Dublin "Graffiti Artist" is like Banksy - says lawyer

Kermit.de.frog

Doesn't get any more classy than an ESB electricity supply box.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dublin-graffiti-artist-caught-spraying-logo-on-street-is-like-banksy-lawyer-tells-court-31496551.html

Personally I disagree with the lawyer. If I was to believe him i'd have to think he would have no issue with his own back wall being targeted for such graffiti.

P.S substitute "Graffiti Artist" in the title for vandal or whatever. It's more appropriate.

The judge commended the garda for catching an "artistic phantom of the night"

lol!

kylith

Tagging is not art.

There's some fantastic street art around, but tagging an ESB box is not it.

Kermit.de.frog

kylith wrote: »

There's some fantastic street art around

Would they not be better off putting their talents to better use than defacing public property?

kylith

I wouldn't call this defacing. Quite the opposite.

This is more the visual equivalent of a bunch of dogs pissing on a lamp post.

toptom

The Judge should have ordered him to cut his hair, Right scally wag head on him.

donegaLroad

It should be a bit like busking, there should be some sort of quality control assessment plus allocated areas where graffiti can be painted.

worth the 3 minutes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHFkU7Ay5V0

kneemos

kylith wrote: »

I wouldn't call this defacing. Quite the opposite.

This is more the visual equivalent of a bunch of dogs pissing on a lamp post.

They're both vulgar and out of place imo.
If anything the second one is more synonymous with an urban environment.

Nodin

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Personally I disagree with the lawyer. If I was to believe him i'd have to think he would have no issue with his own back wall being targeted for such graffiti.

P.S substitute "Graffiti Artist" in the title for vandal or whatever. It's more appropriate.

lol!

You realise its impossible to comment without a picture of said "art"?

donegaLroad

Nodin wrote: »

You realise its impossible to comment without a picture of said "art"?

I was looking for a link to the graffiti in the article, you would have thought they would have at least shown that..

Mesrine65

Worth a watch...

OldGoat

"Art" sprayed by commission or sprayed on the owners property can be viewed as art.
"Art" sprayed unsolicited on private or public spaces is vandalism.

jimgoose

kylith wrote: »

I wouldn't call this defacing. Quite the opposite.

This is more the visual equivalent of a bunch of dogs pissing on a lamp post.

I'd call them both vandalism. They both make the place look like knackerville.

TallGlass

Jaysis theres been worse crimes committed and people walk away with no punishment. What did he paint on the box?

maximoose

kylith wrote: »

Tagging is not art.

There's some fantastic street art around, but tagging an ESB box is not it.

There is some pleb who calls himself "Evoker"(?) that is on a mission to tag every square inch of Dublin City Centre with his shìtty fûcking tag.

If only I had the funds to hire a hitman....

osarusan

What I don't understand is that the lawyer is bringing up Banksy, but the lad himself is saying basically the opposite:

Cooper, of Aughrim Street, Dublin 7, denied in court there was any "artistic merit" in it.

He only had the cans because he had come from a painting job, he said. He insisted he was not part of the graffiti "subculture." He had since personally cleaned the box.

donegaLroad

clever Graffiti in Strabane..

kylith

jimgoose wrote: »

I'd call them both vandalism. They both make the place look like knackerville.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

There's a barber near where I work, and when the shutters are down there's graffiti of a razor and it says "cmere hippy". Every time I see it, it makes me lol

Earthhorse

There' some great graffiti around but all that tagging stuff is rubbish. You see it in the tops of houses in Ranelagh beside the Luas and it looks really out of place on red brick and slate. Makes the place look for worse.

Recently I've seen some electricity boxes get repainted (clearly with permission) and they look great as they are grey and drab things in the normal run.

As for this guy he cleaned it up and paid a fine. His lawyer's defense was transparent to the judge. Besides, he's no like Banksy; Banksy never got caught.

HalloweenJack

jimgoose wrote:

I'd call them both vandalism. They both make the place look like knackerville.

If that first one was in a frame, on a piece of canvas, in an art gallery, noone would bat an eyelid.

The same can not be said for the second one.

Mesrine65

maximoose wrote: »

There is some pleb who calls himself "Evoker"(?) that is on a mission to tag every square inch of Dublin City Centre with his shìtty fûcking tag.

If only I had the funds to hire a hitman....

I do quality 'wet work' at affordable prices, PM me

coldcake

They should have taken a picture of his 'tag' so more of his artistic pieces could be identified around the area and he could be rightly recognised for them too by the judge. Tags aren't art, they're ****.

Eugene Norman

Earthhorse wrote: »

There' some great graffiti around but all that tagging stuff is rubbish. You see it in the tops of houses in Ranelagh beside the Luas and it looks really out of place on red brick and slate. Makes the place look for worse.

Recently I've seen some electricity boxes get repainted (clearly with permission) and they look great as they are grey and drab things in the normal run.

As for this guy he cleaned it up and paid a fine. His lawyer's defense was transparent to the judge. Besides, he's no like Banksy; Banksy never got caught.

He's the invisible man. At this stage of the Bristol police chanced on banksy they'd ask for a signed autograph. With a doodle.

endacl

Evoke.

:mad:

foggy_lad

kylith wrote: »

I wouldn't call this defacing. Quite the opposite.

This is more the visual equivalent of a bunch of dogs pissing on a lamp post.

If the first is done with permission of the property owner with all planning permissions in place then it is a mural on a wall which can add to an area but otherwise it is just vandalism and will never be Art of any kind.

Kermit.de.frog

foggy_lad wrote: »

If the first is done with permission of the property owner with all planning permissions in place then it is a mural on a wall which can add to an area but otherwise it is just vandalism and will never be Art of any kind.

Exactly the point I was going to make. Doing it with permission of the property owner I have no issue with at all - actually i'd encourage it. Just tagging on random stuff is not art, never will be. It's vandalism.

Earthhorse

Something can be art and vandalism at the same time.

donegaLroad

I was in a town on Vancouver Island called Chemanis, and they have built their entire tourist industry around wall murals. It was a busy lumber town in the 60's, 70's and early 80's but the lumber industry suddenly ceased, so they put their heads together and came up with the idea of using some of the towns blank wall space to depict the history of the town with large scale murals done by some top artists.

Their visitor numbers went from 0 to 500,000 in the space of about 10 years. The town's main industry is now tourism, all down to the wall murals which have become world famous.

http://muraltown.com/

bodice ripper

Banksy isnt a graffiti writer.

Pac1Man

donegaLroad wrote: »

clever Graffiti in Strabane..

Can someone please explain?

arayess

LexieOnRale wrote: »

There's a barber near where I work, and when the shutters are down there's graffiti of a razor and it says "cmere hippy". Every time I see it, it makes me lol

opposite trinity college beside doyles?

kneemos

bodice ripper wrote: »

Banksy isnt a graffiti writer.

Thought his whole thang was graffiti.

the_syco

Pac1Man wrote: »

Can someone please explain?

Join the Library to find out... :pac:

bodice ripper

kneemos wrote: »

Thought his whole thang was graffiti.

Nope. Street art. Graffiti is letters, and stencils/masking tape isnt allowed.

kneemos

bodice ripper wrote: »

Nope. Street art. Graffiti is letters, and stencils/masking tape isnt allowed.

Because he's got the approval of a random group of art "experts" it's become street art?

You say Tomato.I say Tomato.

RayCon

Pac1Man wrote: »

Can someone please explain?

I'm guessing it originally said "Join the IRA" ... but IRA has been altered to Library

bodice ripper

kneemos wrote: »

Because he's got the approval of a random group of art "experts" it's become street art?

You say Tomato.I say Tomato.

No. I said its not letters. And no stencils.

Its a football =\= rugby thing.

kneemos

bodice ripper wrote: »

No. I said its not letters. And no stencils.

Its a football =\= rugby thing.

I said graffiti is in the eye of the beholder.
Which indeed it is.

KomradeBishop

Fun photo series, of a 'graffiti artist' taking the piss out of local authorities:
http://mashable.com/2015/07/01/graffiti-artist-experiment/

bodice ripper

kneemos wrote: »

I said graffiti is in the eye of the beholder.
Which indeed it is.

Well, I didn't realise your opinion was the deciding factor. I'll tell the others.

kneemos

bodice ripper wrote: »

Well, I didn't realise your opinion was the deciding factor. I'll tell the others.

The others opinion is no more valid.

bodice ripper

kneemos wrote: »

The others opinion is no more valid.

Are you a graffiti writer?

kneemos

bodice ripper wrote: »

Are you a graffiti writer?

HA!

bodice ripper

kneemos wrote: »

HA!

So an uninformed opinion. Fair enough.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

arayess wrote: »

opposite trinity college beside doyles?

Yes

donegaLroad

Graffiti stained glass by Banksy.. I just saw it over on Pinterest. I like it, but it is still graffiti at the end of the day, only it is presented in a different context.

mynamejeff

A solicitor talking complete muck on behalf of his client , nothing new there ,

I know a good few solicitors and the ones who are decent people seem to get beaten down over time by the lies.

the ones who aren't decent however just seem to get richer

Pink Lemons

When done right street art is absolutely fantastic. This piece that was done in Limerick last year for example;

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vHuizT1dT7M/U72iXMcuLbI/AAAAAAAAWI0/kJoqdaK4VNY/s1600/10339477_658050280955089_1221675754063096753_o.jpg

Cienciano

I like good graffiti, problem is that 99.9% of graffiti in dublin is absolute shít.
https://goo.gl/maps/MJd3l
https://goo.gl/maps/fH3GF
https://goo.gl/maps/7Msei
https://goo.gl/maps/lZEc0
https://goo.gl/maps/JgTtX

Thats in about 100m radius.

Herb Powell

It's almost all art. All of it. Yes, I'm being 100% serious.

whiskeyman

mynamejeff wrote: »

A solicitor talking complete muck on behalf of his client , nothing new there

Defence solicitor John Feaheny said: "Art is in the eye of the beholder. There is a famous person, Banksy, who started off doing this kind of stuff, now he's selling stuff for half a million."

If he really believes that, he should ask his defendant to spray his property / walls / car etc...
Sure, that'd be a great investment and would really back his claims...