Recruits TV show

kieranfitz

Anyone got any info on this new show coming up on rte?

mystic

This programme will be shown over two nights on RTE1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQYaYelQTeQ

Señor Fancy Pants

Hoping this will be good craic tonight.

It wasn't me!

Likewise.

mrsoundie

Or a complete flop.

Bunch of misfits, half of them can barely speak English. If this is the top 40 that applied it's probably best we only do peace keeping haha

flahers

Absolutely dreadful, would hate to see them at war and the foul mouthed superiors leave a lot to be desired

pjmn

Darian Melodic Beggar wrote: »

Bunch of misfits, half of them can barely speak English. If this is the top 40 that applied it's probably best we only do peace keeping haha

... and the NCO's are complete lowlifes - probably wouldn't survive in normal society - what a waste of money paying this lot to do this....

delahuntv

Eff eff eff eff eff.

Is that the total of vocabulary of defence forces.

I'd have zero respect for anyone that has to use foul language in every sentence.

Embarrassingly bad.

Samsgirl

flahers wrote: »

Absolutely dreadful, would hate to see them at war and the foul mouthed superiors leave a lot to be desired

Totally agree with you. Nothing short of bullying.

JONJO THE MISER

Ouch i got a thistle in my hand:D

notuslimited

i can forgive the NCOs for bad language....but the Lieut, not good.

Hitchens

some shrinking violets on here :rolleyes:

Señor Fancy Pants

pjmn wrote: »

... and the NCO's are complete lowlifes - probably wouldn't survive in normal society - what a waste of money paying this lot to do this....

Complete lowlifes? What do you know about each of them?

The Black Oil

I would have thought the language is used to reinforce points when the recruits need to cop on. Do people think it's different in any other army?

Horse84

Can't believe I'm agreeing with the above about the language but I am. The nco's fair enough it's not the ****in boyscouts but the officer surely has to be above that especially to recruits. Not overly impressed with that intake of raw material. If that many apply there should be a better standard I'd be questioning the army's recruitment process and I mean that sincerely.
One other thing as well that's probably not PC to comment on but I noticed it. When one of the female recruits decided it wasn't for her the officer all but paid her to reconsider, a male recruit does the same and it was a case of there's the door.
I am a huge advocate of the DF but I feel they may have made a mistake in putting this on TV. I don't think too many people will be that impressed with what they saw at all. That's all just my opinion.

Señor Fancy Pants

Samsgirl wrote: »

Totally agree with you. Nothing short of bullying.

Using less than desirable language does not equate to bullying. It is part of everyday life, in all walks of life. It is incorporated into our daily dialect and colloquialisms. It's no different in the military and nothing that the Recruit has not heard or used before.

Being shouted at is part of conditioning a Recruit to react to an order at a high volume, which is needed across a range of situations in the military. It is essential for Command & Control and the operational environment.

Soft voices and "correct" or "PC" language do not effectively get the point across in all situations.

wandatowell

Recruits in the army are trained for working in war zones and /or areas of conflict and people are sayings there's to much swearing???


Hells bells ye must live in a lovely little bubble.

Señor Fancy Pants

Horse84 wrote: »

Can't believe I'm agreeing with the above about the language but I am. The nco's fair enough it's not the ****in boyscouts but the officer surely has to be above that especially to recruits. Not overly impressed with that intake of raw material. If that many apply there should be a better standard I'd be questioning the army's recruitment process and I mean that sincerely.
One other thing as well that's probably not PC to comment on but I noticed it. When one of the female recruits decided it wasn't for her the officer all but paid her to reconsider, a male recruit does the same and it was a case of there's the door.
I am a huge advocate of the DF but I feel they may have made a mistake in putting this on TV. I don't think too many people will be that impressed with what they saw at all. That's all just my opinion.

I agree about the Officers language, he should leave the dirty work to the NCO's.

I disagree about his comments between the male and female Recruit. Roughly the same things would have been said to both, not all may have been captured on camera.

This could have been done a lot better. Squeezing 17 weeks of footage into 2 hours of TV is not a great idea. There's a shed load of things missing and a lot of if is skipped through.

People who are not familiar with this type of thing are not getting a full appreciation of Recruit Training, military life or the Defence Forces as s whole.

It would have been better following an Infantry Platoon instead of a Cavalry led Troop.....imho.

Samsgirl

Señor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Using less than desirable language does not equate to bullying. It is part of everyday life, in all walks of life. It is incorporated into our daily dialect and colloquialisms. It's no different in the military and nothing that the Recruit has not heard or used before.

Being shouted at is part of conditioning a Recruit to react to an order at a high volume, which is needed across a range of situations in the military. It is essential for Command & Control and the operational environment.

Soft voices and "correct" or "PC" language do not effectively get the point across in all situations.

In my everyday life no manager / boss has ever threatened to 'fcuking kill' me over anything. No need whatsoever for that.
Also pushing people beyond their capabilities resulting in one guy spending days in hospital. That kind of 'training' got two recruits killed in Wales last summer.

Hitchens

Señor Fancy Pants wrote: »

It would have been better following an Infantry Platoon instead of a Cavalry led Troop.....imho.

I think all recruit training is standardised

DK man

Im glad the state takes the cash in transit business so seriously

Horse84

Señor Fancy Pants wrote: »

I agree about the Officers language, he should leave the dirty work to the NCO's.

I disagree about his comments between the male and female Recruit. Roughly the same things would have been said to both, not all may have been captured on camera.

This could have been done a lot better. Squeezing 17 weeks of footage into 2 hours of TV is not a great idea. There's a shed load of things missing and a lot of if is skipped through.

People who are not familiar with this type of thing are not getting a full appreciation of Recruit Training, military life or the Defence Forces as s whole.

It would have been better following an Infantry Platoon instead of a Cavalry led Troop.....imho.

I take your point about the editing of the programme, however I'm assuming the army had a say in the final cut of this that made the TV?
Why would they have been better following an infantry platoon?

Samsgirl

DK man wrote: »

Im glad the state takes the cash in transit business so seriously

Army don't provide an escort anymore.

Señor Fancy Pants

Samsgirl wrote: »

In my everyday life no manager / boss has ever threatened to 'fcuking kill' me over anything. No need whatsoever for that.
Also pushing people beyond their capabilities resulting in one guy spending days in hospital. That kind of 'training' got two recruits killed in Wales last summer.

Does your job require you to be pushed beyond your physical and mental limits, to achieve a goal which may or may not result in risking your life to complete a task? (Irregardless that the DF may not need you to, you still have to be able to).

Pushing people to their limit and getting them to realise that they can keep going is essential for a job like this. You can't just have people going half way and giving up because they are tired, hungry, wet, cold or because they would rather be at home. They have to get desensitised to those natural urges.

I imagine you job and you Managers job are of a completely different environment. The two will not equate, including the motivations behind them. Comparisons between the two would be pointless.

You saw a Recruit on a basic battle PT that was tired, nothing more. A trip to the hospital for something like this is routine and an ass covering exercise.

If he is not medically or physically fit enough for a basic PT session he better get fitter or leave. It's the DF not a holiday. It turned out he had a viral infection....he will have to do things a lot harder than that with a lot worse than a viral infection.

It wasn't me!

Samsgirl wrote: »

In my everyday life no manager / boss has ever threatened to 'fcuking kill' me over anything. No need whatsoever for that.
Also pushing people beyond their capabilities resulting in one guy spending days in hospital. That kind of 'training' got two recruits killed in Wales last summer.

The guy ended up in hospital with a viral infection. It says that in the show. Also, the guys who died in Wales were on SOF selection. Far from recruits.

jbkenn

Samsgirl wrote: »

In my everyday life no manager / boss has ever threatened to 'fcuking kill' me over anything. No need whatsoever for that.
Also pushing people beyond their capabilities resulting in one guy spending days in hospital. That kind of 'training' got two recruits killed in Wales last summer.

You do realise it's the Army and I hope you realise these recruits are being trained to kill people, thats what soldiers do when called upon to do so, a little fvcking and blinding is the least of it.

Samsgirl

It wasn't me! wrote: »

The guy ended up in hospital with a viral infection. It says that in the show. Also, the guys who died in Wales were on SOF selection. Far from recruits.

Should he not have been on the exercise in the first place if he had a viral infection?

yohan the great

Christ some people on here must have been very naive before watching it. You don't want to go to Syria with a lad that will crack under pressure or fail to take orders

Samsgirl

jbkenn wrote: »

You do realise it's the Army and I hope you realise these recruits are being trained to kill people, thats what soldiers do when called upon to do so, a little fvcking and blinding is the least of it.

Oh believe me I know..

It wasn't me!

They didn't find out about it until it showed up in his performance and he went to hospital. Injury and hospitalisation is routine in the army, as stated above. It happens all the time. That's just the nature of the job.

Señor Fancy Pants

Hitchens wrote: »

I think all recruit training is standardised

It is, its just a personal preference that's all.

Señor Fancy Pants

DK man wrote: »

Im glad the state takes the cash in transit business so seriously

Not any more it doesn't.

Señor Fancy Pants

Horse84 wrote: »

I take your point about the editing of the programme, however I'm assuming the army had a say in the final cut of this that made the TV?
Why would they have been better following an infantry platoon?

Just a personal preference of mine, that's all.

I just couldn't get over he standard of recruits, seriously that has to be a joke they were the best 40 out of what 41 applicants.

I was expecting really hard tough lads who maybe left school young and wanted to make something of themselves or guys who's dream it's always been to be in the army, some of the guys on there you genuinely wouldn't trust to look after a dog and the rest should have been at home playing with Star Wars figurines.

Hitchens

Darian Melodic Beggar wrote: »

I just couldn't get over he standard of recruits, seriously that has to be a joke they were the best 40 out of what 41 applicants.

I was expecting really hard tough lads who maybe left school young and wanted to make something of themselves or guys who's dream it's always been to be in the army, some of the guys on there you genuinely wouldn't trust to look after a dog and the rest should have been at home playing with Star Wars figurines.

how can you judge what standard they are ....seriously?

Señor Fancy Pants

Darian Melodic Beggar wrote: »

I just couldn't get over he standard of recruits, seriously that has to be a joke they were the best 40 out of what 41 applicants.

I was expecting really hard tough lads who maybe left school young and wanted to make something of themselves or guys who's dream it's always been to be in the army, some of the guys on There you genuinely wouldn't trust to look after a dog and the rest should have been at home playing with Star Wars figurines.

I agree on the face of it. Tbh, the vast majority of the ones who pass out as a 3* Private will be far from the Recruits you seen tonight.

A lot of guys applying nowadays just want a job. Not all that make it to Recruit Training actually want to be in the DF.

Most applicants think it's a handy number because "It's the Irish Army...piece of piss"!

Hitchens

Hitchens wrote: »

how can you judge what standard they are ....seriously?

I can use my eyes and see that a lot of them clearly don't have 2 brain cells between them, that in itself isn't a problem but it is when this is apperanlty the top 40 prospects in the country. It's not as if this is conscription.

Señor Fancy Pants

Señor Fancy Pants wrote: »

I agree on the face of it. Tbh, the vast majority of the ones who pass out as a 3* Private will be far from the Recruits you seen tonight.

A lot of guys applying nowadays just want a job. Not all that make it to Recruit Training actually want to be in the DF.

Most applicants think it's a handy number because "It's the Irish Army...piece of piss"!

Maybe I'm being harsh but a lad I went to school with I met recently, I'm late 20's , he joined the British army straight out of school and has done multiple tours of Afghanistan, and the stories he told me were beyond belief. I'd be fairly sure you would get more than a bollocking over there if you basically laughed in an officers face during training like we saw tonight, the superiors tonight were like teachers you'd laugh at them.

He said the majority of lads over there go joined were tough tough people, the crowd tonight were a joke.

Señor Fancy Pants

Darian Melodic Beggar wrote: »

I can use my eyes and see that a lot of them clearly don't have 2 brain cells between them, that in itself isn't a problem but it is when this is apperanlty the top 40 prospects in the country. It's not as if this is conscription.

They are not the "Top 40" in the country.

Remember, they are literally the next guys on a big long list that have passed all the basic requirements to serve as a Soldier.

It's their performance during Recruit Training that will determine if they have what it takes.

They will learn a hell of a lot during their training. The army will teach them everything they need to know. Everything from walking, ironing, hygiene, to a wide range of military tactics.

Two brain cell or not, the Instructors will make those two brain cells fcuk, and make more brain cells to be filled with things they need to know to be a soldier.

Señor Fancy Pants

Señor Fancy Pants wrote: »

They are not the "Top 40" in the country.

Remember, they are literally the next guys on a big long list that have passed all the basic requirements to serve as a Soldier.

It's their performance during Recruit Training that will determine if they have what it takes.

They will learn a hell of a lot during their training. The army will teach them everything they need to know. Everything from walking, ironing, hygiene, to a wide range of military tactics.

Two brain cell or not, the Instructors will make those two brain cells fcuk, and make more brain cells to be filled with things they need to know to be a soldier.

Did it not say they were hiring 40 soldiers and these were the 40 chosen out of hundreds and hundreds of applicants?
If you are fighting for tax payers money to fund the defence forces and put a documentary on TV you would really want a better showing than that 40.

Señor Fancy Pants

Darian Melodic Beggar wrote: »

Maybe I'm being harsh but a lad I went to school with I met recently, I'm late 20's , he joined the British army straight out of school and has done multiple tours of Afghanistan, and the stories he told me were beyond belief. I'd be fairly sure you would get more than a bollocking over there if you basically laughed in an officers face during training like we saw tonight, the superiors tonight were like teachers you'd laugh at them.

He said the majority of lads over there go joined were tough tough people, the crowd tonight were a joke.

The BA and the PDF are different. When you enlist in the BA, you do so with complete knowledge that you will see active combat.

When you enlist in the PDF there is an attitude to most that it's a "Micky Mouse army". It's not always taken seriously by those who make it to Recruit Training. Honestly, the most are not tough at the start but by the end they will be.

You are working off third hand stories from people about an organisation that you are not part of. You friend is always going to tell you that all the lads are hard as nails. Then you are comparing them to a 1 hr PR programme from up to 5 weeks of basic Recruit Ttaining.

You saw a handful of Recruits, nothing more. Young lads that have grown up in the shadow of the Celtic Tiger that are more acquainted to the easier things in life.

They signed up to give it a shot, fair fcuks to them. Who cares if they turn up rough or not? The army is full of diverse types of people that are well able to do the job.

I can guarantee you that laughing in a superiors face is a serious offence and not one that is ignored. There's not much you can do with a TV crew in your face.

Señor Fancy Pants

Darian Melodic Beggar wrote: »

Did it not say they were hiring 40 soldiers and these were the 40 chosen out of hundreds and hundreds of applicants?
If you are fighting for tax payers money to fund the defence forces and put a documentary on TV you would really want a better showing than that 40.

Yes. A Recruit Platoon can consist of anything between 30-50 Recruits.

That depends on current DF numbers, Brigade/Corps requirements and Government sanction.

40 was the number which was sanctioned. Hundreds of applicants were called to be put through various tests. The reason for this is that there is a high drop out rate and also, a lot of people decline a place once they get an offer of enlistment.

As I said, these guys were next on the list.

The DF is under funded, do a bit of research on DF reform and budget allocation to all Govt Depts and see what you think.

Ultimately, being brutally honest. The quality of the Private Soldier on completion of training is far more important than the Recruit they initially take in.

If you can't accept that, there's no discussion to be had.

mystic

Darian Melodic Beggar wrote: »

Bunch of misfits, half of them can barely speak English. If this is the top 40 that applied it's probably best we only do peace keeping haha

Darian Melodic Beggar wrote: »

I can use my eyes and see that a lot of them clearly don't have 2 brain cells between them, that in itself isn't a problem but it is when this is apperanlty the top 40 prospects in the country. It's not as if this is conscription.

Darian Melodic Beggar wrote: »

Did it not say they were hiring 40 soldiers and these were the 40 chosen out of hundreds and hundreds of applicants?
If you are fighting for tax payers money to fund the defence forces and put a documentary on TV you would really want a better showing than that 40.

I think your comments are very disingenous and misinformed. I really enjoyed the programme and look forward to seeing part 2 tomorrow night.

In case you didn't know, 10,000 people applied for the Recruitment competition in 2014. I'm not sure how many were taken on in 2014 but the latest lot started a few weeks ago (my son included).

Señor Fancy Pants

Tompatrick wrote: »

It's a minimum wage job so it attracts the dregs of society with weak minds and bodies who are unable for any more demanding job that would yield a higher wage.

Not true and complete bollox.

mystic

Tompatrick wrote: »

It's a minimum wage job so it attracts the dregs of society with weak minds and bodies who are unable for any more demanding job that would yield a higher wage.

OMG, my blood is boiling here. Not going to say what I really think of your post as I don't want to get banned. The language in tonight's programme is mild compared to what I want to post!!

Kat1170

Please stop feeding the trolls. It's easy enough to spot the posters who wouldn't make it as far as day one of recruit training even if the list was 100,000 long.

Best of luck to all those chosen.

mystic

mystic wrote: »

I think your comments are very disingenous and misinformed. I really enjoyed the programme and look forward to seeing part 2 tomorrow night.

In case you didn't know, 10,000 people applied for the Recruitment competition in 2014. I'm not sure how many were taken on in 2014 but the latest lot started a few weeks ago (my son included).

Fair play to your son, I hope he does brilliantly!
I look forward to part 2 aswell, I enjoyed it.

No, my comments were not meant to be disrespectful to the guys but it was made out as you say above that 10,000 people applied last year and the 40 guys that we saw tonight were the best out of that 10,000 which is an absolute disgrace if it is the case. I hope it's not and someone will correct me .

I mean if there is such a high applicant rate and small intake I do not see how it's possible they cannot get a higher calibre recruit.

mystic

Darian Melodic Beggar wrote: »

Fair play to your son, I hope he does brilliantly!
I look forward to part 2 aswell, I enjoyed it.

No, my comments were not meant to be disrespectful to the guys but it was made out as you say above that 10,000 people applied last year and the 40 guys that we saw tonight were the best out of that 10,000 which is an absolute disgrace if it is the case. I hope it's not and someone will correct me .

I mean if there is such a high intake I do not see how it's possible they cannot get a higher calibre recruit.

Just a bit of information for you.....after application the applicants had to go through a rigorous procedure (fitness test, psychometric testing, interview, thorough medical and Garda vetting). The whole point of the recruit training is to weed out the people who really want to be a soldier from those that don't. Some people start because they believe the army is a 'handy number' but they soon find out it's not. The recruit training phase is probably going to the toughest 17 weeks of their lives (as several experienced posters have said on this forum). I'm looking forward to part two to see the transformation of the civilians that started into members of the Defence Forces.

Perhaps this programme will deter the people who think that life in the Defence Forces is a 'doddle' from applying for the current recruitment competition.

Larbre34

18 is no age to be a recruit. Even the 'mature'18yo was making a balls of basic parade and kit requirements. Surely an age range of 21-27 would be more beneficial both to the candidates and the DF, make it so the young lad or girl has some experience of work or the discipline of study under their belt.

yohan the great

Don't know how people are judging that these lads lack brain cells. There was maybe two lads we saw in that part tonight that you could say lacked common sense or brain cells and surprise surprise they were two of the youngest lads there straight out of school