Mf 4345

lstmd

Looking at a mf 4345 3000 hrs 2002 19k plus vat. Wondering what people think of them. Wondering why some websites say they are 75 hp and others say 90hp.

leoch

lstmd wrote: »

Looking at a mf 4345 3000 hrs 2002 19k plus vat. Wondering what people think of them. Wondering why some websites say they are 75 hp and others say 90hp.

Think they are 85hp its not badly priced at that if its a 4wd is it 12\12 manual shuttle or 24\24

dohc turbo2

leoch wrote: »

Think they are 85hp its not badly priced at that if its a 4wd is it 12\12 manual shuttle or 24\24

4l , 4 cylinder engine , and 75 hp

lstmd

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

4l , 4 cylinder engine , and 75 hp

It's 12/12 manual. What's the difference between that and 24/24. It looks a very clean tractor which I like.

twin_beacon

I had a brochure on the 4300 series when they were being made, it said the 4345 was 90hp, depending on where you look online, different horse powers are thrown around.

Nice tractor, I assume it doesn't come with a loader for that price? They wont hold their value like the 300 series that went before them, however thats not a bad refection on the 4300 series, the 300 are just well overpriced for what you get on the second hand market! What style of bonnet does it have? The "snoopy" bonnet gives great visibility for loader work

lstmd

It has the slanted bonnet and no loader. Looks like nice tidy tractor. Was told the 4245 was a better tractor and the 4345 gave some trouble but not sure how knowledgeable the guy who told me that was.

CloughCasey1

lstmd wrote: »

It has the slanted bonnet and no loader. Looks like nice tidy tractor. Was told the 4245 was a better tractor and the 4345 gave some trouble but not sure how knowledgeable the guy who told me that was.

We have 4255 and our mechanic says all that should ever go in it is wearable parts. He said newer ones are a pile of s***e.

lstmd

What is the difference between the 4255 and the 4355?

agriman27

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

4l , 4 cylinder engine , and 75 hp

They're definitely at least 85hp, the 4355 I have is 95hp and they are basically the same, there wouldn't be that much difference in horsepower between two models. They're fairly straightforward tractors with minimal electrics, the one I have has a loader on it, it's a capable tractor and it's far more comfortable than the 300 series. The tractor you're looking at seems like good enough value 12x12 gearbox is simple and well tested.

smokey-fitz

This is out of the 4300 series manual. 4345 is 85 din hp.

smokey-fitz

lstmd wrote: »

What is the difference between the 4255 and the 4355?

Just a newer model. Power shuttle 24x24 came as a option in the 43 and the gear lever was changed to the console instead of the long lever out of the floor.

CloughCasey1

smokey-fitz wrote: »

Just a newer model. Power shuttle 24x24 came as a option in the 43 and the gear lever was changed to the console instead of the long lever out of the floor.

And I think according to our mechanic that's where the problem is

White Clover

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

And I think according to our mechanic that's where the problem is

It's the other way around clough ! The long lever was part of the reason all 300 series and 4200 series broke the famous little spring in the gearbox. Not a problem in the 4300's. Very little between 42's and 43's. They ironed out all the little niggles with the 43 so imv a more desirable tractor.

dohc turbo2

agriman27 wrote: »

They're definitely at least 85hp, the 4355 I have is 95hp and they are basically the same, there wouldn't be that much difference in horsepower between two models. They're fairly straightforward tractors with minimal electrics, the one I have has a loader on it, it's a capable tractor and it's far more comfortable than the 300 series. The tractor you're looking at seems like good enough value 12x12 gearbox is simple and well tested.

from tractor data

twin_beacon

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

from tractor data

according to MF its 90hp. probably in between
http://www.used-massey-tractors.com/brochures/show/brochure/39/bname/brochure-39

agriman27

The 4345 fuel pump can be screwed out to put out the same power as the 4355, there's a mechanical pump on them.

smokey-fitz

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

from tractor data

That is pto power. Not the same as engine power.

jimmy G M

smokey-fitz wrote: »

That is pto power. Not the same as engine power.

Yep, PTO power generally 10 -15% lower than than rated engine Din hp, as a certain amount of power is lost in transmission. 4355 is 85 Din Hp

PN14

4345 is the equivalent of the older 390. The 4355 would be equivalent of the 390T. Engine rating on the 4345 is 85HP DIN (90hp ISO) with the PTO rating of 75HP.

I have attached brochure for the 4300 series.

Its similar to the 4200 series apart from cosmetic changes really. Biggest change was to change long floor mounted gear lever (range & gear selector) to a console mounted short level. The longer lever was prone to giving bother in the 4200 & 300 series tractors.

Some 4300 models have cab mounted exhaust which improves visibility. I believe all the 4200 series have bonnet mounted exhausts.

We have a 4345 hi vis 12x12 manual shuttle (snoopy nose) at home have it around 5/6 years at this stage. We have found it an excellent tractor although to be honest from what we were used to anything would have been an upgrade. We have had to do the clutch on it (loader on full time and does all winter feeding & bale handling so not unexpected) but that has been it apart from yearly service.

Ours is only 30k box however there are 40k box ones available. It depends on your road work requirements really. To be honest with a lot of mounted implements 30k is often more than enough but if you have road work with trailers etc then a 40k box would be nice.

When we buying we couldn't justify the cost of the 300 series for what they were and the 4300 series while a bit more expensive was a 10 year newer tractor and to be honest the brother is law has a nice well minded 390 and I know I would & he would rather spend the day in our 4345 than his own 390.

twin_beacon

yea the 4245 and 4345 are the equivalent to the 390, and are a far superior machine to do a days work in. Although for the average stock farmer, the longest stint in the tractor every year is a day at bales. We have the floor mounted gear lever on our 4245, can be tricky to engage 3rd at times, just doesn't go in first time.

We considered trading it against a 08 TL100a last winter, however decided to keep it, the money would be much better invested elsewhere considering the 4245 has never given us many problems.

agriman27

They should have more power than a 390 because the 4345 have a turbo, the only difference is the fuel pump is down rated a little bit, but they don't have the same instant throttle response that the 300 series had, emissions bollix

tomwaterford

Do some of them 43 series come with a wet clutch (nearly sure they do)
A massive addition and selling point imho

White Clover

tomwaterford wrote: »

Do some of them 43 series come with a wet clutch (nearly sure they do)
A massive addition and selling point imho

Any 42 or 43 power shuttle 24 X 24 has wet clutch

tomwaterford

White Clover wrote: »

Any 42 or 43 power shuttle 24 X 24 has wet clutch

How these don't make Considerably more money/depreciable compared to the 300 series is beyond me

White Clover

tomwaterford wrote: »

How these don't make Considerably more money/depreciable compared to the 300 series is beyond me

It's really only the 390 & 390T that are way over priced. Agreed though that a 4300 is an all round better tractor than a 300 series in nearly every aspect. Just compare the hitches alone !

Farrell

Pardon my ignorance, what's the difference in the 4345 & the 5445? Or is it newer version again?
Personally on the 390 v 4345, the 3 series were a massive step forward from the 2 & 6 series, but sadly allot used the 390 & 390T to do heavier work more suited to the 398 & 399, while the 42 & 43 may not have been abused as much

White Clover

Farrell wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance, what's the difference in the 4345 & the 5445? Or is it newer version again?
Personally on the 390 v 4345, the 3 series were a massive step forward from the 2 & 6 series, but sadly allot used the 390 & 390T to do heavier work more suited to the 398 & 399, while the 42 & 43 may not have been abused as much

5400 series took over from 4300 series. Completely new tractor almost from front to back. Took a couple of years to get them right too though.

tomwaterford

Farrell wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance, what's the difference in the 4345 & the 5445? Or is it newer version again?
Personally on the 390 v 4345, the 3 series were a massive step forward from the 2 & 6 series, but sadly allot used the 390 & 390T to do heavier work more suited to the 398 & 399, while the 42 & 43 may not have been abused as much

I think a lot of the 54 series had powershifts...I'm not sure did the. 42/43s

Though then the the dyna 4s and 6s....not heard of any running into huge hours trouble free (15K +)..(though are afaik relatively cheap parts wise)....though that being said you wouldn't see many masseys going to contractors...seems to be mainly a farmers they concentrate so far...though the 76 series is meant to be v.good and rated higher than john deeres


Though the dyna gearbox is well worth the extra money if your going the route of a 54 series tractor

Farrell

tomwaterford wrote: »

I think a lot of the 54 series had powershifts...I'm not sure did the. 42/43s

Though then the the dyna 4s and 6s....not heard of any running into huge hours trouble free (15K +)..(though are afaik relatively cheap parts wise)....though that being said you wouldn't see many masseys going to contractors...seems to be mainly a farmers they concentrate so far...though the 76 series is meant to be v.good and rated higher than john deeres


Though the dyna gearbox is well worth the extra money if your going the route of a 54 series tractor

1 can only dream.
At times I find it hard to know what series Followed what

White Clover

Farrell wrote: »

1 can only dream.
At times I find it hard to know what series Followed what

Keep your ear to the ground. I bought a very late and rare 4300 series with less than 1000 genuine hours last year for the equivalent of €25000 in the yard

tomwaterford

Farrell wrote: »

1 can only dream.
At times I find it hard to know what series Followed what

Sure if we're in the game of dreaming there's always the 56/66 series :pac:


E80 odd K for a farmers tractor and loader for 100 HP approx.....(I think that's what a neighbour was quoted)

MikeSoys

general advice needed... i would like to replace my mf 565 with a second hand mf 4540(mf seem to have so many series i just liked the look of 4540) - looking to get 2nd hand ..prob 10 yr old with front loader ..say for about less or around 25k...there are so many choices .. in my case its for general use...prob 90hp? we always had a MF... 'if it ent red leave it in the shed..' :-) beef farmer, moving allot of round bales, stock movement, sprayer, fertilizer and transportbox are the main uses..prob would keep it for 20 yrs so maybe one with dyna might be wise? it would be used a couple of times during week and more weekends..any tips advise to ask about if going to a dealer appreciated

White Clover

MikeSoys wrote: »

general advice needed... i would like to replace my mf 565 with a second hand mf 4540(mf seem to have so many series i just liked the look of 4540) - looking to get 2nd hand ..prob 10 yr old with front loader ..say for about less or around 25k...there are so many choices .. in my case its for general use...prob 90hp? we always had a MF... 'if it ent red leave it in the shed..' :-) beef farmer, moving allot of round bales, stock movement, sprayer, fertilizer and transportbox are the main uses..prob would keep it for 20 yrs so maybe one with dyna might be wise? it would be used a couple of times during week and more weekends..any tips advise to ask about if going to a dealer appreciated

Do you mean 5440? There isn't any 4540.

MikeSoys

..it was the 4300 series i meant above..but if the price was right would look at any about Mf 10 year old

PN14

4200 series ran from 97 to 01/02. 4300 series were a very short run they were a slightly updated 4200 series with side mounted exhaust and short throw console mounted gear leaver in the cab. The 4300 series were 02 - 04. The 5400 series were launched in 04. These ran for maybe 8-10 years and replaced by the 5600. So if you are going 10 years max you'd be looking at 5445 for a 90/100hp.

If your on the 25k budget with loader you might get to the early 5400's so around 15years at this stage, but I haven't been really keeping an eye on prices

I might be wrong here but when we bought our MF 4345 about 10 years ago now I did a bit of looking around and at the time MF did a rebadged Valtra A series and I think they were 4440 or something like that