Apple Pay in Ireland already?

Fingleberries

I was in a SuperValu in North County Dublin that has new self-service kiosks and noticed that the payment terminals all had the Apple Pay logo on them.

Is this the start of a soft rollout in Ireland, after it already launched in the UK last month, or is it officially coming here?

Creamy Goodness

The terminals that can accept contactless can accept Apple Pay anyways. My guess this was just a software update pushed by the terminal manufacturers to display the Apple Pay logos.

To use Apple Pay you need to go into Passbook and have Apple enable it for Irish users. Once there you scan your credit/debit card (or use the one you have on file on iTunes) and then Apple does a check with your issuer to see you're allowed have Apple Pay. If you change your region to US or UK you'll get this option, but card verification will fail unless you have a participating bank. Ulster Bank do, but only for cards issued in Northern Ireland.

Until that last step becomes enabled by Apple for iPhone's set to the Irish region, then no Irish card issuers can do Apple Pay. Inversely if you have an American/UK card that is Apple Pay enabled you can pay for stuff in Ireland.

It's great paying with the Apple Watch, it's like magic and the cashiers face lights up every time.

The first thing you'll hear of Ireland having Apple Pay is when Apple announce it, banks generally will have very little information, well customer facing representatives of banks will have little to no information (or full of hear say) right up until Apple announce it.

You may have to rewrite bits of your article

Fingleberries

Great to know. Thanks for clearing that up - I had gotten used to the terminals in the US, but did a double take when I saw it here.

It's great to live in the future, eh?

naasrd

Fingleberries wrote: »

I was in a SuperValu in North County Dublin that has new self-service kiosks and noticed that the payment terminals all had the Apple Pay logo on them.

Is this the start of a soft rollout in Ireland, after it already launched in the UK last month, or is it officially coming here?

Interesting the Ulster Bank have updated their app to the watch. Wonder if they're anticipating anything soon...?

Creamy Goodness

naasrd wrote: »

Interesting the Ulster Bank have updated their app to the watch. Wonder if they're anticipating anything soon...?

Doubt it, Apple Pay is completely separate than having a Watch app.

Davexirl

Ulster Bank up the North have Apple Pay, down here we could be left waiting.

The Ayatolla

Is there a transaction limit on Apple Pay?

Can you use it an infinite number of times without ever having to take out your card?

whiterebel

KFC have the sign for it on their terminals, I saw it today at the one at Charlestown(?) in Finglas.

Creamy Goodness

The Ayatolla wrote: »

Is there a transaction limit on Apple Pay?

Can you use it an infinite number of times without ever having to take out your card?

There's no limit in the U.S., in the U.K. It's £20 (which is the current limit of contact less cards). I'd imagine it'll be €15 when it comes here

with regard to the infinite transactions without having to use your card, that seems like a silly limit that PermanentTSB have imposed so it'll probably be up to them.

The Ayatolla

You'd think with the finger print authentication that it should allow larger transactions.

I thought Apple Pay was more like Paypal with NFC rather than functioning like an actual contactless VISA card.

AIB and BOI aso have a random "pin-check" like PTSB but not sure if it's every 4th go like Perm TSB have.

Zcott

It's up to the contactless software manufacturers to enable higher limits, I believe.

The Ayatolla

Just found this. A lot more realistic. It'll be up to the retailers rather than the banks.

What’s the transaction limit?
While normal contactless payments have a transaction limit of £20 (rising to £30 in September 2015), Apple Pay shouldn’t have any limits, as the transactions are more secure and have to be authenticated.

“There is no transaction limit,” Visa explained to us. “This is because the authentication acts similarly to PIN.”

However, the reality is that contactless terminals are set to allow a maximum transaction of £20. For higher limits to apply, it will require retailers to support Apple Pay and increase the amount that can be spent. That means that most people will encounter a £20 cap at launch although some stores will increase the limit after launch: Pret is already offering unlimited transactions.

FourFourRED

Interestingly, the Irish App Store highlighted Apple Pay on the featured tab when it launched in the UK. Very likely just a mistake but still.

Richard

FourFourFM wrote: »

Interestingly, the Irish App Store highlighted Apple Pay on the featured tab when it launched in the UK. Very likely just a mistake but still.

Sounds like a mistake. Any Apple Pay signage currently in the republic is probably down to retailers based in the UK erroneously sending out signage to Irish branches.

tonylee

Saw Apple Pay sign up on Marks and Spencer pay terminal in Jervis Center today, and saw a guy use his iPhone to pay for his purchases. I know Ulster Bank recently updated their app to include it so it must be active if you are an Ulster Bank customer? Hope it won't be long until its officially launched and the other banks here include it.

Zcott

tonylee wrote: »

Saw Apple Pay sign up on Marks and Spencer pay terminal in Jervis Center today, and saw a guy use his iPhone to pay for his purchases. I know Ulster Bank recently updated their app to include it so it must be active if you are an Ulster Bank customer? Hope it won't be long until its officially launched and the other banks here include it.

Maybe it was a northern card? Ulster Bank in the north offer Apple Pay.

tonylee

yes, it probably was a UK card. Still, interesting to see Apple Pay in operation here. And the fact that it is prominently displayed on M&S pay terminals. Can't be long now?

The Ayatolla

Realistically I'm not sure why the banks have such a say in it being rolled out here.

It functions exactly like Paypal, you add your card to your Apple account and buy things with it. The terminals have NFC and allow you to use Apple pay, so I don't see where the banks need to be involved? You're not using your card as such, you're using a virtual account, like Skrill or Paypal?

jaymcg91

The Ayatolla wrote: »

Realistically I'm not sure why the banks have such a say in it being rolled out here.

It functions exactly like Paypal, you add your card to your Apple account and buy things with it. The terminals have NFC and allow you to use Apple pay, so I don't see where the banks need to be involved? You're not using your card as such, you're using a virtual account, like Skrill or Paypal?

False. Apple want a fee for each transaction from the bank.

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/apple-pay-to-generate-fees-from-banks-not-merchants-report-says/

challengemaster

It's a bit ridiculous that almost a year after launch it hasn't been rolled out in Ireland.

Richard

challengemaster wrote: »

It's a bit ridiculous that almost a year after launch it hasn't been rolled out in Ireland.

The US and UK are the only two countries in the world which support it. I suspect Ireland will be a lower priority than other countries with larger populations.

FourFourRED

challengemaster wrote: »

It's a bit ridiculous that almost a year after launch it hasn't been rolled out in Ireland.

Not really. In fact it would be ridiculous if Ireland was the third country in the world where it was rolled out.

shanec1928

Card machines in boots were displaying the Apple Pay logo.

kaerobe

shanec1928 wrote: »

Card machines in boots were displaying the Apple Pay logo.

Saw it today in Boots Cork and in McD's in Cashel. Interesting

Zhane

Maybe more roll out dates will be announced on the 9th? Its entirely possible.

retweet

Hopefully we'll see something soon. Maybe Apple Pay is appearing because the machines are just linked to their UK counterparts?

Creamy Goodness

retweet wrote: »

Hopefully we'll see something soon. Maybe Apple Pay is appearing because the machines are just linked to their UK counterparts?

This is exactly it. Also it's the card machine manufacturers that are updating their terminals.

Tom Dunne

retweet wrote: »

Maybe Apple Pay is appearing because the machines are just linked to their UK counterparts?

I'd say this is it.

It would be interesting to see if any Irish owned retailers (SuperValu, Dunnes?) have the logo on their terminals.

Creamy Goodness

Tom Dunne wrote: »

I'd say this is it.

It would be interesting to see if any Irish owned retailers (SuperValu, Dunnes?) have the logo on their terminals.

The op mentioned that he/she spotted one in a supervalu.

I'd say it's a mix of British chains pushing updates that Ireland just take and the card machine manufacturers doing the same.

Bummer1234

Have ulster bank ever released contactless payment cards in the south? I know they have in the north but theirs nothing on my southern debit card. Ulster bank ireland seem to be very far behind in this technology that i find we could be waiting awhile for apple pay Hope im wrong.

Creamy Goodness

Bummer1234 wrote: »

Have ulster bank ever released contactless payment cards in the south? I know they have in the north but theirs nothing on my southern debit card. Ulster bank ireland seem to be very far behind in this technology that i find we could be waiting awhile for apple pay Hope im wrong.

yes they have, on credit cards only though.

Bummer1234

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

yes they have, on credit cards only though.

So were hoping when they do release it in the south that that the include credit and debit accounts,Not just keeping it to credit card accounts.

Creamy Goodness

who knows only ulster bank will know that and even then anyone in ulster bank that you can talk to won't know until apple pay is announced/released for Ireland.

Boutye?

I've been using Apple Pay in the south for the past couple of months. I have a uk Halifax card linked to it but it does work down here.

murpho999

Boutye? wrote: »

I've been using Apple Pay in the south for the past couple of months. I have a uk Halifax card linked to it but it does work down here.

In the south, as in Cork or Kerry? Strange that it can't be done in the rest of the country.

shanec1928

murpho999 wrote: »

In the south, as in Cork or Kerry? Strange that it can't be done in the rest of the country.

Ireland he means;) Have halifax not only being supporting apple pay for the last two weeks.

The Ayatolla

Apple Pay will work on most if not all NFC enabled card machines so if you have an eligible bank you're sorted.

Grab All Association

Bummer1234 wrote: »

Have ulster bank ever released contactless payment cards in the south? I know they have in the north but theirs nothing on my southern debit card. Ulster bank ireland seem to be very far behind in this technology that i find we could be waiting awhile for apple pay Hope im wrong.

The majority of their ATM machine displays are still monochrome in 2015
Very far behind

Boutye?

murpho999 wrote: »

In the south, as in Cork or Kerry? Strange that it can't be done in the rest of the country.

The south as in the republic. Specifically, Dublin. But it works anywhere in the country as long as you have a uk card linked to the Apple Pay account. Irish banks haven't signed up yet.

Bummer1234

Grab All Association wrote: »

The majority of their ATM machine displays are still monochrome in 2015
Very far behind

Thats correct, A few of there banks still use the monochrome machines, But to our advantage, The app is one off the best banking apps around(Speaking to friends on other banks) so hope this continues onto apple pay.

Zcott

Tim Cook was in Dublin today and apparently promised that Ireland will be getting Apple Pay.

http://9to5mac.com/2015/11/11/apple-ireland-jobs-taxes/

ShooterMcGavin

CEO Tim Cook, who is in Dublin today, said that “Apple is proud to call Ireland home.” He also promised that Apple Pay would be coming to Ireland, which is a separate country to the UK.

...just in case you forgot or, probably like most in the US just didn't know.

Thankfully the internet brings the author, Mr. Ben Lovejoy (@benlovejoy), to task in the comments section.

Sad Professor

I know we're are a bit sensitive about that over here, but it's not unusual to encounter people broad who are unclear about exactly what comprises the UK. Hell, even Irish people in my experience aren't too sure. They know we aren't part of the UK but that's about it.

The Ayatolla

Whatever about that 9to5mac writer's primary school geography lesson, hopefully we see it in the next 12 months along with less restricted limits at pay-point terminals.

Creamy Goodness

The Ayatolla wrote: »

Whatever about that 9to5mac writer's primary school geography lesson, hopefully we see it in the next 12 months along with less restricted limits at pay-point terminals.

The limit for contactless payments was increased in the last budget. It's up to €30. Not sure when it comes in though.

The Ayatolla

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

The limit for contactless payments was increased in the last budget. It's up to €30. Not sure when it comes in though.

Start of November. It's in.

But it's up to the terminal's software to allow higher payments for Apple Pay if it wants to.

sharkman

Just noticed that Woodies DIY are accepting Apple pay .

Niamhf

Does Apple Pay appear in wallet despite not being launched here? I have an iPhone 5S and know that it isn't compatible with Apple Pay, but also have an Apple Watch and it should be compatible with Apple Pay and 5S.

awec

Niamhf wrote: »

Does Apple Pay appear in wallet despite not being launched here? I have an iPhone 5S and know that it isn't compatible with Apple Pay, but also have an Apple Watch and it should be compatible with Apple Pay and 5S.

No.

FourFourRED

Niamhf wrote: »

Does Apple Pay appear in wallet despite not being launched here? I have an iPhone 5S and know that it isn't compatible with Apple Pay, but also have an Apple Watch and it should be compatible with Apple Pay and 5S.

Yes it will appear in your wallet app and in settings if you change the following to UK:

Settings > general > language & region > region

naasrd

Niamhf wrote: »

Does Apple Pay appear in wallet despite not being launched here? I have an iPhone 5S and know that it isn't compatible with Apple Pay, but also have an Apple Watch and it should be compatible with Apple Pay and 5S.

You'll need a UK address to fully install it in the wallet.