hold against any mine an Irish raider could come up with, and besides, a HMG is always handy.

Maintenance on anything tracked would be huge.

TheWarChicken

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Maintenance on anything tracked would be huge.

Provided it needs it, it will likely break down less.

ScumLord

TheWarChicken wrote: »

Provided it needs it, it will likely break down less.

Especially when you don't know how to make it do anything.

TheWarChicken

ScumLord wrote: »

Especially when you don't know how to make it do anything.

That's not the vehicles fault, and surely it would be worth learning

Buona Fortuna

TheWarChicken wrote: »

That's not the vehicles fault, and surely it would be worth learning

That's three counts against the vehicle before the getgo.

• Knowledge
• Tools
• Spareparts

Tracks are going to need some sort of maintenance every 200 miles or so.

TheWarChicken

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

That's three counts against the vehicle before the getgo.

• Knowledge
• Tools
• Spareparts

Tracks are going to need some sort of maintenance every 200 miles or so.

Yes, but it's bulletproof, also mine resistant and depending on the vehicle sealed from biological and radioactive threats.

Buona Fortuna

TheWarChicken wrote: »

Yes, but it's bulletproof, also mine resistant and depending on the vehicle sealed from biological and radioactive threats.

And if it can't move because it lost a track, because you ran out of lynch widgets (these may or may not be necessary), then what?

Those NBC systems need power to operate. More fuel to find and more maintenance to carry out.

Its nice, but in the medium to long term, the lack of spare parts and fuel would defeat it. IMHO of course

ScumLord

TheWarChicken wrote: »

That's not the vehicles fault, and surely it would be worth learning

It would, but there might not be anyone left to teach you. It may not be all that difficult to get going but the first time something goes wrong you're screwed.

TheWarChicken wrote: »

Yes, but it's bulletproof, also mine resistant and depending on the vehicle sealed from biological and radioactive threats.

Handy, but your unlikely to come across to many mines in Ireland and unless you've got a shelter to pull into that also has biological and radioactive protection it won't do you much good.

Military vehicles are not in the same league as civilian vehicles. They have a completely different design brief. They are designed to work within a military structure and not so much designed to work individually on their own. Most are horribly uncomfortable so would be difficult to live with on a daily basis. They won't use off the shelf parts a lot of the time, they are easy to fix, if you know what you're doing but will often require specialised equipment to deal with the large weights.


If you did get a tank, it would probably be best to figure out the basics of making it move and fire and then locking it up in a shed as a backup, assume it's only going to work once and when it breaks down you won't be able to fix it. So it's an emergency deterrent rather than a daily driver.

Tzar Chasm

Well, if you find yourself down my way after a Zombie outbreak, expect Mines/IED's

Part of my defensive plan is to create a cordon along the land side of the peninsula a few hundred meters wide with fences, ditches, pungee traps, mines, barbed wire... and anything else i can lay my paws on.

I will now be adding Tank Traps to that list

ScumLord

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Well, if you find yourself down my way after a Zombie outbreak, expect Mines/IED's

Part of my defensive plan is to create a cordon along the land side of the peninsula a few hundred meters wide with fences, ditches, pungee traps, mines, barbed wire... and anything else i can lay my paws on.

I can see a flaw with this plan. If your traps work and are effective, won't you basically end up surrounded by zombies?

TheWarChicken

ScumLord wrote: »

I can see a flaw with this plan. If your traps work and are effective, won't you basically end up surrounded by zombies?

At least he won't be with the zombies.

Tzar Chasm

Well the isthmus is manageable and it still leaves us with a decent tract of land, with teh Atlantic on 3 sides.

Tzar Chasm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1985-lj70-toyota-landcruiser/12816545

To inject a small dose of reality here, this is all the vehicle you will ever need, rugged, dependable, easily maintained, easily adapted, and reasonably priced. If I had the cash this would be a different post, along the lines of - look at my new car

TheWarChicken

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1985-lj70-toyota-landcruiser/12816545

To inject a small dose of reality here, this is all the vehicle you will ever need, rugged, dependable, easily maintained, easily adapted, and reasonably priced. If I had the cash this would be a different post, along the lines of - look at my new car

Wouldn't be too difficult to stick an MG on the top of it and bolt some steel plate to the side really. Nice little all purpose vehicle. Wonder if we can get recoilless rifles here?

Tzar Chasm

This is the setup you want

Minus the stupid wheels and add a set of mesh screens on the windows.

adding more weight reduces the efectivness of the vehicle, and i think a roof rack is more useful than a machine gun.
You have a car, therefore you can drive away from danger, Z's arent a problem, and you should be able to outrun other humans, unless they too have Fj 78 landcruisers, in which case they are kindred spirits and you should stop for a chat

TheWarChicken

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

This is the setup you want

Minus the stupid wheels and add a set of mesh screens on the windows.

adding more weight reduces the efectivness of the vehicle, and i think a roof rack is more useful than a machine gun.
You have a car, therefore you can drive away from danger, Z's arent a problem, and you should be able to outrun other humans, unless they too have Fj 78 landcruisers, in which case they are kindred spirits and you should stop for a chat

Yes, chat while your friend either places an explosive under said car, or steals it.

Tzar Chasm

See, this is why I'm building Tank traps.

My plan involves rebuilding a society afterwards, thats more difficult if you murder everyone you meet.

D0NNELLY

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

To inject a small dose of reality here, this is all the vehicle you will ever need.

Grizzly 45

Mercedes Vintage Unimog. Bullet proof easily fixed /repairable diesel engine. Basic tool kit of rock,hammer and leatherman multi tool .Goes from crawler gear to 65mph on road.Lot of parts are compatible with 70s and 80s mercedes cars and trucks.Demountable rear cabin and with front and rear PTO,and 3point linkage you can plough the survivalist garden.

Blackdragon72

I used to work in the cash transportation business and drove an armoured Merc 814, stonking bug out vehicle, aint no fecker getting in that. Secure as secure is. If you knew what you had to do to get on board you would be surprised.

ScumLord

Blackdragon72 wrote: »

I used to work in the cash transportation business and drove an armoured Merc 814, stonking bug out vehicle, aint no fecker getting in that. Secure as secure is. If you knew what you had to do to get on board you would be surprised.

What's the milage like on one of those things though?

BrokenArrows

Inject a dose of reality

Fuel supplies will be gone almost immediately.

Correctly stored Petrol will only last up to 6 months before it doesnt work anymore.

Diesel will last towards 1 year.

However fuel in car tanks is not correctly stored. It will be dirty in most cases and wont last even close to that amount of time.

Fuel stabilizers might add 50% to those numbers.

But running an engine after society dies is not feasible simply because you dont have access to a fuel supply.

Your safest bet is to Load up a boat on day 1 with as much food as you can and get to a small island and hunker down.

ScumLord

The island gets mentioned a lot but I don't think it's going to be anything other than a very temporary solution. Also, if you don't have any experience with boats it's probably a good idea to stay well away from the atlantic ocean.

Island life can be pretty harsh, long term food production could be difficult and if other's have the same idea or come looking for you, you're sort of trapped and isolated, you'll be entirely dependant on being able to out row/sail the other people.

Blackdragon72

ScumLord wrote: »

What's the milage like on one of those things though?

Not too bad really considering they weigh 7.5T! Reliability was only an issue for us due to all the computers on board. Apparently they are happy to take sustained fire from a GPMG though not sure how long for.

Tzar Chasm

Why would you be taking sustained fire, you are in a vehicle, drive away.

Fuel is not as big an issue as people think, BioDiesel is fairly handy to make, and a lot of those big engines will run on vegetable oil anyway.

A decent maintenance schedule at a secure and well stocked base of operations will see your vehicle last a very long time.

my3cents

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Why would you be taking sustained fire, you are in a vehicle, drive away.

Fuel is not as big an issue as people think, BioDiesel is fairly handy to make, and a lot of those big engines will run on vegetable oil anyway.

A decent maintenance schedule at a secure and well stocked base of operations will see your vehicle last a very long time.

How many rounds do you think a GPMG could get off as you are driving away?

British Army GPMG (as was)
Calibre 7.62mm
Muzzle velocity 838m/s
Feed 100-round disintegrating link belt
Effective range 800m light role, 1800m sustained fire role
Cyclic rate of fire 750 rounds per minute

Tzar Chasm

750 Rpm is a theoretical maximum, the belt is 100 rounds long, and realistically the weapons are only fired in short bursts, otherwise the barrel melts. Then theres the 'spray gun' nature of the weapon, 50% accuracy would be fairly good for an average apocalypse survivor, and that would be for close range encounters.So if you were hit more than 200 rounds in your escape you would have ****ed up seriously

Blackdragon72

Especially when the possibility of a raid when i worked with the company would involve a road block which would not be small enough to ram out the way. The bad guys will be able to put a lot of rounds your way. Chances of a GPMG are remote but AK's are common enough as well as explosives. If someone is going to attack you on the road they are going to make sure you are not going to drive out of it.