Is "Dublin" a real place?

johnnyskeleton

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

I am not saying that God must exist. I am saying that claiming that God exists is not an extraordinary claim because it does not go against anything we know AND the fact that we can't know. I am saying this as a response to the statement made by someone who was obviously intoxicated at the time which goes "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

Even if, and I disagree with you here, claiming a supernatural being created the world is not an extraordinary claim because we dont have any evidence to prove or disprove it, then surely claiming that the specific Christian God created the world IS an extraordinary claim because we have many other competing claims about how the world was made, evidence that the creation myth was taken from earlier myths, rock formations and fossils that predate the Christian age of the world, evidence that the first plaants and animals existed far more than for a single day before humans arrived etc etc?

So the world made by an unknown force, possibly supernatural, is not an extraordinary claim. Claiming that the world was made by God in a week and you know him, he's a great auld chap, is an extraordinary claim.

endacl

The universe was created by Bob the Builder.

The Bob of the gaps. Why not....

endacl

endacl wrote: »

The universe was created by Bob the Builder.

The Bob of the gaps. Why not....

But.... can he fix it?

endacl

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But.... can he fix it?

Yes he can.

endacl

endacl wrote: »

Yes he can.

https://youtu.be/CZnYzD-LnSU
That's my cat on decks.

Captain Flaps

Thargor wrote: »

Why are you arguing this? By your logic claiming the universe was created by a gigantic version of Jimmy Saville is not an extraordinary claim.

Given the propensity of the Catholic church to cover up abuse scandals, that doesn't sound like too extraordinary of a claim at all.

kylith

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

I dont have a dog nor home broadband and they cant prove that ive ever killed someone. At least, not beyond reasonable doubt.

No dog!? You're no true atheist then!

endacl wrote: »

Yes he can.

But only if you accept him as your lord and builder.

endacl

kylith wrote: »

But only if you accept him as your lord and builder.

Ok. I'm there. What now?

Notavirus.exe

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Even if, and I disagree with you here, claiming a supernatural being created the world is not an extraordinary claim because we dont have any evidence to prove or disprove it, then surely claiming that the specific Christian God created the world IS an extraordinary claim because we have many other competing claims about how the world was made, evidence that the creation myth was taken from earlier myths, rock formations and fossils that predate the Christian age of the world, evidence that the first plaants and animals existed far more than for a single day before humans arrived etc etc?

So the world made by an unknown force, possibly supernatural, is not an extraordinary claim. Claiming that the world was made by God in a week and you know him, he's a great auld chap, is an extraordinary claim.

Nobody said "Christian God". Throughout my whole posts I have been referring to "God", nothing else. I don't know what you mean by Christian God anyway. My belief is that someone is responsible for everything and I have no idea what a Christian God is.

Mark Tapley

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Nobody said "Christian God". Throughout my whole posts I have been referring to "God", nothing else. I don't know what you mean by Christian God anyway. My belief is that someone is responsible for everything and I have no idea what a Christian God is.

Call the fire brigade , your pants are on fire.

Timberrrrrrrr

Mark Tapley wrote: »

Call the fire brigade , your pants are on fire.

Fireman Sam?

kylith

Can we introduce a rule whereby any theists have to give a full, thorough, account of what they're on about when they say 'god'? Between all the various world religions and their multitude of flavours, and the new habit of saying 'oh but when I say 'god' I mean the universe/some nebulous being that created everything but isn't defined by any religion/my cat' it's very difficult to actually know what we're discussing.

Notavirus.exe

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Not to go off topic (mar dhea), but Hitler didnt order the Holocaust. Heydrich ordered it. You can see for yourself in the Wansee Conference House, Wansee, Berlin. Or trust the wikipedia article:

Ok, replace Hitler with "Heydrich" in my posts. You know what I meant. :pac:

Delirium

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Nobody said "Christian God". Throughout my whole posts I have been referring to "God", nothing else. I don't know what you mean by Christian God anyway. My belief is that someone is responsible for everything and I have no idea what a Christian God is.

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

In response to all those who say "Why does God allow blah blah blah to happen to people?", I have the following to say:

I believe that life is just God giving us a taste of both pain and enjoyment, as well as being a test.

God wants us all to be saved and to live with him in his wonderful world called "Heaven".

God is a loving being. He wants us to be part of his family, but he doesn't want serial killers or thieves (i.e. sinners) in his home.

If life was perfect without disease or death or suffering then people would be too attached to false idols to want to know God.

I don't know why I'm here. Maybe we've all met God before. Maybe he has wiped our memories and put us here to test us.

I would like to ask certain people here, why does the idea of a being such as God seem ridiculous?

I find it quite difficult to believe that someone can be truly "atheist".

Very Christian language to use considering you didn't mean to refer to Christianity.

Notavirus.exe

Delirium wrote: »

Very Christian language to use considering you didn't mean to refer to Christianity.

Christian language?

Delirium

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Christian language?

Christian language: words/phrases pertaining to Christianity, Jesus, God etc.

robindch

^^^ Thanks for clearing up that tricky question there, Delirium.

johnnyskeleton

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Nobody said "Christian God". Throughout my whole posts I have been referring to "God", nothing else. I don't know what you mean by Christian God anyway. My belief is that someone is responsible for everything and I have no idea what a Christian God is.

Notavirus.exe wrote:

I respect that you don't believe in God but I don't understand how you can cope with life believing that when you die, that's it.

I find it difficult to square these two assertions. In your OP you refer to God, not a god, and you refer to an afterlife. Now youre going on about the theoretical possibility that an unknown divine agency created the world. So either you believe in a specific set of religious beliefs which includes an afterlife (doesnt have to be Christian, I suppose) or you simply think its possible the world was created by a divine force. You cant ride two horses in this race.

johnnyskeleton

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Ok, replace Hitler with "Heydrich" in my posts. You know what I meant. :pac:

Thats precisely my point. You were adamant that it was Hitler/God, then when you didnt like how the argument was going it became Heydrich/a god. What you meant was that some facts are so well entrenched that people are reluctant to sway from that view. What I meant is that very often accepted wisdom or common sense are wrong, albeit that they require information that a lot of people arent aware of.

robindch

kylith wrote: »

Can we introduce a rule whereby any theists have to give a full, thorough, account of what they're on about when they say 'god'?

In theory it's a good idea to ask people to say what they mean. Not going to work with religious thinking though.

kylith wrote: »

[...] it's very difficult to actually know what we're discussing.

That's the point really - by using nebulous words, people can avoid being tied down to any particular fixed meaning - either because they've no very good idea of how to map what they think to what they say, or because they want to avoid saying something that they can be picked up upon.

Deepak Chopra is a wonderful example of this kind of meaningless woo - you could listen to him for hours and not have the slightest idea what he actually means.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09UmufmfSLc

Lord Riverside

Watching the hateful mob's enjoyment feeding off and bullying this guy has been quite educational. Not in the way they think though.

Michael OBrien

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Nobody said "Christian God". Throughout my whole posts I have been referring to "God", nothing else. I don't know what you mean by Christian God anyway. My belief is that someone is responsible for everything and I have no idea what a Christian God is.

You posted in the Christian forum saying you are a Christian, with a caveat of being at least a theist.
You also use God not god. 'God' is traditionally referring to the Christian god. It would be like some, who posts both in the Islamic forum and here, talking about Allah and then saying they never claimed it was the Islamic god, just another sort of Allah (which means Highest or Greatest God).

endacl

Lord Riverside wrote: »

Watching the hateful mob's enjoyment feeding off and bullying this guy has been quite educational. Not in the way they think though.

How was it hateful? It was simply pointing out evasions and inconsistencies. The same thing happens in the politics and economics forums. Is that hateful too?

Mark Tapley

Lord Riverside wrote: »

Watching the hateful mob's enjoyment feeding off and bullying this guy has been quite educational. Not in the way they think though.

Have you reported posts? Would you like to make specific allegations? Why do you think the OP is incapable of speaking for themselves?

robindch

Lord Riverside wrote: »

Watching the hateful mob's enjoyment feeding off and bullying this guy has been quite educational. Not in the way they think though.

Which mob and which guy?

Your invective might achieve more if it were possible to establish where it's aimed at.

Notavirus.exe

robindch wrote: »

Which mob and which guy?

Your invective might achieve more if it were possible to establish where it's aimed at.

I think I'm the guy and you all are the mob.

Wait a minute... :eek: You bastards!

endacl

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

I think I'm the guy and you all are the mob.

Wait a minute... :eek: You bastards!

Reported for personal abuse. Stop bullying us! :mad:

looksee

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

I think I'm the guy and you all are the mob.

Wait a minute... :eek: You bastards!

Well its certainly been good value.

Shrap

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

I think I'm the guy and you all are the mob.

Wait a minute... :eek: You bastards!

endacl wrote: »

Reported for personal abuse. Stop bullying us! :mad:

looksee wrote: »

Well its certainly been good value.

Lads, we're not great at being a mob are we? How embarrassing. We're after falling down at the first commandment of mob behaviour (thou shalt not make friends with your victims...).

Bloody atheists. Never could toe the line, eh?

Cabaal

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Nobody said "Christian God". Throughout my whole posts I have been referring to "God", nothing else. I don't know what you mean by Christian God anyway. My belief is that someone is responsible for everything and I have no idea what a Christian God is.

Christian God is the god Christians believe in,

Unless you believe the god that created all was thor?