Perth World Series

ComfortKid

The Perth leg of the World Series kicks of this Friday 14th.

Live coverage on Setanta Ireland

Friday 12pm-4pm
Saturday 12pm-3:30pm
Sunday 12pm-3:30pm

Delayed coverage on Itv4

Draw..

Phil Taylor (1) v Craig Caldwell
Stephen Bunting (8) v Kyle Anderson
Adrian Lewis (5) v Loz Ryder
Gary Anderson (4) v Kim Lewis
Michael van Gerwen (2) v David Platt
Raymond van Barneveld (7) v Simon Whitlock
James Wade (6) v Adam Rowe
Peter Wright (3) v Paul Nicholson

ComfortKid

Predictions anyone? I fancy Taylor to win this one after defeat in the matchplay, he will want revenge. The draw allows him to meet MvG in the final.

Firewalkwithme

I'm sure Paul Nicholson will win since he's playing on home soil

ComfortKid

Ha ha ha. Of the home players, I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle Anderson went far, he has a tough draw though.

Kingp35

Am I the only one that has almost zero interest in these exhibition tournaments?

ComfortKid

I think I'm the only one with an interest in em haha. They are boring an repetitive but I'll watch any darts on tv. It's a long wait for the Grand Prix

Kingp35

Ah yeah I'll probably stick it on in the background alright but I wouldn't really be bothered who wins. It's entirely about promoting the sport around the world which can only be a good thing but it's not the most exciting tournament around!

Devastator

I've got no interest. Might put it on for few mins if theres nothing else on.
My feelings are same as KingP, just a load of promotional exhibitions

mdwexford

Kingp35 wrote: »

Am I the only one that has almost zero interest in these exhibition tournaments?

Yeah I feel pretty similar about them.

They are a smart idea to promote the game in other countries but it's still pretty crap.

ComfortKid

It's good to at least see some local players and not the usual same old heads.

Doubt we are going to get an 'upset' though, maybe Kyle Anderson but not really an upset. It'd make it more interesting if some unknown player knocked out a few pros

paulie21

James Wade 6-1 Adam Rowe
Gary Anderson 6-0 Kim Lewis
Adrian Lewis 6-1 Loz Ryder
Phil Taylor 6-1 Craig Caldwell
Kyle Anderson 6-5 Stephen Bunting
Peter Wright 6-2 Paul Nicholson
Raymond van Barneveld 6-3 Simon Whitlock
Michael van Gerwen 6-4 David Platt

No upsets. Bunting/Anderson was a great game

KevIRL

Kingp35 wrote: »

Am I the only one that has almost zero interest in these exhibition tournaments?

Nope. Couldn't care about them. I'd only barely have the premier league higher than them in terms of my personal interest levels though. In fact its only your own predictions competition that keeps me anyway interested in the PL

Devastator

No point watching now
Cheers Paulie

ComfortKid

Bunting seems to have mastered the art of playing brilliantly and losing! A bit like myself :-/

Was looking forward to this tournament just because it's darts on tv,with a few different faces, the buzz is gone now as its just the 8 most popular players again

Edit- Minus Bunting.

ComfortKid

Paul Nicholson seems like a decent enough commentator. Would be good to hear him a bit more.

The Showstopper

Plenty of drama there in the Lewis v Anderson game. Great entertainment.

ComfortKid

Lewis shows he has no bottle again. Obviously he has massive talent but he just cannot handle any pressure at all. I would have beating Ando there he was shocking

mdwexford

ComfortKid wrote: »

Lewis shows he has no bottle again. Obviously he has massive talent but he just cannot handle any pressure at all. I would have beating Ando there he was shocking

2 time World Champ has no bottle and can't handle pressure because he loses a fairly meaningless exhibition game.

You really do come out with some gems.

ComfortKid

Yep. How many times have we seen him bottle a big leads? How many finals and semis has he lost due to lack of concentration near the finish line?

3 majors for a player as talented as him is very,very bad.
It shows he can't win big games. (Not that this was a big game) but you can't be losing a first to 8 when your 6-1 up no matter what tournament it is!

You seem to be following me around looking to argue. Just ignore my posts if you dont like, no need for the smart remarks!

Devastator

Even with 2 WC's(even though he never should have gotten past Wade in semi. Windgate my hole IMO ) and all the talk about him for so many years I personally don't think he's really won(majors) what he should have.


I've watched nothing of this masters, just keeping eye on thread for few updates. Turned on earlier while Barney/MVG were warming up and turned over again

Whens the next major or tv tourney?(this time on sat night seems like easier option than looking) :pac:

ComfortKid

Devastator wrote:

Whens the next major or tv tourney?(this time on sat night seems like easier option than looking)

Haha. Think it's the Grand Prix in October? A long way off.

ComfortKid

Poor from MvG in the semis, never seen him miss so many doubles and be outscored aswell.
Taylor was always going to win this anyway.

Next ones on in Sydney this Thursday Friday and Saturday.

ThebitterLemon

mdwexford wrote: »

2 time World Champ has no bottle and can't handle pressure because he loses a fairly meaningless exhibition game.

You really do come out with some gems.

Not entirely sure I'd agree. Currently and in the recent past Lewis appears to be mentally fragile and not able to handle intense pressure, doesn't mean he wasn't able to in the past but a couple of knocks to your confidence can be hard to recover from. Just look at Barneys capitulations over the last few years when originally he seemed like a very confident guy.

TbL

mdwexford

ComfortKid wrote: »

Yep. How many times have we seen him bottle a big leads? How many finals and semis has he lost due to lack of concentration near the finish line?

3 majors for a player as talented as him is very,very bad.
It shows he can't win big games. (Not that this was a big game) but you can't be losing a first to 8 when your 6-1 up no matter what tournament it is!

You seem to be following me around looking to argue. Just ignore my posts if you dont like, no need for the smart remarks!

Not that many big leads in important games that I can think of tbh.

His consistency is his problem rather than bottle I think, he undoubtedly should have won loads more majors for the talent he has.

It's a discussion forum, I'm not out to get you don't worry.

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

Not entirely sure I'd agree. Currently and in the recent past Lewis appears to be mentally fragile and not able to handle intense pressure, doesn't mean he wasn't able to in the past but a couple of knocks to your confidence can be hard to recover from. Just look at Barneys capitulations over the last few years when originally he seemed like a very confident guy.

TbL

Can't agree with not being able to handle the pressure. He's produced his best darts in Worlds, Matchplay, big games vs Taylor, Anderson, MVG etc.

I think his A game is not shown consistently enough and he lacks killer instinct. He's too nice for his own good, always smiling and joking about on stage when he should be more focused on piling pressure on people.

ComfortKid

mdwexford wrote:

Not that many big leads in important games that I can think of tbh.

I'm not going doing research for you, but off the top of my head, Didn't he miss 9 or 12 match darts against Barney in the last world championship? There is loads more I'm sure of it.

He lacks killer instinct as you said yourself, he can't finish games off, He can't hold a lead like the other 'big boys' because he ****s himself, unless you have a better explanation?

Devastator

I actually don't buy into the argument that Lewis is a "nice fella" at all. Yes he has a jovial kind of presence but his sportsmanship leaves a lot to be desired and that for me shows the true character of the man rather than the persona he puts on.

From early in his career he's been involved in "incidents" on stage but over the last few years, especially in big games when he is loosing, his stalling tactics run riot. From his "Ohhh I've lost count taking 12 off 72" through complaining about wind to "I'm a big guy & can't help it" when hes registering on the richter scale. All BS excuses IMO that he has used to try and get an advantage over his opponent

mdwexford

ComfortKid wrote: »

I'm not going doing research for you, but off the top of my head, Didn't he miss 9 or 12 match darts against Barney in the last world championship? There is loads more I'm sure of it.

He lacks killer instinct as you said yourself, he can't finish games off, He can't hold a lead like the other 'big boys' because he ****s himself, unless you have a better explanation?

He was never more than 1 set ahead against Barney, that's not a big lead.

I said what I think above.
Concentration and focus are his problems I think.
He can make hard work of beating the lesser players sometimes and can be dragged down.

Devastator wrote: »

I actually don't buy into the argument that Lewis is a "nice fella" at all. Yes he has a jovial kind of presence but his sportsmanship leaves a lot to be desired and that for me shows the true character of the man rather than the persona he puts on.

From early in his career he's been involved in "incidents" on stage but over the last few years, especially in big games when he is loosing, his stalling tactics run riot. From his "Ohhh I've lost count taking 12 off 72" through complaining about wind to "I'm a big guy & can't help it" when hes registering on the richter scale. All BS excuses IMO that he has used to try and get an advantage over his opponent

He's very popular with the players and I've never heard anyone say a bad word about him.

Devastator

mdwexford wrote: »

He's very popular with the players and I've never heard anyone say a bad word about him.

Peter Manley's 1.

Taylor also seems very popular among the players but what they really think and say to tv cameras I feel is very different.

His "on stage antics" just annoy the balls off me because I believe he is a better player than having to resort to what is leaning towards cheating IMO.

ComfortKid

mdwexford wrote:

I said what I think above. Concentration and focus are his problems I think. He can make hard work of beating the lesser players sometimes and can be dragged down.

If concentration and focus are to blame then why does he reach so many quater and semi finals? He's a great player but I just don't think he can win games when it really matters, be it blowing big leads, missing lots of match darts in a close game or getting the brush, I'd say it's down to lack of mental strength.

ComfortKid

Devastator wrote:

From early in his career he's been involved in "incidents" on stage but over the last few years, especially in big games when he is loosing, his stalling tactics run riot. From his "Ohhh I've lost count taking 12 off 72" through complaining about wind to "I'm a big guy & can't help it" when hes registering on the richter scale. All BS excuses IMO that he has used to try and get an advantage over his opponent

Definitely. I've never ever seen a player to drop his darts as much either.. Rarely happens when he's winning though.

mdwexford

Devastator wrote: »

Peter Manley's 1.

Taylor also seems very popular among the players but what they really think and say to tv cameras I feel is very different.

His "on stage antics" just annoy the balls off me because I believe he is a better player than having to resort to what is leaning towards cheating IMO.

Manley is a known tosser.

Ah you can see what they really think of him sometimes though.
He's condescending, Lewis seems a genuine fella.

I can't say I'd have him in that bracket of gamesmanship myself.

ThebitterLemon

I can definetly agree with you there, Manley is an awful tosser alright

TbL

Devastator

mdwexford wrote: »

Manley is a known tosser.

Ah you can see what they really think of him sometimes though.
He's condescending, Lewis seems a genuine fella.

I can't say I'd have him in that bracket of gamesmanship myself.

No disagreements about Manley, even though I appreciate his playing of the panto villain well, just giving you an example of a player who had negative things to say about Lewis.

Can you see it really though? Or is that your opinion telling you that? The same way maybe that IMO I can see the lack of sportsmanship from Lewis Not sure how Lewis gets off with it because players don't say it but with Taylor you can see it. I think taylor's a right git myself though

All I would say is be aware of this when watching Lewis in future, maybe you will notice how frequently some of the examples crop up when he's playing compared to other players

ComfortKid

Heres the draw for the Sydney Masters for anyone interested (Nobody)

ComfortKid

Lewis throws away another comfortable lead today but manages to hit the double in the last leg decider

mdwexford

ComfortKid wrote: »

Lewis throws away another comfortable lead today but manages to hit the double in the last leg decider

He was never ahead by more than 2 legs, 2, do you have any idea what you're talking about no.

He beat a player averaging 12 points more than him, the world and prem league champ. Anything to say about that.

ComfortKid

I knew you'd bite.. ;-)

He played ok in fairness. Brilliant in the last leg against Whitlock and Ando.

Devastator

Geez you lads :rolleyes::D


Taylor 9 darter, don't know who against, final score or how many celebrity friends he thanked for helping him achieve such dreams

Thats all my updates

paulie21

Taylor 10-7 Wright Taylor 9 darter
Lewis 10-9 Barney

Taylor 11-3 Lewis

mdwexford

Devastator wrote: »

Geez you lads :rolleyes::D


Taylor 9 darter, don't know who against, final score or how many celebrity friends he thanked for helping him achieve such dreams

Thats all my updates

mackeire

is it just me or do the aussie commentators really have their heads shoved so far up phil taylors ar5e??

ComfortKid

Since I said that about Lewis last weekend, he wins 3 deciding legs, Typical! He shat himself again against barney but great in the last leg.

Super stuff from Phil Taylor. Seems to be the only player in good form out there. He will surly win next week's one too

ComfortKid

mackeire wrote:

is it just me or do the aussie commentators really have their heads shoved so far up phil taylors ar5e??

Yeah probably, Phil Taylor sells. I know he isn't really liked in this country? But he is loved everywhere else.

Sky say they still lose over 4 million viewers once Phils game is over. These events are about promotion so they are gonna show off and rave about the greatest darter ever.

ArmaniJeanss

ComfortKid wrote: »

Sky say they still lose over 4 million viewers once Phils game is over.

You pulled this figure directly out of your arse, yeah?

ComfortKid

No actually, I pulled it directly of Barry Hearns mouth, smart arse!

ComfortKid

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

You pulled this figure directly out of your arse, yeah?

It seems I did, woops. 4 million people tuned in, 40% turn off after Phils games. He said this last year. It's in an article in the guardian, I can't post a link

Devastator

ComfortKid wrote: »

It seems I did, woops. 4 million people tuned in, 40% turn off after Phils games. He said this last year. It's in an article in the guardian, I can't post a link

In these masters is that for? :eek: Didn't think so many would be interested

ComfortKid

Devastator wrote:

In these masters is that for? Didn't think so many would be interested

No, 2014 world championship. Thats over the whole tournament too Id say

Devastator

ComfortKid wrote: »

No, 2014 world championship. Thats over the whole tournament too Id say

lol was shocked thinking so many ppl were interested in the masters

yeah, seen this when looking for something earlier. TBH 4mil over the tournament sounds very low, especially if the final alone had 1.7m share. I wonder if these figures are just from sky subscribers(not inc cable services)? Obviously the number will be higher with viewers in bars, online streaming,dodgy tv boxes etc


http://www.pdc.tv/world-darts-championship/article/svhw0jqu5mdr1cm69xw93szh4/title/world-championship-smashes-tv-records

ComfortKid

Devastator wrote:

yeah, seen this when looking for something earlier. TBH 4mil over the tournament sounds very low, especially if the final alone had 1.7m share. I wonder if these figures are just from sky subscribers(not inc cable services)? Obviously the number will be higher with viewers in bars, online streaming,dodgy tv boxes etc

900k people watched the final on Sky. That could be just in the UK too,not sure. Im sure many millions more watched it as you said ilegally or in different countries.

My original point though, it's staggering that 40% of viewers turned off after his matches.

Devastator

ComfortKid wrote: »

900k people watched the final on Sky. That could be just in the UK too,not sure. Im sure many millions more watched it as you said ilegally or in different countries.

My original point though, it's staggering that 40% of viewers turned off after his matches.

That link reckons 1.7 for final...but either way I still think it sounds a bit low for a world final, especially as sky have said in the past that the darts is 1 of their highest watched sports.


lol what I was looking for earlier was to see if maybe Justin Pipe played Dennis Smith after a Taylor match, if that was the case it should have been more like 100% turned off ..... I usually turn off straight after his game & turn back about 10 mins later to avoid his insufferable interview :eek::D