Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Fr Tod Umptious

blinding wrote: »

A bit unfortunate there alright;) but the theory may still have some merit .

How did they manage to lose the confidence of the senior panel though !

Its a bit of a mystery but if Mayo are not successful this year then maybe more will come out.

Well that's the big question.

How does a management get kicked out after bringing the team to a SF replay Agathe best team in the country in their first season.

Thus current squad can ill afford the mentality that I mentioned earlier after what went on last September.

blinding

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Well that's the big question.

How does a management get kicked out after bringing the team to a SF replay Agathe best team in the country in their first season.

Thus current squad can ill afford the mentality that I mentioned earlier after what went on last September.

It will come out eventually and I hope not too soon because that will mean the team has been unsuccessful and pretty much everyone (connected with Mayo) does not want that.

Audioslaven

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Well that's the big question.

How does a management get kicked out after bringing the team to a SF replay Agathe best team in the country in their first season.

Thus current squad can ill afford the mentality that I mentioned earlier after what went on last September.

Well i hope to hell it does not transcend onto the current management as I heard some of the players are not so impressed with Rochford. We don't need that crap again

If they get dumped down into Division 2, then the heat is on them. Yesterdays final is adding additional pressure as the castlebar players are to come in and after they got their asses whipped, a big reality check is facing the Mayo players.

They must beat Roscommon on Sunday week to stop this rot imo.

washman3

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Well that's the big question.

How does a management get kicked out after bringing the team to a SF replay Agathe best team in the country in their first season.

Because a very small number of players with very big egos refused to take responsibility and shoulder the blame for their own inadequate displays when games were in the melting pot. And other less vocal, young and less media friendly players felt compelled to support them. Simple as.!!

Supernintento Chalmers

washman3 wrote: »

Because a very small number of players with very big egos refused to take responsibility and shoulder the blame for their own inadequate displays when games were in the melting pot. And other less vocal, young and less media friendly players felt compelled to support them. Simple as.!!

Exactly.
They're now getting exactly what they deserve.
The way those two men were treated was abominable.

Fr Tod Umptious

washman3 wrote: »

Because a very small number of players with very big egos refused to take responsibility and shoulder the blame for their own inadequate displays when games were in the melting pot. And other less vocal, young and less media friendly players felt compelled to support them. Simple as.!!

Unfortunately that could be the case.

Its the type of pettiness that we all thought was gone, but if what the other poster said about some players not being happy with Rochford is also true then we may as well forget about the progress that we thought was made since Horan took charge.

Fr Tod Umptious

On a positive note.
U21s beat Leitrim 4-12 to 0-15 today to setup a final meeting with Roscommon in two weeks time, in Hyde Park I think.

seligehgit

Back from my self imposed exile after gut wrenching disappointment of Croke Park.I thought I'd plunged the depths of despair in Croke Park in 2004 and 2006.....It really is a lonely place to be in Croke Park,looks of pity from opposing fans and on occasion a touch of mockery.A truly black day as another ball went wide.

Many valid points made in the interim,in the past I have possibly excused performances on the basis of our underdog status but I am now inclined to agree there is a mental fragility in the Mayo psyche when it comes to finals and even some semi finals.We have on numerous occasions underperformed and failed to close out games from winning positions.

On the basis of their performances this year there was every validity to the expectation that the Mitchels could beat Ballyboden St. Enda's.Yet they failed to turn up.The Dublin champions put in a very good performance but I do not believe they were as good a team as the 2014 St. Vincents team.Portlaoise and Clonmel Commercials could very easily have put them to the sword,it's the winning mentality,never say die that comes with the ongoing success with Dublin teams.

On the basis of their final performance several players have played their way out of places on the Mayo team and squad.Niall Lydon and Patrick Durkan were the sole players to take the fight to Ballyboden.

It's a very fine line constructively criticising amateur players who are possibly your neighbours/fellow county men and are very decent lads toiling thanklessly for no meaningful return and unfair contributions to a debate on how best we can get that extra percent to get us over the line.At this stage imo it's a mental block,an underemphasis on footpassing and our frailties in terms of forwards.

I'd be very disappointed to hear that some of the players are having issues with Stephen Rochford given what came to pass with the previous management.

Anyway great win for the under 21s yesterday,big test against Roscommon up next.Mixed feelings about next Sunday,after the Kerry and club final games I am half dreading the trip to the Hyde...It has been a long time since I was ill at ease hitting the road for a Mayo game,pretty sad.

naughto

We desperately need a win next Sunday not just to stay up but to stop the rot in the country.
Moral is at an all time low and a loss Sunday week with a bad run in the championship will set us back a long way.
Iam still thinking we will win Connaught this yr prob get releged along the way but we can put up with that,I don't see the rossie being able to keep the pace.
They are not used to it

Audioslaven

seligehgit wrote: »

I'd be very disappointed to hear that some of the players are having issues with Stephen Rochford given what came to pass with the previous management.

I was talking to a friend that said this to me. It was news to me but I hope to hell it is not true. I did say to him that I don't believe it but he stated that's what he heard. It could be BS but who knows. A certain player was mentioned.

TCDStudent1

Audioslaven wrote: »

I was talking to a friend that said this to me. It was news to me but I hope to hell it is not true. I did say to him that I don't believe it but he stated that's what he heard. It could be BS but who knows. A certain player was mentioned.

I have heard the opposite - that the players are extremely impressed with the level of detail by Rochford and his team. No idea how reliable of valid that is though!

RD10

Now that next sunday is coming into view are people confident that we can beat roscommon?
After the performance of the kerry match we need a huge turnaround in attitude.
Huge game for us and a big performance needed from our lads. going on the recent form of both teams a lot of people are going to be tipping roscommon.
I think its 8 of the castlebar mitchells lads back in this week. Hopefully they'll be pushing the lads on a little harder in training.

blinding

RD10 wrote: »

Now that next sunday is coming into view are people confident that we can beat roscommon?
After the performance of the kerry match we need a huge turnaround in attitude.
Huge game for us and a big performance needed from our lads. going on the recent form of both teams a lot of people are going to be tipping roscommon.
I think its 8 of the castlebar mitchells lads back in this week. Hopefully they'll be pushing the lads on a little harder in training.

Its the first crunch game of the Rockford era !

It will be interesting to see how it goes . Its time to walk the walk.

davegrohl48

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I have heard the opposite - that the players are extremely impressed with the level of detail by Rochford and his team. No idea how reliable of valid that is though!

For sure he is detailed. Gary Sice spoke of getting improvement tips on which hand he should bounce the ball with in different situations. Thats a decent level of digging into detail.

seligehgit

TBH all reports I've have ever heard regarding the level of detail and knowledge/expertise that Stephen Rochford possesses makes any reports of any camp unrest at such an early stage very surprising.

Fr Tod Umptious

I'm beginning to get a bit philosophical about relegation.

I argued on the Kerry thread a few years back when they were facing it that it's not the disaster that its made out to be, if you learn something in the process.
It may be better to continue to experiment at this stage and risk relegation.

Div 2 is a huge climb down from Div 1, Mayo would walk it next year just like Tyrone are now, and next year Mayo will need more player rotation, with the likes of Andy SOS, Higgins, Barry Moran, Cuniffe etc all a year older.
So you could bring on lots of younger players and still likely finish top 2.

The big question is are they learning anything form the current experiments.

Stoner

Who's the 8 lads back from Castlebar.
I'd say they translate to at best 3 or 4 potential starters no ?

I think division 2 would be a bad place to be BTW, I argued as much with the Donegal lads when they went down.
I think it's great when you are on the up, but difficult when you are on the the way down.
I don't think mayo will go down anyway. This might be the kick in the arse they need, if they avoid the drop it could be very positive.

I'd wonder about the Castlebar lads coming into the scene now, it's different coming in off the back of a win, if they are still in the dumps you'd have to be careful about bringing them in.

manofwisdom

No disrespect to the Castlebar players but they don't have 8 lads of the required standard to hold their own at the high level county football Mayo play. I'm surprised Rochford has brought that many Castlebar players in.

In regards to relegation the last two established teams to get relegated were Tyrone last year and Donegal 2013.

Tyrone didn't win Ulster but were able to recover with a favorable draw to reach in All Ireland semi final. Donegal in 2013 did worse as they failed to win Ulster final losing to Monaghan Div 3 at the time and then were well beaten in All Ireland quarter final by Mayo.

If Mayo are to be relegated and don't win a provincial title it would be harder to see Mayo recovering from those double blows but for what its worth i think Mayo will stay up on probably scoring difference and that alone would stop any rot setting in.

TCDStudent1

Wow, 8 players from 1 club! That's impressive for castlebar. I've heard they are available for Sunday. Really think they should be given a couple of weeks off before going into Mayo. Then again, there are so few games left before championship. Galway were in a similar position last year and you could argue that there was a failure to integrate some corofin players into the panel after their all Ireland

Fr Tod Umptious

manofwisdom wrote: »

No disrespect to the Castlebar players but they don't have 8 lads of the required standard to hold their own at the high level county football Mayo play. I'm surprised Rochford has brought that many Castlebar players in.

In regards to relegation the last two established teams to get relegated were Tyrone last year and Donegal 2013.

Tyrone didn't win Ulster but were able to recover with a favorable draw to reach in All Ireland semi final. Donegal in 2013 did worse as they failed to win Ulster final losing to Monaghan Div 3 at the time and then were well beaten in All Ireland quarter final by Mayo.

If Mayo are to be relegated and don't win a provincial title it would be harder to see Mayo recovering from those double blows but for what its worth i think Mayo will stay up on probably scoring difference and that alone would stop any rot setting in.

The Castlebar guys return may be a mixed bag, no need for Cuniffe or Moran to get time but I'd like to see the likes of Durkan and Kirby involved.
Who are the others of the 8 ?

On the relegation thing Mayos scoring difference is bad, -16, same as Cork, I think Monaghan's is -4, but Mayo have and Cork have yet to play Down.
In a tie between the three would come down to scoring, a tie between 2 comes down to head to head.

Ironically Mayo could still survive even if they lose to Roscommon.
If they beat Down, and Monaghan lose to both Kerry and Donegal, Mayo stay up on head to head.

RD10

manofwisdom wrote: »

No disrespect to the Castlebar players but they don't have 8 lads of the required standard to hold their own at the high level county football Mayo play. I'm surprised Rochford has brought that many Castlebar players in.

In regards to relegation the last two established teams to get relegated were Tyrone last year and Donegal 2013.

Tyrone didn't win Ulster but were able to recover with a favorable draw to reach in All Ireland semi final. Donegal in 2013 did worse as they failed to win Ulster final losing to Monaghan Div 3 at the time and then were well beaten in All Ireland quarter final by Mayo.

If Mayo are to be relegated and don't win a provincial title it would be harder to see Mayo recovering from those double blows but for what its worth i think Mayo will stay up on probably scoring difference and that alone would stop any rot setting in.

Im not sure Danny kirby is county standard. I Watched him last year in the league for mayo and he dosnt really bring anything to the mayo set up. I havnt seen enough of him though so couldnt really say.
Nor darren coen, i'm hearing reports he's been brought back in to the mayo set up? Seen him play a few matches with hollymount carramore. he misses an awful lot of scores in games and isnt too fond of getting stuck in once the ball is with the opposition. His cousin stephen is an awful hard grafter in comparison. I know they play different roles but darren seriously needs to step it up of he's to come in to the mayo set up.
im surprised there's not more forwards coming through from the top teams such as ballintubber, crossmolina etc
hopefully this weekend there's a big performance in us. Because we sure need it. Cant be relying on cillian for scores when he's back. God forbid he got injured during championship..who's going to step up to the plate then if we cant manage getting scores without him now.

Green_Tae

Dublin teams tend to come racing out of the blocks when they're playing in Croke Park but the manner in which Castlebar conceded those two early goals perhaps says something more about Mayo football, that it is lacking a defensive culture - now, that doesn't mean a lack of good backs, I am instead talking about organisation and focus, teamwork essentially.

Mitchells were not as good this year as they were previously but there are still at least four county players on that team. Moran has been excellent all year and Kirby was superb against Crossmaglen.

I think Mayo are starting to develop nicely. Division 2 will do you little good. Teams in that tier generally don't challenge for All-Ireland honours. Hope Mayo stay up.

Mexcanelo

Mayo are really in trouble this year. They look set for league relegation and due to the rise of Roscommon, Their Connacht title is under serious threat.

naughto

Mexcanelo wrote: »

Mayo are really in trouble this year. They look set for league relegation and due to the rise of Roscommon, Their Connacht title is under serious threat.

Welcome to boards thanks for taking the time to post the above.

yop

Mexcanelo wrote: »

Mayo are really in trouble this year. They look set for league relegation and due to the rise of Roscommon, Their Connacht title is under serious threat.

Post of the year

Welcome to boards

Mexcanelo

naughto wrote: »

Welcome to boards thanks for taking the time to post the above.

yop wrote: »

Post of the year

Welcome to boards

I don't see what's wrong with the post. Mayo have 1 win out of 5 in the league, with their next game against a team that has gone to Kerry, Cork and Donegal and come back with 3 wins. 3 teams that have beaten Mayo in this campaign.

If Mayo lose on Sunday, They will be relegated, unless Monaghan lose both of their remaining home games

naughto

It feels like your cheating on us posting in here while licking the rossie holes

Its great to see Roscommon on this run of form. Hopefully they can keep it going into the games against Mayo and Dublin at home.

I think they could take the Connacht title this season, and if they can replicate their performances of the League into the Championship, Who knows what they can achieve

Mexcanelo

naughto wrote: »

It feels like your cheating on us posting in here while licking the rossie holes

Its great to see Roscommon on this run of form. Hopefully they can keep it going into the games against Mayo and Dublin at home.

I think they could take the Connacht title this season, and if they can replicate their performances of the League into the Championship, Who knows what they can achieve

I think its very arrogant of you as a Mayo fan to suggest that Roscommon are no threat to Mayo, considering the recent form of both teams.

No arse licking at all, I'm simply making an observation base on the facts

yop

Mexcanelo wrote: »

I think its very arrogant of you as a Mayo fan to suggest that Roscommon are no threat to Mayo, considering the recent form of both teams.

No arse licking at all, I'm simply making an observation base on the facts

Okay, so Cork topped the table last year in the league, Kerry finished just above relegation. How did the Munster and AI series end up for both of them?

Who said they were no threat......

Anyway, welcome to the Mayo forum, we love facts here

Mexcanelo

yop wrote: »

Okay, so Cork topped the table last year in the league, Kerry finished just above relegation. How did the Munster and AI series end up for both of them?

Who said they were no threat......

Anyway, welcome to the Mayo forum, we love facts here

Your sarcastic response to my first post suggests to me that you laughed at the mere suggestion that Roscommon could beat Mayo in League or Championship, that they were no threat.

It's true, strong league form often doesn't translate to Championship success. But you have to give them credit for their results and have the humility to respect them as challengers to the Connacht Championship.

We'll see what happens on Sunday. Looking forward to a great game.