Most Evil Modern day (post WW1) Regimes .. Ever

BuilderPlumber

With all this ISIS/ISIL stuff, we all know that this organisation is truly evil. But is it one of the worst regimes to come about in modern times? What would you consider the top most evil regimes of modern times (1918 to date)?

Along with ISIS/ISIL, I have to say the Khmer Rouge, the Nazis, the Taliban and - when in a certain frame of mind - Ceaucescu's Romania, Milosevic's Yugoslavia and North Korea.

kfallon

Crystal Swing

Sheep Lover

The Iron Rule of Kenny shall go down as one of the bloodiest and brutal in Irelands history.

nullzero

The Hutu lead government that carried out the Rwandan genocide deserve a mention. For the absolute brutality of how it was carried out alone.

Harry Palmr

Er Nazi Germany, then again Communist China, Stalin era Soviet Union and Cambodia/Kampuchea under the Kamer Rouge, Uganda under Idi Amin, South Africa under Apartheid rule all in with a shout.

If measured by scale Stalin or Mao would probably win rather than Nazi Germany.

Arsemageddon

Carlow County Council

Stojkovic

Haughey/Ahern Fianna Fail

Sh1tbag OToole

Definitely North Korea. There are concentration camps in that country similar or worse to Hitler's ones with 100,000+ people inside in them

osarusan

Duvalier father and son in Haiti right up there.


Saparmurat Niyazov in Turkmenistan also deserves a mention.

Totalitarian, repressive, corrupt, generally evil.

But also a touch of class at times, such as naming months after aspects of his own life.

NachoBusiness

AH mods '07 - '09.

The Kardashians.

j80ezgvc3p92xu

Communist Sweeden.

bop1977

Western culture taking offence to anything at all no matter how small.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Louis Walsh and Simon COwell's unrelenting destruction of the music industry.

slangamerican

Dr Evil, even had the cheek to look for a million dollars...pure evil

newmug

I wonder if the Nazi's won in WW2, how would things have panned out?

Germany holds all the ground it conquered Hitler dies eventually Another dictator would take over, probably a little bit less evil Eventually, we would have one currency, we would all learn German, and be answerable to Germany The holocaust would be written into history as a fair warfare tactic Eventually Germany would lose its power (just like the british empire and the USSR) and the different autonomous countries would break away, albeit with strong links to their former oppressor

So basically no change, except the Holocaust and mass genocide would be totally acceptable as a fair act of war. IMO.

JC01

newmug wrote: »

I wonder if the Nazi's won in WW2, how would things have panned out?

Germany holds all the ground it conquered Hitler dies eventually Another dictator would take over, probably a little bit less evil Eventually, we would have one currency, we would all learn German, and be answerable to Germany The holocaust would be written into history as a fair warfare tactic Eventually Germany would lose its power (just like the british empire and the USSR) and the different autonomous countries would break away, albeit with strong links to their former oppressor

So basically no change, except the Holocaust and mass genocide would be totally acceptable as a fair act of war. IMO.

The nazis had there eyes on proper movie-style world domination, The Americas and all so honestly god knows how it would have worked out.

To the OP I'd say Stalins Russia, nazi Germany or North Korea. I'v a sneaking suspicion that North Korea is magnitudes worse than we think. Looking at history and what happened in similar situations and then at how closed off the North is I shudder to think of what actually happens to the human beings unfortunate enough to be born there.

Infini

Dunno about "Best Korea" its probably as bad as Nazi Germany in the sickness meter on par with DarwinAward State in the crazy east.

As it stands Stalin Probably holds the all time High Score for mass murder and genocide in the world. Aint noone gonna break that score unless theyre stupid enough to start World War 3 along with a nuclear exchange.

Cold War Kid

Stojkovic wrote: »

Haughey/Ahern Fianna Fail

Chanel Raspy Passenger wrote: »

Communist Sweeden.

bop1977 wrote: »

Western culture taking offence to anything at all no matter how small.

Most evil regimes since first world war? 'k.

Pleasantly surprised at lack of "America" so far...

Oranage2

Roman Catholic church. Cliché answer now, but they did some truly horrific and evil things.

newmug

Oranage2 wrote: »

Roman Catholic church. Cliché answer now, but they did some truly horrific and evil things.

http://www.robshep.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/jesus_facepalm.jpg

speedboatchase

Someone's bound to say Israel soon and then this entire thread will be derailed and eventually locked.

HalloweenJack

NachoBusiness wrote: »

AH mods '07 - '09.

Join date: Jan 2015

Reported for being a re-reg troll.

valoren

newmug wrote: »

I wonder if the Nazi's won in WW2, how would things have panned out?

• 
  Germany holds all the ground it conquered
  Hitler dies eventually
  Another dictator would take over, probably a little bit less evil
  Eventually, we would have one currency, we would all learn German, and be answerable to Germany
  The holocaust would be written into history as a fair warfare tactic
  Eventually Germany would lose its power (just like the british empire and the USSR) and the different autonomous countries would break away, albeit with strong links to their former oppressor

So basically no change, except the Holocaust and mass genocide would be totally acceptable as a fair act of war. IMO.

He would have been killed along with hundreds of thousands of miliatary and civilians when an atomic bomb was dropped on Berlin sometime in 1945/46

arayess

valoren wrote: »

He would have been killed along with hundreds of thousands of miliatary and civilians when an atomic bomb was dropped on Berlin sometime in 1945/46

bombing japan with a nuke would have been politically different to dropping on on berlin.
Given the power in the states is of european decent that would have never happened , imo of course.


I often wonder if Hitler ever realised that he'd rule the internet one day.
The 4th Reich is his

griffin100

The Japanese in China before and during WW2. Estimates of civilian deaths of over 20 million by some authors. Biological warfare experimentation on civilians. In fact pretty much Japan in WW2 anywhere it occupied.

Hande hoche!

griffin100 wrote: »

The Japanese in China before and during WW2. Estimates of civilian deaths of over 20 million by some authors. Biological warfare experimentation on civilians. In fact pretty much Japan in WW2 anywhere it occupied.

Good point, Imperial Japan's crimes are sometimes neglected. Unit 731 and Nanjing being two that immediately come to mind.

Mesrine65

Pol Pot, Idi Amin

fleet_admiral

The catholic cult. Pure and utter evil

PopePalpatine

arayess wrote: »

bombing japan with a nuke would have been politically different to dropping on on berlin.
Given the power in the states is of european decent that would have never happened , imo of course.


I often wonder if Hitler ever realised that he'd rule the internet one day.
The 4th Reich is his

I remember reading an article (I think it was on the BBC) of how the Americans found it easier to bring themselves to nuke the Japanese than the Nazis, because they weren't white.

osarusan

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I remember reading an article (I think it was on the BBC) of how the Americans found it easier to bring themselves to nuke the Japanese than the Nazis, because they weren't white.

I've read elsewhere that the Americans were somewhat concerned that the bomb would be a dud and fail to go off, and they were less concerned about the Japanese ability to analyse and replicate the failed bomb than the German ability to do so.

electrobanana

The FCA and their totalitarian regime in the 80s.

BoJack Horseman

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I remember reading an article (I think it was on the BBC) of how the Americans found it easier to bring themselves to nuke the Japanese than the Nazis, because they weren't white.

Or, more likely, that the war in europe was all but over..... while Japan was much further from defeat.

My vote goes to Stalin, with honourable mention for The Congo/Zaire regimes.

Cold War Kid

Oranage2 wrote: »

Roman Catholic church. Cliché answer now, but they did some truly horrific and evil things.

It's utterly dishonest to say they were the most evil, considering the other regimes that were in power. Plus, many within the Catholic Church did very good things.

davmol

speedboatchase wrote: »

Someone's bound to say Israel soon and then this entire thread will be derailed and eventually locked.

Without turning it into an Israel /Palestinian debate,i would have to say Israel/IDF/Netanyahu are definitely one of the most evil modern day regimes.

5rtytry56

• El Salvadore regime - 1980's.
• Chile - under General Pinochet utter little príck

BuilderPlumber

A lot of interesting ones brought up here ....

When one looks at evil in a regime, it can manifest itself in different ways. For example: most stifling to live under (the warped Islam of Taliban or ISIS or the warped socialism of Pol Pot), the most invasive of other countries (Bush, Netanyahu), the most racist (Nazis, ISIS, Apartheid South Africa), the biggest killers (Stalin, Mao), or the ones who left their countries totally poor/isolated (North Korea especially under the last 2 Kims, Albania under Enver Hoxha).

Other, mostly military, regimes seemed to be ok for some and not for others (esp. suspected communists). Interestingly enough, the Catholic church was up to all kinds of brutalities at a government level in the older eras. While some of their clergy were involved in abuse and it was covered up in recent times, there was no brutal dictatorship akin to the Spanish Inquisition in place in recent times though.

As regards Irish governments and county councils, they certainly are no saints and they act in their own interests. But they hardly have anything on Pol Pot or Kim Jong Un.

Bad music managers like certain reality TV people who also manage boybands have also been mentioned and there is no doubt that these are dictators in their own way. The media do promote certain people and not others. This clearly is kind of like the personality cults of dictators in its own way.

Crystal Swing are not the worst and are hardly dictators! Unless you mean that this is what happened under the new ISIS rulers in Syria, Iraq and Libya when they hung members of the Gadafi, Saddam and Assad governments on crystal chandeliers that is! Otherwise, I would go for the overhype cult of boyfolk music (Mike Denver, etc.) as being another media created dictatorship.

I also would need to add Eritrea to the list too. They are a very brutal regime too. I included the parts of Somalia, Nigeria, and other areas of Africa controlled by the likes of Boko Haram and al Shabaab under the general ISIS/ISIL umbrella. One needs to add Kony and his Lords Resistance Army too. Perhaps, this is the closest to a Catholic terror group we have although they have no support from any Catholic officials whatsoever.

Stojkovic

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I remember reading an article (I think it was on the BBC) of how the Americans found it easier to bring themselves to nuke the Japanese than the Nazis, because they weren't white.

Nothing to do with the 40m Americans of German descent ?

Stojkovic

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I remember reading an article (I think it was on the BBC) of how the Americans found it easier to bring themselves to nuke the Japanese than the Nazis, because they weren't white.

Nothing to do with the 40m Americans of German descent ?

newmug

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I remember reading an article (I think it was on the BBC) of how the Americans found it easier to bring themselves to nuke the Japanese than the Nazis, because they weren't white.

Germany surrendered on 8th May 1945. The first atomic bomb wasnt dropped until 6th August 1945, nearly 3 months after Germany were out.

FloatingVoter

newmug wrote: »

Germany surrendered on 8th May 1945. The first atomic bomb wasnt dropped until 6th August 1945, nearly 3 months after Germany were out.

..and final testing was conducted on 16th July 45. I'd believe that about earlier worries concerning German scientific analysis of a potential dud - the Atom bomb scientists considered themselves in a race against Heisenberg and co. on the Nazi side.

Nazis were the most nihilistic and expansionist of all the regimes. Stalin wins on bodycount and his influence over acolytes like Mao and North Korea.

BuilderPlumber

FloatingVoter wrote: »

..and final testing was conducted on 16th July 45. I'd believe that about earlier worries concerning German scientific analysis of a potential dud - the Atom bomb scientists considered themselves in a race against Heisenberg and co. on the Nazi side.

Nazis were the most nihilistic and expansionist of all the regimes. Stalin wins on bodycount and his influence over acolytes like Mao and North Korea.

North Korea in many ways would be the worst of all. The regime is so paranoid it kills some of its members. There are concentration camps so bad prisoners are forced to work impossible amounts and are not fed unless they complete it. They often get injured and starve to death. Prison guards are often violent and drunk and enjoy watching prisoners die.

Now, reality check! North Korea IS NOT a warzone. Whatever excuses the Middle East's ISIS, al Qaeda, Taliban, etc. have is not here. Or the Nazis or the Khmer Rouge or Stalin or Mao. Yeah, all of these also engaged in brutal behaviour but there was a war going on.

North Korea has not been involved in a war since 1953!!!!!! Yet, its regime remains in a wartime footing, commits wartime-style attrocities, and has not moderated at all. Other previously brutal regimes that emerged during war moderated over the years. But North Korea is the world's worst non-wartime country and this makes it much worse as one cannot blame the chaos of war and out of control Mad Max style marauders for the worst of the excesses. The excesses of this place are controlled and Kim and his cronies are 100% guilty here.

Nodin

Indonesia under Suharto, not that they're all smiles and chuckles these days.

(West) Pakistan in the early 1970's.

Both responsible for two massive but not well known genocides in the 20th century.

RayCon

Anybody involved in the creation of The Big Bang Theory (the TV show ,..... not the actual science thingy)

Nodin

RayCon wrote: »

Anybody involved in the creation of The Big Bang Theory (the TV show ,..... not the actual science thingy)

I watched 20 minutes of the first episode and thought "this is shite" and turned it off. Ye'd think at my age I'd have remembered that quality and success are not a nessecary pairing.

Mother Brain

America hands down.

(Sorry cold war kid!)

Richard Hillman

The likes of ISIS and Boko Haram scare the bejaysis out of me. I miss when Al Qaeda were the bogeyman.

Cold War Kid

Mother Brain wrote: »

America hands down.

(Sorry cold war kid!)

But, while I understand criticism of US foreign policy/its meddling in the internal affairs of other countries, I just can't see how it is the most evil regime since WWI when you look at what you're comparing it to. Obviously America any time would be a preferable place to live by miles too.

Mother Brain

Cold War Kid wrote: »

But, while I understand criticism of US foreign policy/its meddling in the internal affairs of other countries, I just can't see how it is the most evil regime since WWI when you look at what you're comparing it to. Obviously America any time would be a preferable place to live by miles too.

That's 100% true alright (though they still jail their population at an unprecedented rate), but my argument would be that america is directly responsible for a large portion of the other 'worst regimes' that people have mentioned here for example.

If any single one of those regimes is a contender for 'the worst' then shouldn't the country who made all of them happen bear more responsibility than the regime itself? Especially when in many cases these have been democratically elected governments they have overthrown.

Also, other stuff like being the only one to have ever used WMD's on a civilian population. Mass torture and surveillance programs. Many many unilateral (and completely illegal) military actions against sovereign nations. Testing biological weapons on their own populations, and possible deployments against foreign governments in cuba and korea.

It all adds up in my mind.

RDM_83 again

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Interestingly enough, the Catholic church was up to all kinds of brutalities at a government level in the older eras. While some of their clergy were involved in abuse and it was covered up in recent times, there was no brutal dictatorship akin to the Spanish Inquisition in place in recent times though.

The Spanish Inquisition is interesting (no monty python quotes :mad: ), was it as bad as many think or thought is it more due to the "Black Legend".
Like according to research an inquisition ended in execution only 1-3% of the time, now that obviously bad since it was meant to be enforcing Christian beliefs (the Whole thou Shall't not kill thing and all that forgiving jazz) but compared to the nastiness of life in general at the time

Streetwalker

Has to be the USA when you look at the misery and destruction they have brought down on people worldwide.