Scanning cows?

blue5000

Anybody scan yet? What sort of results are ppl getting?

Bullocks

blue5000 wrote: »

Anybody scan yet? What sort of results are ppl getting?

I haven't but a few local lads are disappointed with results this year . Alot not holding.
I'd say the wet weather all along isn't helping

mahoney_j

Heifers 100% all calving within 5?weeks.cows will scan first week September ,things looking very promising though .beteween 3/5% empty including cows not aid .

degetme

mahoney_j wrote: »

Heifers 100% all calving within 5?weeks.cows will scan first week September ,things looking very promising though .beteween 3/5% empty including cows not aid .

impressive results. scanning tomorrow. they wont be as good as that.

wiggy123

scanned--unhappy results.. hearing reports scans are down-success rate, say lack of sun not great--re cows holding,etc

sean98

Great results here! All cows incalf but about 20% broke earlier on in the year. We put that down to some cows not being in right condition after calfing. This was our first year with a stock bull and he is a god send. He had about 10 cows served in his first 2 weeks. We would never have spotted all them cows if we were still with ai

grassroot1

36 scanned last week 35 in calf (27 cows 8 heifers) 3 sets of twins on the 35
first due 1 Feb last to calve on 17 March Very Pleased.

Greengrass1

wiggy123 wrote: »

scanned--unhappy results.. hearing reports scans are down-success rate, say lack of sun not great--re cows holding,etc

I dunno if that can explain it tbh. How do cows hold in ai to winter?
12% empty in winter herd here after 6 wks ai. Would have had less if we went for longer but wanted a short calving period.
Still looking like <5% empty here scanning within the next 2 wks

Sam Kade

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I dunno if that can explain it tbh. How do cows hold in ai to winter?
12% empty in winter herd here after 6 wks ai. Would have had less if we went for longer but wanted a short calving period.
Still looking like <5% empty here scanning within the next 2 wks

Vets will tell you they need the sun on their backs for to go incalf but there isn't much sun in winter. I had a few heifers that failed to go incalf last year and they spent the whole winter bulling with very obvious heats, when it came to the breeding season in April there wasn't a geek out of them and they had barely noticeable heats.

mahoney_j

Sam Kade wrote: »

Vets will tell you they need the sun on their backs for to go incalf but there isn't much sun in winter. I had a few heifers that failed to go incalf last year and they spent the whole winter bulling with very obvious heats, when it came to the breeding season in April there wasn't a geek out of them and they had barely noticeable heats.

Diet namely energy intakes,body condition score good health status,and adequate minerals are the drivers of cow fertility .process starts when cows are dry they need to hit ground running once calved and keep things moving through early lactation and through breeding season

Milked out

It's the consistency of the diet, once it's right, that'll give u results inside that's where grass can let u down as weather alone will change the diet on any given day. This year here anyway june/ July was hard to keep em happy and more repeats resulted from it I think anyway.

blue5000

Ya energy is the big factor, it's not the sun on their backs, it's the sun increasing sugar levels in the grass that counts. Winter calvers would be getting it in the ration.

degetme

Did the final Scan yesterday. Ten per cent empty with maiden heifers. 54 day breeding period. All ai. Scratch cards only aid.

14 per cent empty for the cows. 69 day breeding period. All ai too. Tail paint only aid

A few cows that were scanned in calf in mid June repeated so that has increased empty rate

blue5000

86% in calf, bulls are still in with cows, so will scan the few doubtfuls in a couple of months again. Main reason I scanned before taking bulls out is because I have a young bull running with a bunch of mostly heifers, if anything was wrong I'd swap bulls around for 3-4 weeks.

Mulumpy

5% of cows scanned empty. All heifers in calf for a change. Only a 9 week calving season so very happy with that.

Farrell

Scanned last week, all incalf bar 2.
1 has a cyst on an ovary, the other has repeated a few times.

lefthooker

92% cows, 100% heifers. No AI all by stock Bulls

blackdog1

Heard moorepark put in a bull for the first time ever their results were so bad. Even heard they put him back in a 2nd time. That's with moo monitor, heatime and tail painting in a top ebi herd has a lot of labour and all the experts. So it looks like it might be one of those years lads so don't beat yourself up if results aren't as good as last year.

tomieen jones

lefthooker wrote: »

92% cows, 100% heifers. No AI all by stock Bulls

A bull is handy for cows

jaymla627

blackdog1 wrote: »

Heard moorepark put in a bull for the first time ever their results were so bad. Even heard they put him back in a 2nd time. That's with moo monitor, heatime and tail painting in a top ebi herd has a lot of labour and all the experts. So it looks like it might be one of those years lads so don't beat yourself up if results aren't as good as last year.

moorepark are taking the proverbial pisss though in trying to get away with little our no meal on a predominantly high milk Ho herd and are reaping the benefits with their incalf rates this year, was at a farm tour in England last year and a farmer had bought a load of heifers from moorepark two years ago the top cow he had in his herd was one of these was averaging 850 kg of solids a year and holding a 365 calving interval in a grass based system with about a ton and a half of meal going in, with the rest all over 600kg it just gives a snapshot of what their cows in Moorepark would potentially do if feed correctly and not half starved

mahoney_j

jaymla627 wrote: »

moorepark are taking the proverbial pisss though in trying to get away with little our no meal on a predominantly high milk Ho herd and are reaping the benefits with their incalf rates this year, was at a farm tour in England last year and a farmer had bought a load of heifers from moorepark two years ago the top cow he had in his herd was one of these was averaging 850 kg of solids a year and holding a 365 calving interval in a grass based system with about a ton and a half of meal going in, with the rest all over 600kg it just gives a snapshot of what their cows in Moorepark would potentially do if feed correctly and not half starved

Fully agree glad u pointed it out not me!!!!.correctly supplementing cows at grass can and dose leave a lot more milk and solids kg as well as better fertility .

Greengrass1

jaymla627 wrote: »

moorepark are taking the proverbial pisss though in trying to get away with little our no meal on a predominantly high milk Ho herd and are reaping the benefits with their incalf rates this year, was at a farm tour in England last year and a farmer had bought a load of heifers from moorepark two years ago the top cow he had in his herd was one of these was averaging 850 kg of solids a year and holding a 365 calving interval in a grass based system with about a ton and a half of meal going in, with the rest all over 600kg it just gives a snapshot of what their cows in Moorepark would potentially do if feed correctly and not half starved

Just wondering jay.
Do you ever have anything good to say about anyone??

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Just wondering jay.
Do you ever have anything good to say about anyone??

What was wrong with post gg,he's making a very good point.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

What was wrong with post gg,he's making a very good point.

I've seen the ciws in moorepark and they are not under condition.
The high ebi trial down there is to see is the ebi getting it right for the grass based systems.
Not the meal to milk solids systems.

I'd say there's plenty that feed 1.5t amd plus meal and still get poor conception and empty rates

You have sad yourself mj you cut back the meal with the low milk price.
How do you think your cows will fair next yr if mp is worse and it doesn't justify to feed the meal like it does now.

jaymla627

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Just wondering jay.
Do you ever have anything good to say about anyone??

I'm hard pleased ill admit that, you obviously have been to moorepark would you class the cow type their suitable for a intensive grass based system with minimal meal going in, would loved to of seen the moorepark herd go up to the new lyons farm and see what the results would be where the cows would be maxed out to their potential, when you see the results the guy was achieving with the same cows you really would have to start to question the logic of what they are trying to achieve down their

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I've seen the ciws in moorepark and they are not under condition.
The high ebi trial down there is to see is the ebi getting it right for the grass based systems.
Not the meal to milk solids systems.

I'd say there's plenty that feed 1.5t amd plus meal and still get poor conception and empty rates

You have sad yourself mj you cut back the meal with the low milk price.
How do you think your cows will fair next yr if mp is worse and it doesn't justify to feed the meal like it does now.

Haven't cut back meal and don't plan to as cows are returning Irvin spades.3.2 kg average with a 2.5 to 6 kg range daily .ive a cow that's milky,gives high solids ,fertile and converts meal in to milk in tank accompanied by copious amounts of grass .cows were jay was referencing had empty rate of 18:20% and most years if I remember is around 15% .not exactly top of class or anywhere near it .would u be happy with that??????.they have the genetics there to do the milk and solids and be fertile so why not feed them correctly ??.that cow over in UK with 850 kg solids and ci if 365 days would most likely be burgers now if still here .no point trying to gloss over things or dismiss another posters point of view when he makes a very good point and poses an equally good question .

browned

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I've seen the ciws in moorepark and they are not under condition.
The high ebi trial down there is to see is the ebi getting it right for the grass based systems.
Not the meal to milk solids systems.

I'd say there's plenty that feed 1.5t amd plus meal and still get poor conception and empty rates

You have sad yourself mj you cut back the meal with the low milk price.
How do you think your cows will fair next yr if mp is worse and it doesn't justify to feed the meal like it does now.

Wrong trial gg the 12-14% not in calf after 13 weeks were results from the following curtains trial. Last year the results were 9-10% not in calf.

"Currently the Curtins experiment is comparing various Holstein-Friesian genotypes under two likely futuristic pasture-based production systems. The three genotypes compared are North American low EBI, North American high EBI and New Zealand high EBI. These cows are assigned to two production systems for a no milk quota scenario: a low cost pasture-based system based on maximum grass production and conversion to milk at low cost system (MP; 2.8 cows/ha, 150 kg DM supplement) and a maximum grass production and conversion to milk high intensity system (HC; 3.1cows/ha; 1100 kg DM supplement)."

Greengrass1

browned wrote: »

Wrong trial gg the 12-14% not in calf after 13 weeks were results from the following curtains trial. Last year the results were 9-10% not in calf.

"Currently the Curtins experiment is comparing various Holstein-Friesian genotypes under two likely futuristic pasture-based production systems. The three genotypes compared are North American low EBI, North American high EBI and New Zealand high EBI. These cows are assigned to two production systems for a no milk quota scenario: a low cost pasture-based system based on maximum grass production and conversion to milk at low cost system (MP; 2.8 cows/ha, 150 kg DM supplement) and a maximum grass production and conversion to milk high intensity system (HC; 3.1cows/ha; 1100 kg DM supplement)."

Okay my bad so.
Been in curtains once was a good few yrs ago.
I'd be very interested in going to see that trial

browned

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Okay my bad so.
Been in curtains once was a good few yrs ago.
I'd be very interested in going to see that trial

Easy to get confused with the various trials. 7-8 different research farms with trials changing every 3-4 years. Add in maybe 2-3 groups of cows in each trial in another 2-3 different trail scenario's. was in curtains a few time. Some farm.

Greengrass1

browned wrote: »

Easy to get confused with the various trials. 7-8 different research farms with trials changing every 3-4 years. Add in maybe 2-3 groups of cows in each trial in another 2-3 different trail scenario's. was in curtains a few time. Some farm.

Which group had the big empty rate so or dud they all have big enough empty ratea?

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

Haven't cut back meal and don't plan to as cows are returning Irvin spades.3.2 kg average with a 2.5 to 6 kg range daily .ive a cow that's milky,gives high solids ,fertile and converts meal in to milk in tank accompanied by copious amounts of grass .cows were jay was referencing had empty rate of 18:20% and most years if I remember is around 15% .not exactly top of class or anywhere near it .would u be happy with that??????.they have the genetics there to do the milk and solids and be fertile so why not feed them correctly ??.that cow over in UK with 850 kg solids and ci if 365 days would most likely be burgers now if still here .no point trying to gloss over things or dismiss another posters point of view when he makes a very good point and poses an equally good question .

This is NOT a critique but a statement/question based on the information I've gleaned from your posts.

Your feeding 1.5 tonne meal baling massive surplus and have loads of silage already surplus.

You don't know how much grass you're growing

I'm wondering how profitable that scenario is in another low price year. There's no doubt you've super cows you clearly manage them extremely well to push out the solids you do.

Are you under stocked on MP

Are you substituting grass with bought nuts?

My concern in this scenario is flexibility for the high and lows of price

Just a few questions, absolutely no need to engage in this if you don't want.

browned

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Which group had the big empty rate so or dud they all have big enough empty ratea?

They haven't broken it down in the weekly reports. Looking at the other reports clonakilty has a 4.5% nic for the cows while Johnstown has an 18% for their spring herd. They're only one year results of a 3-5 year trial

Milked out

browned wrote: »

They haven't broken it down in the weekly reports. Looking at the other reports clonakilty has a 4.5% nic for the cows while Johnstown has an 18% for their spring herd. They're only one year results of a 3-5 year trial

Do they publish yearly reports on each giving performance for each group/ herd in terms of yield, fert, supplementation at different time of year, etc.? Would be helpful and interesting if they did. On the performance of each herd I would hold off on judgement until conclusions of research are published after the full trial period. The issue with the journal and that would be pushing results as definitive prior to trial/research being fully completed.

mahoney_j

frazzledhome wrote: »

This is NOT a critique but a statement/question based on the information I've gleaned from your posts.

Your feeding 1.5 tonne meal baling massive surplus and have loads of silage already surplus.

You don't know how much grass you're growing

I'm wondering how profitable that scenario is in another low price year. There's no doubt you've super cows you clearly manage them extremely well to push out the solids you do.

Are you under stocked on MP

Are you substituting grass with bought nuts?

My concern in this scenario is flexibility for the high and lows of price

Just a few questions, absolutely no need to engage in this if you don't want.

No bother I'll engage away !!!
On first point not feeding 1.5 tonne yet ,that is the aim and to produce 8 k Ltrs and 600 kg plus solids.this year feed will be circa 1.1 tonne .actually feeding less than this time last year with higher kg solids as a result of maturing herd and 30% heifers

Correct haven't a clue what grass I'm growing ,I know I should measure more but I walk full milk platform twice weekly and base decisions on what's in front of me .i started measuring again this week and will continue to ensure autumn targets are met

Current Sr on milk block with all available for grazing is 2.85 .silage is also taken here and from early April to mid June sr is 4.5.this could and dose go up to 6 short term once short term silage is taken out to keep quality in front of cows .next year I'll be circa 3.25 and following year 3.55
At the moment yes under stocked .milk block I reckon will grow 15/16 tonne plus this year ,now fully reseeded ,ph All ok and pk index all 2/3 and 4 farm is dry but not very drought prone and I can graze from early feb to late November every year .
Substituting grass with nuts ,maby at times but overall I'd say no

I think this system is sustainable in good and bad price as I wouldn't regard meal I'm feeding as excessive compared to results I'm achieving .last collection showed 23.3 Ltrs 3.93 p 4.24 fat and 3.1 kg av feed .sone tell me I should be feeding a kg more on average but I disagree as return would be negebile if any .100% heifers in calf in <7!weeks and scanning cows on sat but expecting less than 5% overall empty including culls in 12 weeks

A max of 110 cows will be milked on my milk block and I firmly believe that Ltrs in tank and per cow are crucial to me as long as solids and fertility stay and improve from current levels .after that I've developed a nice little trade for high ebi Bulls and in calf stock over last few years .less and less of these and wh and blue blks and hfrs will be kept in future as cow nos expand though

Milked out

mahoney_j wrote: »

No bother I'll engage away !!!
On first point not feeding 1.5 tonne yet ,that is the aim and to produce 8 k Ltrs and 600 kg plus solids.this year feed will be circa 1.1 tonne .actually feeding less than this time last year with higher kg solids as a result of maturing herd and 30% heifers

Correct haven't a clue what grass I'm growing ,I know I should measure more but I walk full milk platform twice weekly and base decisions on what's in front of me .i started measuring again this week and will continue to ensure autumn targets are met

Current Sr on milk block with all available for grazing is 2.85 .silage is also taken here and from early April to mid June sr is 4.5.this could and dose go up to 6 short term once short term silage is taken out to keep quality in front of cows .next year I'll be circa 3.25 and following year 3.55
At the moment yes under stocked .milk block I reckon will grow 15/16 tonne plus this year ,now fully reseeded ,ph All ok and pk index all 2/3 and 4 farm is dry but not very drought prone and I can graze from early feb to late November every year .
Substituting grass with nuts ,maby at times but overall I'd say no

I think this system is sustainable in good and bad price as I wouldn't regard meal I'm feeding as excessive compared to results I'm achieving .last collection showed 23.3 Ltrs 3.93 p 4.24 fat and 3.1 kg av feed .sone tell me I should be feeding a kg more on average but I disagree as return would be negebile if any .100% heifers in calf in <7!weeks and scanning cows on sat but expecting less than 5% overall empty including culls in 12 weeks

A max of 110 cows will be milked on my milk block and I firmly believe that Ltrs in tank and per cow are crucial to me as long as solids and fertility stay and improve from current levels .after that I've developed a nice little trade for high ebi Bulls and in calf stock over last few years .less and less of these and wh and blue blks and hfrs will be kept in future as cow nos expand though

Can you use outside blocks purely for silage and replacements and get rid of bullocks altogether, would it allow you to increase stocking rate much more than what you are suggesting and planning anyway? Of course this may lead to more supplementation in shoulders anyway so it's a tight balancing act. With your type of cow stocking rate is key I think as they tend to respond more to meal and likewise need it more during the breeding season anyway.
Those questions frazz has asked are the main ones we should all be asking ourselves really, but the key is to answer with your own situatuon and herd in mind not anyone else's unless they are very similar. Have to figure them out properly for myself yet

browned

Milked out wrote: »

Do they publish yearly reports on each giving performance for each group/ herd in terms of yield, fert, supplementation at different time of year, etc.? Would be helpful and interesting if they did. On the performance of each herd I would hold off on judgement until conclusions of research are published after the full trial period. The issue with the journal and that would be pushing results as definitive prior to trial/research being fully completed.

Agree it's be a good read to know of the yearly performance of each herd on a yearly basis as its put a lot more context into what's happening on farm at each trial. Not as far as I can see. in the weekly reports they give the collective of the herds or the farm. As in you'll have the herd average in terms of milk yield and solids as a collective of all the cows and the farm average with regards grass growth etc. don't think I've ever seen a yearly report published on a farm outside of a Moorepark or said farm openday but I wouldn't say this with an overall since of confidence. at best mid trial performance is interesting be it good performance or bad performance. In my own opinion shinagh would be the one of most relevance in terms of day to day running as its prob the most commercially run of all the farms.

mahoney_j

Milked out wrote: »

Can you use outside blocks purely for silage and replacements and get rid of bullocks altogether, would it allow you to increase stocking rate much more than what you are suggesting and planning anyway? Of course this may lead to more supplementation in shoulders anyway so it's a tight balancing act. With your type of cow stocking rate is key I think as they tend to respond more to meal and likewise need it more during the breeding season anyway.
Those questions frazz has asked are the main ones we should all be asking ourselves really, but the key is to answer with your own situatuon and herd in mind not anyone else's unless they are very similar. Have to figure them out properly for myself yet

Yes but not all blocks as one is very heavy type land that u couldn't rely on ,been great for last few years though as summers were dry .its a given cattle will be phased out as milkers increase .once 3.5 is reached only surpluses will be taken from milk block with main silage from outsides and will also have to buy in standing crops to make up shortfall .on Sr that's as far as I'd push it .could z graze but no Gra for that or machinery or the extra workload !!

pedigree 6

mahoney_j wrote: »

I've developed a nice little trade for high ebi Bulls and in calf stock over last few years .less and less of these and wh and blue blks and hfrs will be kept in future as cow nos expand though

Don't have to answer but what kind of ebi would the bulls have? I'd say they'd be fairly evenly weighted with fert and prod. I presume you sell them ped registered. I usually buy a bull calf every year and run with heifers first year and cows second year.

mahoney_j

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Don't have to answer but what kind of ebi would the bulls have? I'd say they'd be fairly evenly weighted with fert and prod. I presume you sell them ped registered. I usually buy a bull calf every year and run with heifers first year and cows second year.

Have 6 picked this year ranging 268 to 309 all genotyped as calves by ncbc.mistly return custom at this stage .would like to keep a few more but not really set up to handle Bulls best one I had with 365 ebi and 160 kg milk and 38 kg solids just never grew and unfourtnately won't be anywhere near big enough next year .born in cubicle shed and struggled from the start

pedigree 6

mahoney_j wrote: »

Have 6 picked this year ranging 268 to 309 all genotyped as calves by ncbc.mistly return custom at this stage .would like to keep a few more but not really set up to handle Bulls best one I had with 365 ebi and 160 kg milk and 38 kg solids just never grew and unfourtnately won't be anywhere near big enough next year .born in cubicle shed and struggled from the start

That's a killer hard sometimes to get what's on the paper and animal itself to match up. But ebi is delivering big time. How high the ebi will go I don't know? Will 400 be the next 300? Anyway it sounds like you're doing something right. That's the type of animal I look for. Would I be right in saying a fertility ebi of 160 will give an animal that'll calve on time every year?

Greengrass1

pedigree 6 wrote: »

That's a killer hard sometimes to get what's on the paper and animal itself to match up. But ebi is delivering big time. How high the ebi will go I don't know? Will 400 be the next 300? Anyway it sounds like you're doing something right. That's the type of animal I look for. Would I be right in saying a fertility ebi of 160 will give an animal that'll calve on time every year?

I'd prefer an a bull that will drop ten days early.
Reduce ci and get more days in milk

Timmaay

Going back on topic, the one empty heifer I had this year turns out to be a twin to a bull ha, I only hung on to her as she was born in a totally seperate bag to the bull calf and that supposedly increases the chance of a fully breeding heifer. Anyways I guess I can claim 100% incalf rate for the heifers, that would certainly be a 1st here ha!

browned

All herd just scanned. 1 out of 33 heifers not in calf 3% and 2 out of 85 cows not in calf so 2.3%. Overall a 2.5% not in calf rate for a 12 week breeding season, all 3 had held in the 1st weeks of breeding so it was a bit of a disappointment. Think this could be my last year scanning cows all of the nic's were know to me so will cut out this expense in the future.

Milked out

browned wrote: »

All herd just scanned. 1 out of 33 heifers not in calf 3% and 2 out of 85 cows not in calf so 2.3%. Overall a 2.5% not in calf rate for a 12 week breeding season, all 3 had held in the 1st weeks of breeding so it was a bit of a disappointment. Think this could be my last year scanning cows all of the nic's were know to me so will cut out this expense in the future.

Serious going there, well done. Had you any culls milking in herd which you weren't going to serve? Well you be selling heifers or expanding, either way in a great position

browned

Milked out wrote: »

Serious going there, well done. Had you any culls milking in herd which you weren't going to serve? Well you be selling heifers or expanding, either way in a great position

Had 3 culls but they were injected at end of breeding and dried off. Will sell them with the empties asap. Will prob keep 95- 100 for next year so will look to rehome 15-20 as soon as I can. Prob a mixture of cows and heifers. Nice to have option alright but the repl will drop back to 15 from next yr onwards so might even reduce the breeding back to 9 weeks depends on how it goes next year

mahoney_j

Cows scanned ,overall including heifers 97% in calf in 12 weeks .100% heifers in 6 /7 weeks .onlybone surprise in cows a 5 lactation hairy Breiz cow that has a big cyst in her womb .very happy with that

mahoney_j

mahoney_j wrote: »

Cows scanned ,overall including heifers 97% in calf in 12 weeks .100% heifers in 6 /7 weeks .onlybone surprise in cows a 5 lactation hairy Breiz cow that has a big cyst in her womb .very happy with that

Went to look at heifers this am ,all gathered in bunch in middle of field .aborted foetus in middle of them .all scanned in calf early August and vaccinations for lepto,salmonella ,Ibr and bvd up to date .fooking disgusted and hope that'll be it .hopefully just a result of a bit of jostling around .in calf to lwr for early February too.....

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Went to look at heifers this am ,all gathered in bunch in middle of field .aborted foetus in middle of them .all scanned in calf early August and vaccinations for lepto,salmonella ,Ibr and bvd up to date .fooking disgusted and hope that'll be it .hopefully just a result of a bit of jostling around .in calf to lwr for early February too.....

Everyone gets the odd one I'm sure. Sane happened us last yr twice. Luckily both were not far away from calving and came to milk

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Everyone gets the odd one I'm sure. Sane happened us last yr twice. Luckily both were not far away from calving and came to milk

Usually get one in cows after dry off ,disappointing to get one in heifers as that's her done for now.

C4d78

mahoney_j wrote: »

Went to look at heifers this am ,all gathered in bunch in middle of field .aborted foetus in middle of them .all scanned in calf early August and vaccinations for lepto,salmonella ,Ibr and bvd up to date .fooking disgusted and hope that'll be it .hopefully just a result of a bit of jostling around .in calf to lwr for early February too.....

That is a kick in the teeth but some things are outside our control. You did vaccinate for everything so probably just an isolated incident.

Unreal scanning. Maybe you should get the lads in Moorepark to pay you a visit. Might learn something on cow nutrition from you. Probably the single biggest influence on fertility.

Mehaffey1

Just to post a question here. Would many folk bother with scanning late calvers?

Boss here in NZ wants to scan the late calving herd which are still grazing Fodder Beet in situ?

In a cutting costs season such as this would it not be better to cut out the definite empties (heifers with no udder development) and cycling empty cows first to save money? Seems to make sense to me as we've 20 heifers with no sign of an udder (nearing one month after there natural calving date), 5 empty bulling cows and to make a mockery of everything one Freemartin