Aer Lingus cadets 2016

highlydebased

I see Aer Lingus have just announced the 2016 Cadet Programme. Fully funded at FTE Jerez too. Jan 2016 start.

http://www.ftejerez.com/selection/aerlingus
http://careers.aerlingus.com/careers-in-the-air/cadet-pilots/



Just to add to this opening post. Any rants about the process or the company involved will result in a warning.
This is a discussion about the process and a place for applicants to talk to each other -Tenger.

Tzardine

Realistically , what are the chances of a somebody with no flying experience being considered ?

Do they favor people with a PPL or other experience ?

Growler!!!

If you don't apply the answer will always be NO!

PinOnTheRight

Tzardine wrote: »

Realistically , what are the chances of a somebody with no flying experience being considered ?

Do they favor people with a PPL or other experience ?

1) Pretty much equal to someone with experience.

2) No


That's the truth.

Tzardine

PinOnTheRight wrote: »

1) Pretty much equal to someone with experience.

2) No


That's the truth.

Guess i will be filling in the form so . Its weird. I was just looking at flight schools this morning.

Maybe its a sign from the universe or something.

flanzer

Realistically, what is the max age? Anyone ever get the call over the age of 30?

Tenger

flanzer wrote: »

Realistically, what is the max age? Anyone ever get the call over the age of 30?

Older cadets have been taken in. EI are looking for the best candidates, not the youngest/smartest/tallest/quickest tc etc

Negative_G

Best of luck to all those who apply. Great opportunity.

Hopefully those with a chip on their shoulder regarding nepotism will take a break and post elsewhere.

jamo2oo9

Certainly a great opportunity as it's fully funded cadetship which is quite rare these days.

billie1b

Is it fully funded this year?

smurfjed

Previously, Aer Lingus part funded this training. This year, we are very pleased to announce that Aer Lingus will be funding the entire cost of the training programme for each successful candidate. We believe this ensures even greater accessibility to what is a very exciting career opportunity.

Totally funded

billie1b

smurfjed wrote: »

Totally funded

Brilliant

EchoFoxtrot

Age is completely irrelevant for self respecting cadetships. They treat each candidate 100% equally (speculate on this all you want, I am a 30+ cadet).
The only thing which is likely to trip up older candidates is why only now do they want to make a career change. There is the risk of coming across like they are unhappy in their current job and are just looking for any way out. Make no mistake, if you're just 'throwing your hat into the ring' you won't get anywhere. People prep for opportunities like this for years.

The key criteria to address is MOTIVATION. What have you done to prove you're serious about the right hand seat? You want to change career, that's fine, but how will the interviewer know you're serious? Vs the kids who can say they've always wanted to be a pilot since they came out of the womb and have ample free time and parents cash to pursue aviation related interests, you need to have things you have done to compete with that. Saying 'I woke up one morning and realised I really really like planes' just ain't good enough.

This is generally why the typical cadetship age is about 20-21. A kid who has been spanking the monkey over plane porn for as long as he can remember generally shows greater motivation than Mr 30+ late bloomer. However, on self respecting cadetships like EI the average age is older. This shows they value life experience and personality. In this field an older candidate will completely outshine a young jiblet who has never had a conversation with anyone over 30 (and indeed has interests and hobbies outside of planes. Do you have any idea how f*****g boring it is to sit beside someone for 10 hours a day when all they can talk about is planes?).
-Also, the overall % of applicants who always wanted to be pilots is far greater than candidates who are changing career so the demographics will always favour the young


So in summary, it may be more tricky for older candidates to prove their motivation but it is very much a level playing field despite the larger % of younger candidates. I would even argue older candidates have an advantage with their wealth of life experience, there just tends to be less of them.

Good luck to all those who have been working towards this. For those who just fancy a change, give up now and save yourself the application fee.

...also looking forward to the first post about nepotism!

Mark..

EchoFoxtrot wrote: »

Age is completely irrelevant for self respecting cadetships. They treat each candidate 100% equally (speculate on this all you want, I am a 30+ cadet).
The only thing which is likely to trip up older candidates is why only now do they want to make a career change. There is the risk of coming across like they are unhappy in their current job and are just looking for any way out. Make no mistake, if you're just 'throwing your hat into the ring' you won't get anywhere. People prep for opportunities like this for years.

The key criteria to address is MOTIVATION. What have you done to prove you're serious about the right hand seat? You want to change career, that's fine, but how will the interviewer know you're serious? Vs the kids who can say they've always wanted to be a pilot since they came out of the womb and have ample free time and parents cash to pursue aviation related interests, you need to have things you have done to compete with that. Saying 'I woke up one morning and realised I really really like planes' just ain't good enough.

This is generally why the typical cadetship age is about 20-21. A kid who has been spanking the monkey over plane porn for as long as he can remember generally shows greater motivation than Mr 30+ late bloomer. However, on self respecting cadetships like EI the average age is older. This shows they value life experience and personality. In this field an older candidate will completely outshine a young jiblet who has never had a conversation with anyone over 30 (and indeed has interests and hobbies outside of planes. Do you have any idea how f*****g boring it is to sit beside someone for 10 hours a day when all they can talk about is planes?).
-Also, the overall % of applicants who always wanted to be pilots is far greater than candidates who are changing career so the demographics will always favour the young


So in summary, it may be more tricky for older candidates to prove their motivation but it is very much a level playing field despite the larger % of younger candidates. I would even argue older candidates have an advantage with their wealth of life experience, there just tends to be less of them.

Good luck to all those who have been working towards this. For those who just fancy a change, give up now and save yourself the application fee.

...also looking forward to the first post about nepotism!

It's great to hear this. I'm a line maintenance engineer in aerlingus and was happy to see they've advertised again, I was a bit sceptical with the IAG buy over. Like EFT above said from what I've seen its a diverse group of people they take on, hopefully it's a large class like last year going through. I'd say there crammed with Applications including my own, it was in the thousands the last time

Irish Steve

highlydebased wrote: »

I see Aer Lingus have just announced the 2016 Cadet Programme. Fully funded at FTE Jerez too. Jan 2016 start.

http://www.ftejerez.com/selection/aerlingus
http://careers.aerlingus.com/careers-in-the-air/cadet-pilots/

Oh to be 35 years younger!

Razor44

EchoFoxtrot wrote: »

Age is completely irrelevant for self respecting cadetships. They treat each candidate 100% equally (speculate on this all you want, I am a 30+ cadet).
The only thing which is likely to trip up older candidates is why only now do they want to make a career change. There is the risk of coming across like they are unhappy in their current job and are just looking for any way out. Make no mistake, if you're just 'throwing your hat into the ring' you won't get anywhere. People prep for opportunities like this for years.

The key criteria to address is MOTIVATION. What have you done to prove you're serious about the right hand seat? You want to change career, that's fine, but how will the interviewer know you're serious? Vs the kids who can say they've always wanted to be a pilot since they came out of the womb and have ample free time and parents cash to pursue aviation related interests, you need to have things you have done to compete with that. Saying 'I woke up one morning and realised I really really like planes' just ain't good enough.

This is generally why the typical cadetship age is about 20-21. A kid who has been spanking the monkey over plane porn for as long as he can remember generally shows greater motivation than Mr 30+ late bloomer. However, on self respecting cadetships like EI the average age is older. This shows they value life experience and personality. In this field an older candidate will completely outshine a young jiblet who has never had a conversation with anyone over 30 (and indeed has interests and hobbies outside of planes. Do you have any idea how f*****g boring it is to sit beside someone for 10 hours a day when all they can talk about is planes?).
-Also, the overall % of applicants who always wanted to be pilots is far greater than candidates who are changing career so the demographics will always favour the young


So in summary, it may be more tricky for older candidates to prove their motivation but it is very much a level playing field despite the larger % of younger candidates. I would even argue older candidates have an advantage with their wealth of life experience, there just tends to be less of them.

Good luck to all those who have been working towards this. For those who just fancy a change, give up now and save yourself the application fee.

...also looking forward to the first post about nepotism!

Excellent post. I wish I could go for this but iv made my bed now so I'll be keeping to it. Im just into my second year in law, I can only echo the sentiment expressed above, I'm 29 and my class is mostly 18,19,20 well connected and bright. Being an older candidate for anything is not a hindrance. Once you know why you're their and what you want, you should out shine the kids. Don't get me wrong they deserve to be there as well, but someone with life experience who isn't wet behind the ears will always punch above there weight. However the caveat with that is you MUST want to be there and have a grasp of what you're embarking upon.

Anyways good luck to all.

Stormhawk88

Hopefully it will be third time lucky for me this time and for whoever else has been persisting over the years. Good luck to everyone applying.

Never give up on the dream!

AndyBoBandy

Something I would have always loved to have done, and with a sailing & engineering background, something I maybe could of had a decent stab at 10 or so years ago, however at 33, I feel the opportunity has passed me by at this stage.

Good luck to all those that will apply, chase your dreams.

It would be nice to hear of a boardie or 2 intercepting the glide slope, and getting selected.

GTTDI GOD

So I applied and got my application questions. Can anyone tell me if there is a maximum word count for the first two questions like it is for questions 3 - 6? Or does it matter?

Mark..

GTTDI GOD wrote: »

So I applied and got my application questions. Can anyone tell me if there is a maximum word count for the first two questions like it is for questions 3 - 6? Or does it matter?

For which Are you referring too, the initial form on the careers website or the one emailed to you after the website application?

GTTDI GOD

Mark.. wrote:

For which Are you referring too, the initial form on the careers website or the one emailed to you after the website application?

Sorry, the one emailed after the initial application.

Mark..

GTTDI GOD wrote: »

Sorry, the one emailed after the initial application.

Like you said there was no word count stated on mine either, so I wrote a fairly long paragraph. Give as much information as possible would be my advice. Good luck

GTTDI GOD

Mark.. wrote:

Like you said there was no word count stated on mine either, so I wrote a fairly long paragraph. Give as much information as possible would be my advice. Good luck

Thanks, I just didn't want to send away anything that was too long! Good luck to you too, and all that are applying!

Dean.

Just applied earlier.

I'm kinda raging because I am beginning Aviation Technology in two weeks in DIT. I feel like I'm three years too late now. I'd imagine someone with a degree in any area of Aviation would stand a great chance of getting through the shortlisting stage.

Oh well, there's always the chance they'll offer Cadetship again in...2018 because let's face it... E60,000+ is just too much money in this day and age lol.

SRFC90

GTTDI GOD wrote: »

So I applied and got my application questions. Can anyone tell me if there is a maximum word count for the first two questions like it is for questions 3 - 6? Or does it matter?

Do you know is it 3 days to return your answers after you send off the initial application, or 3 days from when you open a link (if there is one) they send you containing the questions?

Reason I ask is I'm very busy with work the next few days and don't want to send off the initial application if I only have 3 days from then, as I won't have much time to focus on it!

GTTDI GOD

SRFC90 wrote:

Do you know is it 3 days to return your answers after you send off the initial application, or 3 days from when you open a link (if there is one) they send you containing the questions?

Reason I ask is I'm very busy with work the next few days and don't want to send off the initial application if I only have 3 days from then, as I won't have much time to focus on it!

It's 3 days from when you receive the email (link). It seems to come pretty quick after you submit your application.

clive_odonohoe

I applied on Monday evening, should it take this long to find out if I have made it into the next selection process? Anyone else still waiting?

Tzardine

Check your junk. My email went there. Received it immediately.

Sterling Archer

Would my SPL(H) Apply under the Pilot licence section? if so I hope the old flight school/company still have it.

clive_odonohoe

Tzardine wrote: »

Check your junk. My email went there. Received it immediately.

I have been checking that too, I just got the normal email straight away after applying:

Dear Applicant,

Thank you for applying to the Aer Lingus Cadet Pilot Training programme.

We are reviewing your application to ensure that it meets the essential requirements for qualification to enter the selection process. We will be in contact with you by email in the next few days to advise of the status of your application.

Thank you for your interest in a career with Aer Lingus

The Assessment Team


Presume I would still here from either of it was good or bad news...?

colbarr

I wouldn't expect to hear anything until after the closing date. And at that, probably another week after as I'd say there are a lot more applications this year than in the past for them to get through.

Newport81

im in my final year of arts and dont have the maths grade they are looking for in the leaving is there any point in still applying anyway? would love this!!

Bsal

smyths wrote: »

im in my final year of arts and dont have the maths grade they are looking for in the leaving is there any point in still applying anyway? would love this!!

Just apply anyway and see what happens.

Alrite Chief

clive_odonohoe wrote: »

I have been checking that too, I just got the normal email straight away after applying:

Dear Applicant,

Thank you for applying to the Aer Lingus Cadet Pilot Training programme.

We are reviewing your application to ensure that it meets the essential requirements for qualification to enter the selection process. We will be in contact with you by email in the next few days to advise of the status of your application.

Thank you for your interest in a career with Aer Lingus

The Assessment Team


Presume I would still here from either of it was good or bad news...?

I haven't received the next section either. I only applied yesterday. I assume they review initial applications and then fire out the next part in bulk. I wasn't really expecting anything until after the closing date myself really.

Aerobar

Hi,

Also applied there but not so lucky! I filled out the initial form correctly, I met all the minimum criteria but got a response thanking me for my application but "I was unsuccessful"!

Granted I don't have a college degree or a PPL, surely I should have been afforded an aptitude test as I met their "essential" criteria??
How can I have been unsuccessful in my attempt when I met everything they asked for??

I'm a bit annoyed and baffled tbh!!

Anyone there shed any light on it for me??

I reckon its a true sign of the owl nepotism raising its ugly head again:-)))

gerire

I went for the last two cadetships. The year aerlingus ran it I got to the final interview, was fairly well along in the process and was gutted.
Then last year the first year jerez ran it didn't get past the 2nd application form. Must be a huge difference in what they are looking for.
I've applied again two days ago. I'd say I'm touching the upper limits in the age bracket they'd consider. But I'll give it my best and we'll see.

ProfessorPlum

Aerobar wrote: »

Hi,

Also applied there but not so lucky! I filled out the initial form correctly, I met all the minimum criteria but got a response thanking me for my application but "I was unsuccessful"!

Granted I don't have a college degree or a PPL, surely I should have been afforded an aptitude test as I met their "essential" criteria??
How can I have been unsuccessful in my attempt when I met everything they asked for??

I'm a bit annoyed and baffled tbh!!

Anyone there shed any light on it for me??

I reckon its a true sign of the owl nepotism raising its ugly head again:-)))

Everybody who meets the minimum criteria gets to the next stage. If you feel you do, I'd contact them as there was probably an error on the form. This happened to s few people last time, and it was corrected and they got their invitation to aptitude test.


And would ya leave off with the auld nepotism sh1te.

Big Wex fan

It's great to see Aer Lingus giving people the opportunity to do this. My 14 yr old son is mad into anything to do with flying & his dream is to become a pilot. Just hope Aer Lingus are still doing this when he's old enough or will BA or what ever they're called these days haven't got rid of this program by then.

Aerobar

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Everybody who meets the minimum criteria gets to the next stage. If you feel you do, I'd contact them as there was probably an error on the form. This happened to s few people last time, and it was corrected and they got their invitation to aptitude test.


And would ya leave off with the auld nepotism sh1te.

Thanks professor!
I'll give it a try, any ideas who people raised it with last time AL or Jerez?

_Tombstone_

Big Wex fan wrote: »

It's great to see Aer Lingus giving people the opportunity to do this. My 14 yr old son is mad into anything to do with flying & his dream is to become a pilot. Just hope Aer Lingus are still doing this when he's old enough or will BA or what ever they're called these days haven't got rid of this program by then.

Sure, planes will be flying themselves in 20 years, he'd be made redundant in no time.

Pat Dunne

_Tombstone_ wrote: »

Sure, planes will be flying themselves in 20 years, he'd be made redundant in no time.

Ah sure, I remember that when I was growing up (still a matter of some conjecture in certain circles ) we where going to be living in cities under the sea and the lucky one's would be living on the Moon.

Now back I'll get back on topic and the very best to everyone who has applied.

airbuspilot

Do you need a lea inv cert to apply?

ProfessorPlum

airbuspilot wrote: »

Do you need a lea inv cert to apply?

No, not if you have something that could be equivalent or better - 'leaving cert' from another country, a college diploma or degree or an apprentiship could suffice.

ProfessorPlum

Aerobar wrote: »

Thanks professor!
I'll give it a try, any ideas who people raised it with last time AL or Jerez?

I think it was directly with EI.

CiaranMel

Everyone who is interested in becoming a pilot. This is a great opportunity for you!

Alrite Chief

gerire wrote: »

I went for the last two cadetships. The year aerlingus ran it I got to the final interview, was fairly well along in the process and was gutted.
Then last year the first year jerez ran it didn't get past the 2nd application form. Must be a huge difference in what they are looking for.
I've applied again two days ago. I'd say I'm touching the upper limits in the age bracket they'd consider. But I'll give it my best and we'll see.

How many stages are involved and what kind of numbers are competing?

The information iv got so far is complete the online application within 3 days of receiving it. Then if successful an assessment day early October which is 290e. Then if successful an interview with AL. After that is there further assessment or would you be at medical/reference stage?

Best of luck again this time around.

coneill1991

How did everyone get on with the questionnaire?

I found it tough with the 500 word limit

Anyone else have problems like that?

Mr. Gobbledygook

coneill1991 wrote: »

How did everyone get on with the questionnaire?

I found it tough with the 500 word limit

Anyone else have problems like that?

In the interest of fairness to all applicants, such details probably shouldn't be discussed at this early stage. Given that the initial application stage remains open until Sunday, this could give potential candidates an advantage over others, if they theoretically have until next Wednesday to prepare their answers.

I'm sure that you'll probably agree, in that nobody should either be advantaged or disadvantaged in the process. I'll gladly discuss this come Sunday though!

Best of luck to all!

Alrite Chief

Is anyone here aware of the process from this part onwards?

Will that questionnaire be used to cut numbers down? Or is it just a tool for interviews if you progressed through the assessment? As in everyone that has returned it correctly completed is invited for assessment.

coneill1991

Mr. Gobbledygook wrote: »

In the interest of fairness to all applicants, such details probably shouldn't be discussed at this early stage. Given that the initial application stage remains open until Sunday, this could give potential candidates an advantage over others, if they theoretically have until next Wednesday to prepare their answers.

I'm sure that you'll probably agree, in that nobody should either be advantaged or disadvantaged in the process. I'll gladly discuss this come Sunday though!

Best of luck to all!

Ya your absolutely right I wasn't thinking when I post that.

Mr. Gobbledygook

Alrite Chief wrote: »

Is anyone here aware of the process from this part onwards?

Will that questionnaire be used to cut numbers down? Or is it just a tool for interviews if you progressed through the assessment? As in everyone that has returned it correctly completed is invited for assessment.

With regards the process from this point onwards, should one be successful at this stage they will be invited to Dublin for assessments at the end of the month / early next month. Following on from that, from the sounds of it at least, it seems as though you will be invited for interview if successful here. It’s surprising really, given the large number of applicants. In previous years, there have been several stages before reaching the final interview from what I’m aware. There may indeed be further stages this year, but I haven’t found anything supporting this. Maybe someone else knows?

Regarding the questionnaire, without going into detail of course, it will no doubt serve as a means of culling the crowd. It may also potentially be used by the recruitment team, in preparation for interview, seen as there was no opportunity for applicants to upload a curriculum vitae.

coneill1991 wrote: »

Ya your absolutely right I wasn't thinking when I post that.

Easy thing to do. You’re clearly eager, which can only be a good thing! At this point though, it’s best not to worry about how others have done, as there is nothing that you can do to change that.