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Why are Australian barstaff such powertripping c*nts?

  • 27-08-2015 3:57am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭


    Every time you order a beer they act like they are doing you a HUGE favour wtf?, and then they are just *itching* to throw you out, at their whim. And don't get me started on the bouncers, lol.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    s20101938 wrote: »
    Every time you order a beer they act like they are doing you a HUGE favour wtf?, and then they are just *itching* to throw you out, at their whim. And don't get me started on the bouncers, lol.

    I have never had a problem with Australian barstaff but the mentality when it comes to dealing with drunk people is different to that in Ireland. The main reason for that is because of the fines that can be imposed on bar staff for serving a drunk or on bouncers for allowing a drunk person to be on the premises. These are personal fines on the people not on the pub itself.
    If a person was to walk out of a bar and get hit by a car the bar staff who served him could be held responsible for this. This is why their attitude might be a bit different to the bar staff you are used to in Ireland. I'm guessing you're not in Australia that long?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Sundy


    What bar and where?

    Personally I've never really had any issues other than occasional very slow service


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭witnessrenegade


    Only thing I found annoying was being turned away from bars when we were all guys, if more than two of us walked up to most bars we were turned away because we didn't have any women with us, usually happened on Chapel Street or in St Kilda


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭woolymammoth


    maybe you're just going to the wrong sort of pubs, or reading into something that just doesn't exist.

    bouncers can be a bit snotty at times, but i've never experienced any bar staff make me feel or act like they were doing me a favour just by serving me. That'd just be plain un-australian imho!

    now, dublin bar staff on the other hand.... :pac: jokes! they were pretty good most times :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭Mackman


    I have never come across this, the worst I have to say about Aussie bar staff is they can be slow, and have trouble multi-tasking.

    I have found that there is a bigger focus on being friendly to customers here than back home. I.e. in a petrol station, I'm always greeted with a smile and a "hello, how are you?", rather than a grunt and "any petrol or diesel"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭aujopimur


    My experience of Oz retailing is pleasant and polite, a little slow sometimes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    No problems in Brissy. I imagine it's like anywhere else in the world. Approach them with an attitude and you'll probably get one back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    Went to meet my wife and her work colleagues in some pretentious attempt for a snazy bar in downtown Perth, I was late from work so when I got there the girls were well drunk. I headed to the bar to order a round but the guy says he won't serve me my beer until I drink water first as I might have had too much, yet he has no problem serving me the drinks for the girls who at this stage with their hooting and hollering are the main life in the bar!

    So rather have another WTF moment of which there were many in Perth (seeing a lady walking her bicycle being stopped and fined for not having a bell on it!!!!!) I just calmly say "why thank you, I better do that shouldn't I" in my best wasted sarcasm way.

    The other thing that would make little baby Jesus cry was sitting in a bar in Fremantle and seeing a bouncer tap a chap on the shoulder for standing up to get something out of his pocket while holding his beer in his other hand; no standing while holding beer!! Even when bringing you beer from the bar pausing for a moment on route would trigger the bouncers!!!

    Serious control freaks in Perth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭lg123


    catbear wrote: »
    Serious control freaks in Perth.
    ah, the poor things, leave them alone. they don't have much happening between the ears so its kinda nice they have their moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 rhino1


    no shots after midnight in Sydney .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭rightyabe


    I know a lad in Perth who was stopped going into a Irish bar because the bouncer reckoned he was drunk...even thou he's a tee totaller... When he said he doesn't even drink the bouncer replied "well your no go to us if you don't drink, we'll make no money off you" and let all his drunk mates in but not him...needless to say they all just left then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 NYC2013


    A few years ago me and my friends were trying to get into a bar on George Street in Sydney, one bouncer goes to the other "Are we leaving in Irish tonight?" "No not tonight mate"

    I've never been thrown out of a bar in Ireland or haven't been thrown out of any bars since I moved to New York but I reckon I must have got f*cked out of about 20 of them in two years in Australia lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,232 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    aido79 wrote: »
    The main reason for that is because of the fines that can be imposed on bar staff for serving a drunk or on bouncers for allowing a drunk person to be on the premises. These are personal fines on the people not on the pub itself.
    Those fines do exist, but I've never heard of an bar staff getting fined with one. Why would they either. When somebody is getting served, everyone is happy. It's when they get cut-off they there's a problem, and the bar staff is in the clear at that point. Or if they cause a fight, the staff can get them kick out or call the police, again they are in the clear.

    They have to serve someone in front whose completely locked in plain sight of a cop to get a fine I'd say.
    If a person was to walk out of a bar and get hit by a car the bar staff who served him could be held responsible for this. This is why their attitude might be a bit different to the bar staff you are used to in Ireland.
    I don't think the staff can be held any more liable for consequences due to alcohol in Australia than in Ireland.

    There was a case a few years ago where a pub gave a drunken patron back his keys, and he crashed and died on the way home. The court did find the pub/staff liable, as they'd a duty of care. But the high court overturned it saying that people saying that people are ultimately responsible for their actions. That was 2 or 3 years ago.

    That said, there could be other circumstances involved where the pub could be liable too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭17larsson


    catbear wrote: »

    Serious control freaks in Perth.

    It's a nanny state. A guy I know got penalty points and a fine for indicating too early


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭lufties


    17larsson wrote: »
    It's a nanny state. A guy I know got penalty points and a fine for indicating too early

    I got a fine of 600 dollars in 2010 for not wearing a seatbelt in perth. Also in brisbane, I highlighted politely to a bar woman that she was serving everyone around me except me. She replied 'ok sir what the **** would you like', theres some awful knackers in that country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭stop animal cruelty


    Is it easy to find work in a bar over there? With experience


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    I lived in Darwin for a year, never really had a problem.

    Funny observation though, you could be wasted at a bar and legally they have to offer you water, if you refused it then no more booze, but drink it and they would continue to serve you until you fall flat on ur arse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭AngryHippie


    lufties wrote: »
    I got a fine of 600 dollars in 2010 for not wearing a seatbelt

    Proper order.

    Dangerously stupid.

    Its now double demerits for using a mobile phone too. 6 points on the nose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,232 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Its now double demerits for using a mobile phone too. 6 points on the nose.

    Nationally, or in particular states?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭lg123


    Proper order.

    Dangerously stupid.

    Its now double demerits for using a mobile phone too. 6 points on the nose.
    agree.

    where is it double demerits?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭AngryHippie


    It came in for QLD yesterday. Won't take long for rest of country.

    Whoops, the radio left out some important information this morning....

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-01/double-demerit-points-for-drivers-using-mobile-phone/6739508

    It's only for a second offense in a 12 month period.

    Still, the number of clowns I have seen driving around sending messages....

    WTF is Siri for.

    It's hilarious what it transcribes some of my messages into.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Always had a good experience, mainly in the outback.
    Got refused entry once because there was a no tattoo policy.
    Covered up and got served, then the police raided the place.
    I just know how to pick 'em lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,232 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    biko wrote: »
    Got refused entry once because there was a no tattoo policy.
    Covered up and got served, then the police raided the place.

    That's fairly ridiculous tbf.

    What did the police raid it for?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭lufties


    Proper order.

    Dangerously stupid.

    Its now double demerits for using a mobile phone too. 6 points on the nose.

    bollocks. its revenue raising primarily. fooking nanny state, i foolishly got residency but never used it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,232 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    lufties wrote: »
    bollocks. its revenue raising primarily. fooking nanny state, i foolishly got residency but never used it.
    Are you saying that it's ok to not wear a seatbelt?
    or are you saying that the fine was excessive?
    or both?



    Edit: Also, I thought the seatbelt fine was $300?
    Did you get fined for a passenger too?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    lufties wrote: »
    bollocks. its revenue raising primarily. fooking nanny state, i foolishly got residency but never used it.


    I don't recall if double demerits means double the fine?

    So it's not like an increased amount of revenue is earned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    From the same OP that brought you "Australian waitresses are ****wits" :D

    Where is it that you happened upon these ***** OP?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    biko wrote: »
    From the same OP that brought you "Australian waitresses are ****wits" :D

    Where is it that you happened upon these ***** OP?

    He is a tad angry, is the old OP.
    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭lufties


    Mellor wrote: »
    Are you saying that it's ok to not wear a seatbelt?
    or are you saying that the fine was excessive?
    or both?



    Edit: Also, I thought the seatbelt fine was $300?
    Did you get fined for a passenger too?

    its 600 in perth..i was travelling at about 30km an hour..thought it was excessive


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    lufties wrote: »
    its 600 in perth..i was travelling at about 30km an hour..thought it was excessive

    Did you explain to the cop that you always drive at about 30km or that you normally wear your seatbelt and he caught you on the one day you weren't wearing it?
    Revenue raising is a term used by people who think the police are only doing it to make some money. How fast do you think the average Aussie in a v8 would drive if they knew there was no possibilty of getting caught? How many more people would be killed in car crashes if seat belts weren't compulsory? The fines might seem excessive but that's the only way to deter people from breaking the laws. I bet you didn't forget to put your seatbelt on again after that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭AngryHippie


    lufties wrote: »
    its 600 in perth..i was travelling at about 30km an hour..thought it was excessive

    So is the cost of having a fire crew pick little pieces of you out from the tires of a road train when you shot through the windscreen in what should have been a survivable accident.
    Ask anyone who has ever attended a serious accident whether they think it's excessive, they know, they've been there.

    I understand the sentiment that it's a little upsetting to get a fine for it, but as a deterrent, has it worked ?
    If so then, from the rest of the road user's point of view, it was spot on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Sundy


    the thing that annoys me about speed cameras in Perth is that they put them in places like Mounts Bay Road where nobody ever dies.

    Meanwhile out in the hills and country Wa the road toll keeps going. They deploy more speed cameras and catch more people but never solve the actual problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Slideways


    Back to the OP,

    I've just noticed that bar staff in Perth appear to be of a pretty poor standard. Multitasking is a definite no-no
    When I worked in a bar I would always have 3 or 4 orders on the go at any one time when busy.

    The bouncers on the other hand...
    Saying that I don't blame them for being a bit standoffish with some of the carry on.

    When I did go out the "no energy drinks after midnight" used to bug me. I don't drink so if I started to flag I used to have a red bull to put a pep in my step. Most of the places I tend to go to now will serve me a coffee. ( normally by some hipster in skinny jeans with a top knot haha)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭markymark21


    Depends on the bar really! But there is a bit of a rock star mentality with a lot of bar staff - usually in the more upmarket venues, or places which are badly run and hire knob heads. In most normal bars I haven't encountered any hassle or really poor service.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    I will say no Australian bar staff I have encountered would never handle any pub withing 3km of Lansdowne Road on match day.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,232 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Zambia wrote: »
    I will say no Australian bar staff I have encountered would never handle any pub withing 3km of Lansdowne Road on match day.

    That's a fair assessment.
    Taking orders fast and the ability to handle 4 orders is not a skill they have grasped


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Timistry


    totally agree with the above lads. cant multi-task at all. When I go home for xmas im amazed at the ability of Irish bar staff to take 4-5 hours at a time and pour all drinks at the same time, using Guinness settling time as a buffer between each order.

    Also can never get used to the fact that you cant just sit at the bar, strike up a casual conversation with the barman, talk about the news/weather/sport and gradually befriend them so when you walk in they have your pint on and a seat ready for you!

    Can understand the bouncers attitudes with the number of tossers around but alot of them seem to be on power trips. I got asked once to do the "touch your nose, stand on one leg" sobriety test going into a bar in Perth. My balance is not great at the best of times so they wanted to breathlyse me.... ffs!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭crushproof


    Zambia wrote: »
    I will say no Australian bar staff I have encountered would never handle any pub withing 3km of Lansdowne Road on match day.

    To be fair I would say any bar staff outside of Ireland couldn't handle a match day or a hectic Irish wedding down the country.
    Go across the water to the UK and feel you blood boil as you wait, and wait, and wait for the bartender slowly work his way through each customer. It's the one thing foreign friends of mine notice when in Ireland....How the f**k do they do all that!!!


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