Pub Openings / Refurbs / Closing Thread - Mod Note Post #1

BaZmO*

beertons wrote: »

The steering wheel in Clondalkin is reopening as a Gin/cocktail bar this weekend.

Jaysis, that's some difference. Can't see it lasting tbh.

RasTa

Opens at 4pm today

TheMadBrewer

Interesting that they're using the address 199 King St N (Dublin 7) I wonder if this is so they don't have two pubs on Capel St?

Subcomandante Marcos

TheMadBrewer wrote: »

Interesting that they're using the address 199 King St N (Dublin 7) I wonder if this is so they don't have two pubs on Capel St?

It's because that's the postal address for the property.

Passenger

Beerhouse address was 84 Capel Street.

Subcomandante Marcos

The registered address of the building is Kings Street N.

L1011

Liquor licence is issued to 199 North King Street also.

Having a pizza restaurant is a bit of a return to the start for GBB as pizza was their first business plan and the holding company is still Pizza Eile Ltd

Geuze

Any update on JD Wetherspoon Abbey street?

basskebab

The Dark Horse in Blackrock has been closed for the last few days. Dunno if it's a refurb or what's going on. There's new tables outside so hopefully a refurb. It's been on a downward spiral since Galway Bay gave up the lease. Wonder if it's changed hands again?

HopsAndJumps

basskebab wrote: »

The Dark Horse in Blackrock has been closed for the last few days. Dunno if it's a refurb or what's going on. There's new tables outside so hopefully a refurb. It's been on a downward spiral since Galway Bay gave up the lease. Wonder if it's changed hands again?

I used to give out about the Dark Horse when it was a GBB bar.

I miss it now thats its gone.

basskebab

Me too. Started to go downhill for the last year GBB had it but compared to the tumbleweed bar it turned into..jaysus. You only realise what you have when it's gone!

Dellboy54

The Dark Horse facebook page says it's being refurbed...Preferred the GBB verison too...

basskebab

Dellboy54 wrote: »

The Dark Horse facebook page says it's being refurbed...Preferred the GBB verison too...

Doesn't sound like there'll be any decent changes if it's the same crowd running it. The lounge part is like a ghost town most evenings and that's before I even start on the price and range of the beer they now have.

Come back GBB all is forgiven!

Technocentral

Galway Bays Paddle & Peel just opened where Beerhouse used to be on Capel Steet, only 2 minutes from Black Sheep, weird basicaly be in competition with themselves.

http://www.galwaybaybrewery.com/paddleandpeel/

Subcomandante Marcos

Technocentral wrote: »

Galway Bays Paddle & Peel just opened where Beerhouse used to be on Capel Steet, only 2 minutes from Black Sheep, weird basicaly be in competition with themselves.

http://www.galwaybaybrewery.com/paddleandpeel/

See a few pages back

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The unit is owned by the same people who own The Black Sheep and a few other bars that GBB already lease.
Another craft bar group had agreed to take the lease from the landlord and when GBB found out they used their leverage to get the owners to give it to then instead at the last hour.
GBB are using it as a cookie cutter template to trial for a potential rollout across the UK and Europe.

They basically took it to block potential competition and develop their quasi-franchise plan. It wasn't going cheap.

Technocentral

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Technocentral wrote: »

Galway Bays Paddle & Peel just opened where Beerhouse used to be on Capel Steet, only 2 minutes from Black Sheep, weird basicaly be in competition with themselves.

http://www.galwaybaybrewery.com/paddleandpeel/

See a few pages back

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The unit is owned by the same people who own The Black Sheep and a few other bars that GBB already lease.
Another craft bar group had agreed to take the lease from the landlord and when GBB found out they used their leverage to get the owners to give it to then instead at the last hour.
GBB are using it as a cookie cutter template to trial for a potential rollout across the UK and Europe.

They basically took it to block potential competition and develop their quasi-franchise plan. It wasn't going cheap.

Better than Beerhouse, that place had poor beer choice and a bad atmosphere.

RasTa

What's the pizza like

Technocentral

RasTa wrote: »

What's the pizza like

Haven't tried it, just had a Foam and Fury there yesterday. Its grand but prefer Da Sheep.

DelmarODonnell

Technocentral wrote: »

Better than Beerhouse, that place had poor beer choice and a bad atmosphere.

I always thought they had a good selection. Twas always quiet but I tended to be in there with a group of people, so it always suited us.

I was in Paddle and Peel two weeks ago. It was grand but you wouldn't go out of your way to head in to it. If the Black Sheep is rammed, then probably. The decor in there was definitely screaming gastro pub.

Hotblack Desiato

Happened to see this yesterday:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/key-money-sought-for-donnybrook-pub-leasehold-1.3631927

Estate agent John McNally of McNally Handy is seeking key money of €350,000 for the leasehold interest in a leading bar and restaurant in the centre of Donnybrook village in Dublin 4.

O’Connell’s bar and restaurant, which fronts on to Belmont Avenue and Morehampton Road, formerly traded as Madigan’s bar until it was leased to O’Connell’s in 2010. The business has a full seven-day bar licence, a restaurant certificate along with a music and singing licence. The ground floor has seating capacity for 120 and a private diningroom on the first floor can accommodate a further 80 people.

I looked up 'music and singing licence' and it appears to be to allow theatres to sell alcohol, presumably without a pub licence. So why would a pub have one?

Dellboy54

That could be a good investment seeing as Kiely's pub up the road from it has finally closed.

L1011

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I looked up 'music and singing licence' and it appears to be to allow theatres to sell alcohol, presumably without a pub licence. So why would a pub have one?

Theatres are allowed sell alcohol by their theatre licence; music and singing licences are different and any late bar would have them.

Dellboy54 wrote: »

That could be a good investment seeing as Kiely's pub up the road from it has finally closed.

Is it also closed? I had heard McCloskeys closed so that's 2 of the 4 along there.

Dellboy54

Yeah. The last few times I've passed it's all shut up and google has it down as "Permanently closed".

L1011

Can't see neither redevelopment having a pub in it; but it is possible.

350k key money *and* more than 2k a week rent is insanity money for a pub, again. We got way above that for big premises in the boom but it's still no more sustainable now.

L1011

Bridge Inn in Chapelizod reopening tonight

Subcomandante Marcos

L1011 wrote: »

Bridge Inn in Chapelizod reopening tonight

Reopened last night. There's a connection to Carrig Brewing and Union 8 in Kilmainham so should have a few crafty taps on.

L1011

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Reopened last night. There's a connection to Carrig Brewing and Union 8 in Kilmainham so should have a few crafty taps on.

I was misinformed by Twitter, the horrors!

In now, 4x Carrig and one Yellowbelly out of 10 or 12 taps

Hotblack Desiato

L1011 wrote: »

Theatres are allowed sell alcohol by their theatre licence; music and singing licences are different and any late bar would have them.

OK, it just sounds very strange (even by the standards of our very strange and archaic licensing laws.)

If a pub in Ballybegorrah is having a trad session, presumably they don't need a music and singing licence, or do they?

Is it illegal to allow card or board games in an Irish pub, or fruit machines etc? (not that I'm in any way a fan of the latter, but they're common enough in the UK.)

If a special licence is needed for late drinking, can't they just call it a late licence and be done with it (if we were a rationally governed country, we'd have 24 hour drinking, with each publican allowed to set their own hours subject only to avoiding public nuisance.)

L1011

Our licencing laws have a major core from 1902 and elements from before. They are not fit for purpose. Any pub with music and/or singing is meant to have the licence and it is more of a formality now. They aren't part of the late licence

Late licences are Special Exemption Orders so they do have a (convoluted) name, early house is General Exemption Order

Hotblack Desiato

500 quid a year wouldn't be a formality to me, but then again I'm not a publican