Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Robeman

PressRun wrote: »

Yes, this thread is communist Russia.

Well I do get the impression that you want me exiled to Siberia to one of the gulags. Or given that this is Mayo to deepest Erris.

koochie

naughto wrote: »

Don't no who u are robeman put ffs wiill give it a rest we are all heartbroken from the defeat.
I've heard since Clark had a small bone broke in his hand from the first game don't no if it's true.

We all may be heartbroken, but if we don't address the crux of the problem we will be in the same position again next year.
An ex player from Armagh was able to inform me in the early of the hours this morning that certain players within the Mayo squad are calling the shots. I'm not going to pretend that this was news to me.

The whole country was behind us yesterday, we have the goodwill wishes of the neutrals.

However, last year these players (or a certain sect of them) turned on their management and were never made accountable. This to me was disgusting.

If it is a case that these same players are overstepping the mark and calling the shots this year, its about time somebody calls a halt.
Players play, managers manage. When lines are crossed disaster is inevitable.

Respect, integrity, and focus are key to healthy relationships within a team squad.
Robeman may be quite accurate in his summation of what is going on. And if he is my heart goes out to Clarke. Why is everyone feeling sorry for Robbie? It was Clark that was robbed of his All-Ireland glory and a probable All-Star Award.

Godge

The Talking Bread wrote: »

It comes down to 70 minutes at the end of the day. Its the team on the day and I firmly believe Mayo gan gather themselves and compete next year. Dublin clearly have an edge over them, both on factual terms and trophy terms. But one match is all it takes (maybe 2!) to beat them and I believe they can. They are not unbeatable. Both Kerry, Mayo showed that the last month. They are w/o doubt favourites again next year of course.

Neither Mayo nor Kerry ever really put Dublin under the cosh, yes they competed, but they never built up a lead that made Dublin afraid. Next year Dublin have more to fear from Tyrone and possibly Tipperary who showed no fear.

Kerry, Donegal, Mayo, they are all obsessed with stopping Dublin rather than figuring out how to win.

Robeman

gigantic09 wrote: »

I think the problem is that everything you are posting is pure negative,so it's hard for anyone to take you seriously.It's like you spent the last month composing this dossier of negatively.Luckily for ya Cillian missed that free yesterday or you may have never got to publish it,well done on that.

The point is he did miss it and we lost there are no positives. I have to admit I was happy losing in 1989. The result did not matter we had reached a final I was happy with that. 9 finals later losing is not an option.

The fate of game should not have come down to COC's kick we should have been comfortably ahead.

The seeds of this disaster were sown a year ago not a month ago. I did not wait until this game was over before I commented 5 weeks ago when I said Mayo would lose and why. I was ridiculed then and the same now.

I will be gone shortly so you can all get back to normal talking about the small stuff while other counties win the All Ireland.

I wish I could say not my circus not my monkeys but I can't I am a purebred Mayo man, a culchie and a bogger. I want Mayo to win and if I have to ruffle feathers in a small way to help make it happen then so be it.

PressRun

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I was stunned to hear there was a homecoming. Why should the players have to endure that? I saw a video if it on the Connacht Telegraph facebook page and it was very clear that they didnt want to be there. They looked extremely uncomfortable standing on the stage.

I dont know much about Mayo's under 21s but I guess the question is: Are the players coming through as good as some of the older players going out? For example, is Conor Loftus as good as Andy Moran? From what I have seen of these younger players, I am not convinced they are better.

I also think that today was a huge victory for Dublin that could completely re-energise them for next year. If you are Cormac Costello today, you would be thinking "I cant wait for next year - I am going to nail a place on that team and be a key player in a 3 in a row team". They now have a wonderful opportunity to completely cement their status as one of the great teams by doing a 3 in a row.

On the other hand, if you are a Mayo player, you will probably dread the thought of going back training next year and starting the whole process again. The Mayo panel got absolutely everything they wanted this year - the management team, the clubs matches postponed and I have heard of other small things they requested. But they got everything! A Mayo player could be thinking tonight "We gave it everything. There is nothing else we could have done. If we didnt win it this year after the way we prepared, then we wont win it any year". And that has to be a huge huge worry for Mayo.

And what do you expect them to do? Just throw in the towel and decide they're not bothered anymore? That's obviously not going to happen and it'll be hard to pick themselves up from it, but they've done it before and they're still a relatively young team. They'll be taking it hard now and for a while after this, but they have something to build on for next year.

There are a few good players coming through from the U21s who need to get game time to prove themselves. Is Conor Loftus as good as Andy Moran? Maybe he is. The only way to find out is to give him and others a chance.

Robeman

Barlett wrote: »

Of course the defeat was of our own making, I don't disagree but as I said where is the evidence of your theory...why hasn't anyone walked away from the camp if it is such a mess? Indeed how did they make an AI final at all??

Nobody has walked because they all want to win an AI. The committment is not in question. Some though in my opinion only survived on this panel because of the change in management.

The skill levels of players also not in doubt. If we had dropped this panel into Kerry or Tyrone set up they would have won AI or two. The Mayo set up is what is preventing the breakthrough.

Robeman

koochie wrote: »

We all may be heartbroken, but if we don't address the crux of the problem we will be in the same position again next year.
An ex player from Armagh was able to inform me in the early of the hours this morning that certain players within the Mayo squad are calling the shots. I'm not going to pretend that this was news to me.

The whole country was behind us yesterday, we have the goodwill wishes of the neutrals.

However, last year these players (or a certain sect of them) turned on their management and were never made accountable. This to me was disgusting.

If it is a case that these same players are overstepping the mark and calling the shots this year, its about time somebody calls a halt.
Players play, managers manage. When lines are crossed disaster is inevitable.

Respect, integrity, and focus are key to healthy relationships within a team squad.
Robeman may be quite accurate in his summation of what is going on. And if he is my heart goes out to Clarke. Why is everyone feeling sorry for Robbie? It was Clark that was robbed of his All-Ireland glory and a probable All-Star Award.

Praise be to god I am no longer alone in the wilderness.

koochie

Robeman wrote: »

Nobody has walked because they all want to win an AI. The committment is not in question. Some though in my opinion only survived on this panel because of the change in management.

The skill levels of players also not in doubt. If we had dropped this panel into Kerry or Tyrone set up they would have won AI or two. The Mayo set up is what is preventing the breakthrough.

Totally agree with Robeman, we
have too many defeats behind us to bury our Heads in the sand. If we continue to blindly support the superegos on this team we will need to bring Kleenex to more homecomings.

Robeman

koochie wrote: »

Totally agree with Robeman, we have to ma

Jesus don't tell me that they have silenced you before you got a chance to support me futher. This conspiracy is bigger than I thought. How did they find you so quickly and cut you off mid sentence The CIA must be involved as well

koochie

fee wrote: »

Jesus don't tell me that they have silenced you before you got a chance to support me futher. This conspiracy is bigger than I thought. How did they find you so quickly and cut you off mid sentence The CIA must be involved as well

Haha, no I just have a dodgy phone 😄. I posted a few times last year but learned fairly quickly that it is unpopular to expect certain standards of conduct from those who have the honour of wearing our county jersey.

Robeman

koochie wrote: »

Haha, no I just have a dodgy phone 😄. I posted a few times last year but learned fairly quickly that it is unpopular to expect certain standards of conduct from those who have the honour of wearing our county jersey.

I am going to bed happy. I now have one supporter.

koochie

Robeman wrote: »

I am going to bed happy. I now have one supporter.

Where were you last year when I needed you?

Barlett

Robeman wrote: »

They are professionals doing a job. Many people work in companies where they may not agree with what is going on but get on with it nonetheless if it does not affect them personally.

Your point begs the question were they part of the RH decision. If they were as part of management team and they admitted it in an interview for another backroom team it would not be a positive mark.

It is a very valid point though

Ok and this goes for you too Koochie, why would Stephen Rochford, an up and coming manager stay in the job when he has no say in the team? I mean it's him that's being criticised tonight by public and press so surely he'll walk away if the players are in control rather than risk damaging his reputation?

And I'm not trying to take the piss lads, but when you're arguing something that nobody else believes its effectively a conspiracy theory. And that's my issue, if there is an issue someone would leave, speak out etc And that's what I'm asking, why in a team of 50-55 people has nobody done or said anything? Surely now people will leave if what you say is true then?

Fr Tod Umptious

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I was stunned to hear there was a homecoming. Why should the players have to endure that? I saw a video if it on the Connacht Telegraph facebook page and it was very clear that they didnt want to be there. They looked extremely uncomfortable standing on the stage.

I dont know much about Mayo's under 21s but I guess the question is: Are the players coming through as good as some of the older players going out? For example, is Conor Loftus as good as Andy Moran? From what I have seen of these younger players, I am not convinced they are better.

I also think that today was a huge victory for Dublin that could completely re-energise them for next year. If you are Cormac Costello today, you would be thinking "I cant wait for next year - I am going to nail a place on that team and be a key player in a 3 in a row team". They now have a wonderful opportunity to completely cement their status as one of the great teams by doing a 3 in a row.

On the other hand, if you are a Mayo player, you will probably dread the thought of going back training next year and starting the whole process again. The Mayo panel got absolutely everything they wanted this year - the management team, the clubs matches postponed and I have heard of other small things they requested. But they got everything! A Mayo player could be thinking tonight "We gave it everything. There is nothing else we could have done. If we didnt win it this year after the way we prepared, then we wont win it any year". And that has to be a huge huge worry for Mayo.

Arragh now you were hardly stunned.
Most teams have homecomings after a loss, Newsflash: They even do them in Kerry.

They are mainly for the kids, these guys are heroes to kids and any chance to see them in person is a big deal for the kids

Yes it may be uncomfortable for some players but they have all winter to access things, no need to run and hide on the first day.

This crop of players have given us Mayo folk many a exciting day out, no harm in people showing their continued support at a homecoming event.

Flange/Flanders

Robeman, you obviously know someone in the camp who's getting screwed over. Who doesn't like what they're seeing? Who isn't agreeing with the egos? And this person is still staying with the team. If you're right, then this person is a sheep and a coward. I wouldn't tolerate this if it was happening on my junior b team!

Panrich

Flange/Flanders wrote: »

Robeman, you obviously know someone in the camp who's getting screwed over. Who doesn't like what they're seeing? Who isn't agreeing with the egos? And this person is still staying with the team. If you're right, then this person is a sheep and a coward. I wouldn't tolerate this if it was happening on my junior b team!

I remember thinking it was odd last year that Lee Keegan came out in support of Holmes/Connelly when the heave was under way.
If the management team were so bad as to scupper any chance of success then no player should have supported them and it certainly gave a hint of a disjointed dressing room.

Living out of the county I no longer have my finger on the pulse so I have no basis to believe/disbelieve any rumours of ongoing issues.

I feel sorry for both keepers in this debacle. Surely that performance will put Rob Hennelly in a very bad place to come back from. His big game reputation is now in tatters and Clarke has effectively been told he's not trusted either.

Loafing Oaf

Panrich wrote: »

Clarke has effectively been told he's not trusted either.

It's not like Alex Ferguson dropping Jim Leighton for the cup final though is it, I mean there has been a churn of Mayo goalies for the last few years...

Panrich

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

It's not like Alex Ferguson dropping Jim Leighton for the cup final though is it, I mean there has been a churn of Mayo goalies for the last few years...

You're right it's not. Leighton was at that stage a hopeless case, and it was a charitable act to put him out of his misery.

Clarke had been dependable on temperament and had come into the team after Hennelly was dropped for making a howler against Galway. His last outing in Croke park was a horror show against the same opposition as Saturday. So it could be argued that it was like reinstating Leighton.

If Clarke decides to walk away and age is coming against him, where are we now?

MaroonAndGreen

Thank god match was on a Saturday so we had Sunday to spend alone and not have to face work/life commitments, not faring too great today. My heart is in Mayo and my mind is still in Croke Park.

Love Mayo

MaroonAndGreen

By the way have any of ye heard the MidWest commentary at the closing minutes of the game? It's absolutely heart breaking

Westernyelp

Godge wrote:

Neither Mayo nor Kerry ever really put Dublin under the cosh, yes they competed, but they never built up a lead that made Dublin afraid. Next year Dublin have more to fear from Tyrone and possibly Tipperary who showed no fear.

Godge wrote:

Kerry, Donegal, Mayo, they are all obsessed with stopping Dublin rather than figuring out how to win.

Nonsense post

MaroonAndGreen

I haven't been able to bring myself to so much as even watch the highlights of the game again, so I feel unable to offer any analysis of what I believe went wrong, I'd always like to have re-watched the game again and confirm my feelings. But one thing I will say is this, Mayo were seriously underestimated going into this final and Dublin were overestimated - there is nothing between those two teams.

You just hope and pray that the lads have the heart to keep going another year or two because they are right there, so close. And for the record I wouldn't say a bad word against them if they all retired in the morning. They've given so much to the cause. At the end of the day, these players are chasing our dream for us because we aren't good enough to do it for ourselves, we ought to be very grateful, I know I am anyway. I can't bear to hear any personal criticism of management or players to be honest, it absolutely stinks in my opinion. Keep the faith and be proud of our team.

seligehgit

Panrich wrote: »

You're right it's not. Leighton was at that stage a hopeless case, and it was a charitable act to put him out of his misery.

Clarke had been dependable on temperament and had come into the team after Hennelly was dropped for making a howler against Galway. His last outing in Croke park was a horror show against the same opposition as Saturday. So it could be argued that it was like reinstating Leighton.

If Clarke decides to walk away and age is coming against him, where are we now?

Not too sure if age is against David Clarke as yet.He is 32 years of age which is not as big an issue in his position.Cluxton is 36 years of age I believe.

My heart goes out to him as he didn't deserve to be dropped.I really hope he doesn't walk away but I could understand it if he does.

Matthew Flanagan is the obvious candidate to be our next senior goalkeeper,I rate him very highly.Excellent temperament,good kickout, solid under the high ball and a good shot stopper.

Hope Liam Irwin is drafted in for the FBD league

seligehgit

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

I haven't been able to bring myself to so much as even watch the highlights of the game again, so I feel unable to offer any analysis of what I believe went wrong, I'd always like to have re-watched the game again and confirm my feelings. But one thing I will say is this, Mayo were seriously underestimated going into this final and Dublin were overestimated - there is nothing between those two teams.

You just hope and pray that the lads have the heart to keep going another year or two because they are right there, so close. And for the record I wouldn't say a bad word against them if they all retired in the morning. They've given so much to the cause. At the end of the day, these players are chasing our dream for us because we aren't good enough to do it for ourselves, we ought to be very grateful, I know I am anyway. I can't bear to hear any personal criticism of management or players to be honest, it absolutely stinks in my opinion. Keep the faith and be proud of our team.

Great post.I have not been able to watch the match back or the Saturday Game.Ditto any of the post match podcasts.At some stage over the darkness of the winter I might have the heart to watch them back.

Peist2007

Flange/Flanders wrote: »

Robeman, you obviously know someone in the camp who's getting screwed over. Who doesn't like what they're seeing? Who isn't agreeing with the egos? And this person is still staying with the team. If you're right, then this person is a sheep and a coward. I wouldn't tolerate this if it was happening on my junior b team!

Ballinrobe is not too far from Hollymount. I'm sure what Robeman is saying would be the general talk around Hollymount. Whether it is true or not is another question.

Peist2007

Robeman wrote: »

Praise be to god I am no longer alone in the wilderness.

You're such a hero. I hope RTE make a programmne about you when Mayo finally do win Sam.

km79

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

By the way have any of ye heard the MidWest commentary at the closing minutes of the game? It's absolutely heart breaking

Yes And I really really wish I hadn't
You can hear the hurt in Caseys voice

Also I NEVER watch any of the finals back. Don't read papers or listen to the podcasts. I try and just blank them from my mind
But I just had to look at Cillians free cos I wasn't the other end and side of pitch. And it looked very tricky from my angle
God I wish I hadn't see that either .it was way more kickable than I had thought

Kalyke

Lads, can we stop quoting "Robeman" . I have him on ignore but his ramblings appear when he is quoted. Thanks.

MaroonAndGreen

km79 wrote:

Also I NEVER watch any of the finals back. Don't read papers or listen to the podcasts. I try and just blank them from my mind But I just had to look at Cillians free cos I wasn't the other end and side of pitch. And it looked very tricky from my angle God I wish I hadn't see that either .it was way more kickable than I had thought

Yeah I seen that replay on Twitter and it killed me that it looked a lot easier on TV than where I was standing in the terrace. It looked a very difficult kick in real time.

PARlance

seligehgit wrote: »

Great post.I have not been able to watch the match back or the Saturday Game.Ditto any of the post match podcasts.At some stage over the darkness of the winter I might have the heart to watch them back.

And the same here. I might watch it back in December.