What's been going on from Mark Orr's perspective

NubieOne

Given the fact the the posted minutes are silent on the question raised in the previous two posts on this thread, can we be sure it was an ICU executive decision that ruled out JOC, or was it the chairman alone that ruled him out? Speculation I know, but speculation on an important point based on circumstantial evidence (i.e no mention of this in the minutes)

john the one

OK, so read this thread on the first day it was posted, and have followed it, but I still don't know what's going on from an outsider looking in
Can someone subjectivity and without bias explain the Mark story?

mikhail

john the one wrote: »

Can someone subjectivity and without bias explain the Mark story?

We don't really have the committee's side of things, but in short (and attempting to remain objective):

• The website developer of ten years was stepping down.
• The handover of the two sites suffered delays when a couple of apparently underavailable people (he additionally claims underqualified) were preferred over his recommended candidate for what he claims are clearly personal reasons.
• At some point earlier this year, the site was abruptly taken out of his hands, resulting in a lengthy interruption of service.
• He was subjected to a dubious disicplinary process, and given the second largest punishment I've ever seen in the sport (the first being a ban applied to the current PRO some years ago) for a variety of things he denies.
• The only concrete thing I'm aware he's been accused of in public so far is setting a very insulting (to the chairman, that is) password; I don't think he contested that.

Is that fair? Likely I've misremembered something.

On the whole, I find his account credible, but any attempt to figure out what actually happened has been frustrated by some members of the executive's confusion of reasonable questions about what happened with personal attacks. For instance, I received a petulent email from one of them accusing me of all sorts of things because I'd dared to call the additional website (a wordpress blog) they'd set up during the outage "the temporary ICU site" on boards.

Sparks

Well, he's also been accused of reading the emails of other ICU committee members and breaking the data protection act. Nobody's seen the actual report making the accusations, we've only seen oblique references to it in the ICU minutes and seen accusations made by ICU committee members on the facebook group and some comments that they made here, but to be blunt, from what we've seen so far those accusations smell a lot more like people not understanding either how servers are administered or what the Data Protection Act actually says, than any actual malfeasance.

rob51

Sparks wrote: »

Well, he's also been accused of reading the emails of other ICU committee members and breaking the data protection act. Nobody's seen the actual report making the accusations, we've only seen oblique references to it in the ICU minutes and seen accusations made by ICU committee members on the facebook group and some comments that they made here, but to be blunt, from what we've seen so far those accusations smell a lot more like people not understanding either how servers are administered or what the Data Protection Act actually says, than any actual malfeasance.

I think one point worth adding based on the available Executive minutes (July) and Mark's description is that the Executive contravened both the ICU Constitution and previous practice by suspending Mark with a committee vote and no independent investigation or appeal. Unless the minutes and Mark both forgot to mention it.

rathkeltair

So the Colm Daly acolytes finally took over and wreaked their terrible vengeance on Mark Orr for taking him up on a few of Daly's less appealing traits over the past couple of decades. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

iriship

Lecale wrote: »

I may have missed a post, but I thought he only refused to create an editor account for Colm Daly. Presumably P&Q had admin level accounts? Nothing about pwds...
Can't say that I would agree with not giving CD an editor account, even if I hated his guts and it was mutual. If you're walking away, it's up to you how fast you go.

We all own a lot to Mark Orr for his work over the years. unpaid work of the highest standards in data base and web development. But most of all I and others own Mark a apology for not seeing and getting involved in what was happening in the ICU.
If you love some thing and put so many years into it you would not go into the night with out a fight. Some times you have to stand up even if the rules say otherwise.

The AGM of the MEMBERS of ICU VOTED to restore Mark Orr As a LIFE long member of the ICU Today. sorry it has taken so long

pawntof4

He was voted back and the new executive has to look into the allegations made against him.


I voted for him to be reinstated because I am of the opinion that he wasn't treated fairly and that he's innocent until its shown otherwise.

rob51

pawntof4 wrote: »

He was voted back and the new executive has to look into the allegations made against him.


I voted for him to be reinstated because I am of the opinion that he wasn't treated fairly and that he's innocent until its shown otherwise.

Listening to the outgoing Vice Chairman today justifying their "process" in Marks case was truly incredible. They accepted that Mark was sent the report asking for comments. He responded and they voted to ban him. What could possibly have been fairer.

phnompenhchess

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who has contributed more to Irish Chess than Mark which is all the more impressive as his role was very much behind the scenes and without recognition. This whole debacle has been most unsavoury and is well left far behind us.