Whitepaper on Defence 2015

roadmaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117809019#Comment_117809019

It was like watching an episode of Yes Minster. Coveney was the perfect mouthpiece for the DOD, it was like Sir Humprey wrote the replys for him.

roadmaster

According to the Business post it looks like Cathal Brughas days are numbered with as the LDA has it in its sights. With the white paper maybe we could see this style of old town/city barracks shut down across the country and 6 new modern bases with on base accomdation built at stategic locations.

If the LDA are looking at cathal brugha you can be sure they are looking at all the other barrack locations. Besides these barracks where designed over 150 years a go for an army of occuption not a modern defence force

sparky42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117848850#Comment_117848850

If they are, it’s not going to be long as well before they start looking at Baldonnel again, the Dublin councils have long wanted it. But sadly I doubt we’ll see modern barracks to replace them.

roadmaster

@ Provision of a New Military Medical Facility for the Defence Forces at Casement Aerodrome, Baldonnel, Co. Dublin

The above was in the budget today. Is this a replacement for st brickins or is it more like a GP surgery building?

Peregrine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118011495#Comment_118011495

The LDA wants St Bricin's and the DF wants a new medical facility. It will be a smaller building than St. Bricin's. What's being proposed is a primary care centre and some specialist medical care facilities which I believe is what goes on in St. Bricin's these days anyway. I know most specialist care is provided through the public and private healthcare systems but is there any inpatient care left there?

TXPTGR1

Any chance they’d turn Finner into a golf course- looks like it would be a good one

roadmaster

Well since 1) its an important security assest 2) its a new build by our standards and 3) you would have Mica standard protests if it closed i would say never going to happen

roadmaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012027#Comment_118012027

If they are building that at casement i presume the the air corps wont be heading for shannon any day soon!. Like you mention about the lda after bricins they are also after cathal bruagha. I wonder could we see the mem and women in cathal bruagh rellocated to a new barracks within the casement grounds?

Larbre34

Yeah look I mean talk of Shannon is just us spitballing, but who knows what the Commission might suggest about reorganisation and rationalisation under a unified force structure.

Leaving all that aside though, Casement does seem like a very odd location for a largish medical centre. Its a tight enough site as it is, in terms of airside development potential for the future. Putting a completely superfluous facility on it, just because they own the land, seems ms very short-sighted.

And also, its very inaccessible without a car, surely something could be developed on the site of either Dublin barracks or alongside an existing hospital, like Connolly for example.

roadmaster

Its good to see the 139s have being upgraded with Stealth technology. I was following one on abs exchange from Dublin to Just over the Border at clones when it disappeared!!

Larbre34

Doesn't need to be stealthy to simply turn its transponder off.

Psychlops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118070577#Comment_118070577

Or the terrain..

Pete_Cavan

The tender process to appoint consultants for a new Military Medical Facility for the Defence Forces at Casement Aerodrome began last month. Here is the link for the architect tender;

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/197628/1/0

roadmaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118071864#Comment_118071864

Id prefer Stealths 139s it more fun

roadmaster

If the nasty LDA gets it hands on all the Defence forces assests in the Dublin Area, Would Thortan hall be a good location for a new modern built military base? It has some of the infastructure in place and is also in a good location for access to the M50. The best adavantage is the state owns it

Larbre34

I can't see the DF giving up the two remaining a bases in the City and I can't really see the Government wanting to either.

They provide a vital base of operations for security to the Government buildings and key installations, not to mention the ceremonial duties, military police and so on. Cathal Brugha Barracks also host the military archives.

Besides, who knows where the World will be in a few years, having a secure base to deploy against civil unrest, operate helicopters and so on, may be needed.

In any case, the requirement to get out of the aging Mountjoy Prison still persists. Whether Thornton Hall ever comes back into the conversation for that, who knows, but the LDA may get the opportunity to develop more than a few sites like Mountjoy in the next decade or two.

roadmaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118382270#Comment_118382270

The government in a heartbeat would level cathal bruagh and mckee for housing if they taught it would win votes.

Larbre34

I disagree.

In principle, yes, it's something they might do, but I don't think either delivers a big enough win to risk the consequences. Besides, it's Eamon Ryan that has brought it up a few times, FF and FG will probably knock it on the head out of spite for him.

You need to look at the context too. McKee is not 300 metres from the O'Devaney Gardens site, which is already the subject of major local upset at the extent of high density and high rise planned for it. Major ongoing work at TUD Grangegorman is also just down the road. The burden of this intensification of development inside the M50 has to be seen to be spread more evenly or there are political fights to come that will lose them far more votes than it may win.

roadmaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118382459#Comment_118382459

I can just see the lads in the park looking over the wall from there office in to mckee going jesus lads plenty of room to park the vans there while some inspector looking for promation can turn to the boss and say do you know the new station that where building thats to small how bot we take mckee instead!

On cathal Brugha i am 110% certain its day are numbered as we know it