anc payments

marathon

hey everyone bit of advise needed. I have 30 hectares and have applied for anc payment (disadvantaged payments) how many calves do I need to have on the land before 31st august to qualify for the payment. I currently have 2 15 month old heifers and 13 calves. all answers appreciated

AP2014

marathon wrote: »

hey everyone bit of advise needed. I have 30 hectares and have applied for anc payment (disadvantaged payments) how many calves do I need to have on the land before 31st august to qualify for the payment. I currently have 2 15 month old heifers and 13 calves. all answers appreciated

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/basicpaymentscheme/2015forms/ANC2015TC420150505V6110515.pdf

3.2. Minimum Stocking Density of 0.15 livestock units per forage
hectare in 2015
The retention period is seven consecutive months within the scheme
year where the stocking density on the holding has to be equal or
greater than 0.15 livestock units per forage hectare. In addition to
maintaining 0.15 livestock units for a minimum retention period of
seven consecutive months, applicants must also maintain an annual
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average of 0.15 livestock units calculated over the 12 months of the
scheme year. Applicants must own, possess, hold and maintain the
livestock required to maintain the minimum stocking level, and there
will be a continued recognition of applicants, who will not meet the
minimum stocking requirement due to recognised constraints imposed
on the holding. Where it is established that an applicant does not own
the animals used to calculate the minimum stocking density the
applicant will be deemed ineligible for payment under the Scheme
except in the case of Contract Rearing see 3.3.
Examples of seven consecutive month period are: 1 January to 31 July
inclusive, 15 February to 15 September inclusive, 19 May to 19
December inclusive.

patjack

How long do you have the 15 animals? They would all be counted as .6 of a livestock unit as they are under 24 months.

There are two rules you need to satisfy

1) an annual average stocking rate of .15 lu per ha. So in your case you would need 8 animals under 2 years (i.e. 8 * .6 lu) for the entire year to satisfy this rule. (Or the 15 animals you have would suffice if you held them for just over half the year, although to satisfy rule 2 you'd need to keep them for seven months).

2)The seven month rule, whereby you have a minimum stocking rate per hectare of .15 lu for seven consecutive months.

marathon

ive only purchased the 13 calves in last 2 months but have had the 2 heifers for the last 14 months me thinks im goina miss out am I?

patjack

You might be lucky, I enquired before and I think that they calculate on a day basis. If my calc is correct, I think that if you had the calves on your holding on the 18/06/15 or before you will just about qualify. Thats going with a 30 ha figure, is your reference area slightly above or below 30 Ha?

If you'd qualify you would not be paid until 2016 as you will not have satisfied the 7 month rule before Dec 31st

marathon

just below 30 hectares 29.2 I think

patjack

marathon wrote: »

just below 30 hectares 29.2 I think

If you had the calves before 18th June I reckon you'd be ok. I would ring the dept. and tell them your scenario and ask them to do the calculation just to be sure.

Your just above the .15 lu /ha annual requirement. If you had the calves before the 18th June you should barely qualify for payment.

You'd have to contact the dept in January 2016 for payment as you won't have satisfied the requirement before the Sept payment run.

Do you know what date you got the calves exactly?

patjack

Although readings AP's post above it looks like you mightn't qualify as the the seven month period looks like it only starts when you hit the minimum stocking rate. So for June you wouldn't be hitting the minimum stocking rate at the start.

Best ring the dept to clarify.

AP2014

patjack wrote: »

Although readings AP's post above it looks like you mightn't qualify as the the seven month period looks like it only starts when you hit the minimum stocking rate. So for June you wouldn't be hitting the minimum stocking rate at the start.

Best ring the dept to clarify.

Yes need to be careful, had a neighbour who was a day short and lost out. Not sure if he managed to appeal or not in the end and get something.

marathon

anyone get word on anc payments? are they due out next week?

whelan2

marathon wrote: »

anyone get word on anc payments? are they due out next week?

Normally paidd out around ploughing match time

djmc

I wonder what the rate of payment will be this year it seems to be cut a little every year since the banking collapse
It's small amounts every year so people don't make too much fuss about it.
I think there is also some review on land that will be eligible for anc going forward.

ChewyLuey

patjack wrote: »

You'd have to contact the dept in January 2016 for payment as you won't have satisfied the requirement before the Sept payment run.

Hmm I'll only satisfy the 7 month rule in mid October.
Do they make you wait until Jan in this case or are you sure there are not other runs in the interim ? thanks

ABlur

ChewyLuey wrote: »

Hmm I'll only satisfy the 7 month rule in mid October.
Do they make you wait until Jan in this case or are you sure there are not other runs in the interim ? thanks

You will probably be paid by November as there are several payment runs.

arctictree

Just got a text from the DAFM that my ANC payment is processed

Grueller

Me too.

Sacrolyte

Got the exact same as last year.

whelan2

Sacrolyte wrote: »

Got the exact same as last year.

got more than last year:)

Sacrolyte

whelan2 wrote: »

got more than last year:)

Biatch

Greengrass1

Got text off dafm getting anc payment. Applied last yr for out farm and didn't get it and was told it would be c 300e if we got it.
This is quite considerably more than 300e

20silkcut

What's an ANC payment?

Hardly anything to do with South African politics??

djmc

The new disadvantage area payment.
areas of natural constraint

djmc

Wouldn't be too surprised if it had something to do with south African political
They seem to change the name the rules and the goalposts every few years in case we might figure a scheme out.
Remember area aid we just had to write down cow numbers and sign at the bottom

degetme

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Got text off dafm getting anc payment. Applied last yr for out farm and didn't get it and was told it would be c 300e if we got it.
This is quite considerably more than 300e

How are you getting it? I taught it was all good land down your side of the country

Greengrass1

degetme wrote: »

How are you getting it? I taught it was all good land down your side of the country

Outfarm is actually quite good ground but most of the land ariund it is near the black stairs and of poor quality so got dragged in.
Few areas near home would be disadvantaged too so we're wondering has home been dragged into it too.

What's the av payment /ac?

degetme

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Outfarm is actually quite good ground but most of the land ariund it is near the black stairs and of poor quality so got dragged in.
Few areas near home would be disadvantaged too so we're wondering has home been dragged into it too.

What's the av payment /ac?

82euro a hectare up to thirty hectares here. Some land around here not disadvantaged getting payment and poorer land not classified disadvantaged

Miname

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Outfarm is actually quite good ground but most of the land ariund it is near the black stairs and of poor quality so got dragged in.
Few areas near home would be disadvantaged too so we're wondering has home been dragged into it too.

What's the av payment /ac?

E82.27 around me. Goes to around e95 next and then up to e 109.

whelan2

degetme wrote: »

82euro a hectare up to thirty hectares here. Some land around here not disadvantaged getting payment and poorer land not classified disadvantaged

is it all the same rate now, wasnt there less severely handicapped areas before. is the 82 x 30 the top payment?

degetme

whelan2 wrote: »

is it all the same rate now, wasnt there less severely handicapped areas before. is the 82 x 30 the top payment?

I'm not sure. I think there is still the three rates

wool521

Has everyone been paid?

conseng

Not me, new to the system though and only registered first animals in mid April.

Longford Leader

wool521 wrote: »

Has everyone been paid?

No sign of mine yet.

Will be making a beeline for their tent tomorrow :rolleyes:

Sacrolyte

wool521 wrote: »

Has everyone been paid?

Its not that we've been paid. Just promised payment.

wool521

I haven't even been promised:-)

reps4

or me.. does every1 have it showing as in- process on financial services

KatyMac

Got a text last night that it would be in the account on 23rd. Won't be there too long, alot of hands out for it.

Greengrass1

Where do I find the list for the areas in the new anc scheme?

jack o shea

is this what used be called the DAS?

arctictree

jack o shea wrote: »

is this what used be called the DAS?

Yes

solerina

Git the text yesterday too...checked on agfood and got the exact same as last year, disappointed, thought it would be up this year ��

Sami23

reps4 wrote: »

or me.. does every1 have it showing as in- process on financial services

Not showing on mine yet either............

Nekarsulm

Showing as "Paid" on Ag. Food, but usually takes four or five working days to actually show up. Same amount as last year.

dohc turbo2

Sami23 wrote: »

Not showing on mine yet either............

Nothing showing on mine either

wiilow74

Nothing showing on Ag site for me or in Bank yet , anyone receive a payment yet ?

Sami23

While were on the money side of things, are peoples entitlement values for this year showing on the agfood site ?
Mine is blank.

marathon

anyone had a compliance inspection? any tips on what they lookin for?

djmc

Had one last year felt inspector went completely OTT still at appeal stage.
I had yards clean medical records up to date and tags ordered had everything locked away and spraying recorded.
Got done for no sign on chemical store some cubicles broken in slatted house even had new ones ready to install in yard. And eshoot missing beside a pencil roadway.
Got 25% penalty and it was my first offensive.

Sacrolyte

reps4 wrote: »

or me.. does every1 have it showing as in- process on financial services

Shouldn't you have changed your username to GLAS by now?

Cavanjack

djmc wrote: »

Had one last year felt inspector went completely OTT still at appeal stage.
I had yards clean medical records up to date and tags ordered had everything locked away and spraying recorded.
Got done for no sign on chemical store some cubicles broken in slatted house even had new ones ready to install in yard. And eshoot missing beside a pencil roadway.
Got 25% penalty and it was my first offensive.

Broken cubicles? They'll take my sfp off me so! Did you appeal?

mahoney_j

djmc wrote: »

Had one last year felt inspector went completely OTT still at appeal stage.
I had yards clean medical records up to date and tags ordered had everything locked away and spraying recorded.
Got done for no sign on chemical store some cubicles broken in slatted house even had new ones ready to install in yard. And eshoot missing beside a pencil roadway.
Got 25% penalty and it was my first offensive.

25% for that I'd swing for the fooker,and still at appeals stage ,I'd be creatin ructions

djmc

Fairly peed off alright almost 12 months and haven't even got passed local dvo first stage of appeal yet.