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A guy in Cork lost €1,700 to a very sneaky car scam on Done Deal
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The illusion of seeming official in some regard ? Prolly a Dennis O Brien vest.
You are most likely correct, if this guy is a professional act he will know this little bit of social engineering. Visual cues that are normally associated with officiality, authority or profession subconsciously create a sense of safety in people, while also putting them into a more compliant mental state.
It's one of the points driven home in safety/prevention training, such as that for fire wardens. Walk in a room full of people wearing a pair of jeans and a shirt, say "everyone please, calmly make your way out using the fire exit!" and everyone will ignore you, keep chatting and so on. Put a vest on, do the same and you get everyone's undivided attention, and you could almost literally make them jump through fire (not a good idea, btw
).Personally for this kind of transaction i always advise to meet across the Garda station.
Never ever at your house. As for the payment. Bank draft. As for time, well, during daytime of course.
This is a big one; I often see "car selling advice" that recommends meeting potential buyers at home - do not do it.
Cars are by no means rocket science, yet they are relatively complex machinery and most people can't make heads or tails of them. They turn the key and go.
Things can - and do - go wrong, and people also do not understand that. Sell a car in perfect condition, new owner drives it daily on a really bad road at speed, and a month later a ball joint gives up; You don't want them banging on your door because, in their mind, you sold them a "faulty" car. I heard plenty of these horror stories, so public place is the way to go.Just common sense really.
And saying that again but transfer of ownership of a car should be done at garda station or revenue office really. Car could be stolen or else. Would avoid a lot of crimes being committed and would save Garda a lot of hassle and facebook posts.
Watch out what you wish for - in theory, it's a good idea. In practice, it can become even less efficient and/or slower than the post system - being restricted to conduct the transactions at specific, limiting times and so on.
Also, if things go pear shaped in the long run, there's the potential to make it another money pit - "pay XX Euro for change of ownership". In Italy, to give an extreme case, up until a few years ago you needed no less than a sworn Notary to sign the change of ownership. Price of the operation? No less than 500 Euro...0 -
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It was at the "sellers" house, a well known houseToyotafanboi wrote: »It has to be a random car in a car park. If the seller just locked the car and ran away with the cash, they would eventually return for their car so surely all you would have to do is wait?
Certain Irish minority groups have a penchant for wearing high vis vestsfrozenfrozen wrote: »why did he have a hivis vest on?
Cops wont do anything for fear of the buyer getting harmed, most wont give evidence when they hear whats involved, the local police know exactly who these people are and where they live hell i can point it out to you myself and im not even living in the countyCops won't do anything, they handed him the money. Opposite happened someone I know, gave keys for test drive and car disappeared, cops or insurance didn't care as the keys where handed over without coercion. Aren't are laws great, if you've got enough scumbag in you you can steal without breaking the any laws.
daveville30 wrote: »this is happening a lot same fellas doing it.type ashbourne car scam into google.
It sure is, i really thought the Gardai would have done something about it at this stage, but local stations are ridiculously under manned and these guys know that.0 -
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projectgtr wrote: »It was at the "sellers" house, a well known house
Certain Irish minority groups have a penchant for wearing high vis vests
Cops wont do anything for fear of the buyer getting harmed, most wont give evidence when they hear whats involved, the local police know exactly who these people are and where they live hell i can point it out to you myself and im not even living in the county
It sure is, i really thought the Gardai would have done something about it at this stage, but local stations are ridiculously under manned and these guys know that.
Cops will certainly never do anything where there is a chance of them getting harmed. We must have the only police force that is scared of the criminals.
I was driving from Limerick back to Ennis on the motorway one evening when I saw 2 figures dressed in black clothes on an overpass aiming some kind of device down the motorway at oncoming cars. The device had a red LED on it. Looked vaguely like a gun, but could have been anything.
In front of me was a Garda car, so after the bridge I flashed them down, we stopped on the hard should and I walked up to the window to tell them what I've seen.
Inside were 2 female Gardai, they were quite young. They looked terrified of me, nevermind suspicious persons on the bridge. If a violent criminal came after me, I would have to look after myself, because I wouldn't have a lot of faith in the Gardai's ability to protect me from them.0 -
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H3llR4iser wrote: »You are most likely correct, if this guy is a professional act he will know this little bit of social engineering. Visual cues that are normally associated with officiality, authority or profession subconsciously create a sense of safety in people, while also putting them into a more compliant mental state.
It's one of the points driven home in safety/prevention training, such as that for fire wardens. Walk in a room full of people wearing a pair of jeans and a shirt, say "everyone please, calmly make your way out using the fire exit!" and everyone will ignore you, keep chatting and so on. Put a vest on, do the same and you get everyone's undivided attention, and you could almost literally make them jump through fire (not a good idea, btw).
This is a big one; I often see "car selling advice" that recommends meeting potential buyers at home - do not do it.
Cars are by no means rocket science, yet they are relatively complex machinery and most people can't make heads or tails of them. They turn the key and go.
Things can - and do - go wrong, and people also do not understand that. Sell a car in perfect condition, new owner drives it daily on a really bad road at speed, and a month later a ball joint gives up; You don't want them banging on your door because, in their mind, you sold them a "faulty" car. I heard plenty of these horror stories, so public place is the way to go.
Watch out what you wish for - in theory, it's a good idea. In practice, it can become even less efficient and/or slower than the post system - being restricted to conduct the transactions at specific, limiting times and so on.
Also, if things go pear shaped in the long run, there's the potential to make it another money pit - "pay XX Euro for change of ownership". In Italy, to give an extreme case, up until a few years ago you needed no less than a sworn Notary to sign the change of ownership. Price of the operation? No less than 500 Euro...
I too have read the Art of Deception :-) .. The social engineering bend is definitely in use here and i can see how people let down the guard in this situation.0 -
As a buyer though, everyone on here recommends that you meet the person at their house. I've bought cars before at people's house, gives added peace of mind that they're not a scam artist.
I know with any ED BMW petrol, you absolutely must meet them at their house in the morning before they've started the car, otherwise you're asking for trouble.
This WAS at the sellers house, they do live there.
Im not surprised by that at all, could only imagine what two new female gardai fresh out of templemore were going to do to two armed guys, they arent equipped to deal with that, on so many levels, surprised they didnt ask you for helpdr.fuzzenstein wrote: »Cops will certainly never do anything where there is a chance of them getting harmed. We must have the only police force that is scared of the criminals.
I was driving from Limerick back to Ennis on the motorway one evening when I saw 2 figures dressed in black clothes on an overpass aiming some kind of device down the motorway at oncoming cars. The device had a red LED on it. Looked vaguely like a gun, but could have been anything.
In front of me was a Garda car, so after the bridge I flashed them down, we stopped on the hard should and I walked up to the window to tell them what I've seen.
Inside were 2 female Gardai, they were quite young. They looked terrified of me, nevermind suspicious persons on the bridge. If a violent criminal came after me, I would have to look after myself, because I wouldn't have a lot of faith in the Gardai's ability to protect me from them.
Thats the house allrightThis is the chap we met last year at this same house, he had a clio. Apparently taxed, tested and new tyres, we arrived to a **** bucket bald tyres and no discs in the window. When we asked to see these discs he said he would need to see the cash first and let his mother check it out as they had been scammed before and it was her car. Immediately alarm bells went off and we got in the car and left.
the yard had a large electric sliding gate and I had a funny feeling going in so left my car across the gate so we didn't get trapped in. Looks like our instincts were right so!
theres cameras all over the entrance , if the guards havent done anything at this stage then they never will , this is going on years and the gardai know exactly who they are, best to simply avoid the area and inform people, my niece nearly bought from them last month, thankfully she ask if i could go look at it, as soon as i seen the house i just kept driving and went home, long journey wasted but thank f**k i was there.Well if its the same place then its steakout time with ip cam on battery and 4g device buried in bushes !!!! ****er has to come back.
i can guarantee they have never read that book.I too have read the Art of Deception :-) .. The social engineering bend is definitely in use here and i can see how people let down the guard in this situation.0 -
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