Ireland v Scotland - RWC Warm Up

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

I know someone jumped the gun starting a thread for this match before we'd even played Wales but as Scotland have just announced their squad I thought it would be okay to start it up again?

Starting lineup not being named until Thursday but Henry Pyrgos is captain so safe to say he starts.

sydthebeat

so hugh blake set to make his scotland debut after his move from Otago, without playing a game for glasgow ... that wont go down well scottish faithful

edit: oops i see hes play 3 games for edinburgh.....

total former

sydthebeat wrote: »

so hugh blake set to make his scotland debut after his move from Otago, without playing a game for glasgow ... that wont go down well scottish faithful

edit: oops i see hes play 3 games for edinburgh.....

You're thinking of John Hardie. Blake (and Allan Dell) at least had the courtesy to move to Scotland a few months before the RWC squad was named.

Legion2008

Well both O'Driscoll and Bent played for Ireland before playing for Leinster .... so it's not unusual

Bent went straight to the Ireland training camp before ever seeing Leinster.

sydthebeat

total former wrote: »

You're thinking of John Hardie. Blake (and Allan Dell) at least had the courtesy to move to Scotland a few months before the RWC squad was named.

I know hardie from the highlanders, Blake was a controversial call up for the 6n squad from what i recall as he hadnt played a game in scotland at that stage#

as it turn out he didnt appear in the 6ns and has appeared for edinburgh since.

hes an ex all black u20 player and one to watch from all accounts.

sydthebeat

Legion2008 wrote: »

Bent went straight to the Ireland training camp before ever seeing Leinster.

that was a case of needs must.....

total former

Legion2008 wrote: »

Well both O'Driscoll and Bent played for Ireland before playing for Leinster .... so it's not unusual

Bent went straight to the Ireland training camp before ever seeing Leinster.

And I don't think anyone was happy with the Bent situation either.

The O'Driscoll case was an absolute outrage, excellent and pertinent example.

razorblunt

Spotted Denton out and about in Edinburgh when I was out for a run last week. He's looking huge, those French training camps look to have paid off. Have come across him a few time around the place, most recently back before the 6N and he looks to have bulked up quite a bit.

Quin_Dub

That Scotland squad is fairly mix & match - Missing quite a few 6N starters..

I was expecting a much stronger Irish line-up for this game - Something in the order of 8-10 "Starters" in the team..

Could there be another blow-out on the cards?

Maybe that's ok though - I fully expect both the English and Welsh games to be pretty full on..

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

I thought Scotland showed a lot of promise during the 6 Nations, they were seriously lacking in the concentration department though, discipline was an issue too. Interesting to see if they've managed to sort any of that out. Unlikely to get a good picture this weekend though, it's their first warm up match so it's probably another case of coaching staff getting a look at fringe players and last chancers before cutting the squad.

.ak

Legion2008 wrote: »

Well both O'Driscoll and Bent played for Ireland before playing for Leinster .... so it's not unusual

Bent went straight to the Ireland training camp before ever seeing Leinster.

Yeah but there was uproar at the time that a northside was parachuted into squad.

... some people still haven't gotten over it!

My guess at the Ireland Team:

Dave Kilcoyne
Sean Cronin
Marty Moore
Paul O'Connell (c)
Donnchadh Ryan
Jordi Murphy
Chris Henry
Felix Jones
Isaac Boss
Paddy Jackson
Kearney Jnr
Felix Jones
Keith Earls
Felix Jones
Felix Jones

Bench
Rory Best
Felix Jones
Felix Jones
Sean O'Brien
Felix Jones
Simon Zebo
Felix Jones

fghty6

come on ireland

Quin_Dub

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I thought Scotland showed a lot of promise during the 6 Nations, they were seriously lacking in the concentration department though, discipline was an issue too. Interesting to see if they've managed to sort any of that out. Unlikely to get a good picture this weekend though, it's their first warm up match so it's probably another case of coaching staff getting a look at fringe players and last chancers before cutting the squad.

They certainly had their moments and it was hard to understand how the Glasgow contingent were unable to bring their club performances to the International arena..

Scotland "could" be competitive but they look like a team with absolutely zero confidence and as soon as they go a score down, they begin to lose shape & discipline making it even harder for themselves..

Maybe the Pro12 win for Glasgow will help on the confidence front - I hope so..it would be good for the game if they were genuinely competitive...

Quin_Dub

Deleted User wrote: »

My guess at the Ireland Team:

Dave Kilcoyne
Sean Cronin
Marty Moore
Paul O'Connell (c)
Donnchadh Ryan
Jordi Murphy
Chris Henry
Felix Jones
Isaac Boss
Paddy Jackson
Kearney Jnr
Felix Jones
Keith Earls
Felix Jones
Felix Jones

Bench
Rory Best
Felix Jones
Felix Jones
Sean O'Brien
Felix Jones
Simon Zebo
Felix Jones

Outrageous... Felix Jones has to start in the Front-row.. Just head and shoulders above the others......

Quin_Dub

Quin_Dub wrote: »

They certainly had their moments and it was hard to understand how the Glasgow contingent were unable to bring their club performances to the International arena..

Scotland "could" be competitive but they look like a team with absolutely zero confidence and as soon as they go a score down, they begin to lose shape & discipline making it even harder for themselves..

Maybe the Pro12 win for Glasgow will help on the confidence front - I hope so..it would be good for the game if they were genuinely competitive...

Glasgow are a good Pro12 level team but those players all need to translate up to International standard which many of them don't and Scotland are so reliant on them for the backbone of the team that it dilutes the competitiveness of their national side. I still think they should have done better in the 6N however.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Quin_Dub wrote: »

They certainly had their moments and it was hard to understand how the Glasgow contingent were unable to bring their club performances to the International arena..

Scotland "could" be competitive but they look like a team with absolutely zero confidence and as soon as they go a score down, they begin to lose shape & discipline making it even harder for themselves..

Maybe the Pro12 win for Glasgow will help on the confidence front - I hope so..it would be good for the game if they were genuinely competitive...

The England game was the perfect example of this. 13-10 up at half time, playing well then don't score again and lose 25-13.

Quin_Dub

Deleted User wrote: »

Glasgow are a good Pro12 level team but those players all need to translate up to International standard which many of them don't and Scotland are so reliant on them for the backbone of the team that it dilutes the competitiveness of their national side. I still think they should have done better in the 6N however.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

The England game was the perfect example of this. 13-10 up at half time, playing well then don't score again and lose 25-13.

They seem to be severely lacking in on-field leadership...No one appears to be able to keep them calm and focused on the basics..

The Italy game showed that in spades - It was a game they should have won all day long , but they panicked, lost the plot and just did some really stupid things to lose the game..

Where were the leaders to close that out??

Back on the current game - Can't see anything other than an Irish victory here regardless of the team selected... If as I suspect a few more "big guns" get game time, it could be quite a comfortable margin..

connachta

Marmion to start!!!

.ak

connachta wrote: »

Marmion to start!!!

Or Boss.


:pac:

connachta

.ak wrote: »

Or Boss.


:pac:

Ya this hypothesis was already imagined in page one. I am the only one allowed to be vocal and insistant, because Dublin population is the double of the entire Connacht one. I don't worry for Boss "support" : there will always be guys advocating for any Leinster player here;)

.ak

connachta wrote: »

Ya this hypothesis was already imagined in page one. I am the only one allowed to be vocal and insistant, because Dublin population is the double of the entire Connacht one. I don't worry for Boss "support" : there will always be guys advocating for any Leinster player here;)

Nick McCarthy then. :pac:

connachta

.ak wrote: »

Nick McCarthy then. :pac:

Or Caolin Blade:cool:

aimee1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My guess at the Ireland Team:

Dave Kilcoyne
Sean Cronin
Marty Moore
Paul O'Connell (c)
Donnchadh Ryan
Jordi Murphy
Chris Henry
Felix Jones
Isaac Boss
Paddy Jackson
Kearney Jnr
Felix Jones
Keith Earls
Felix Jones
Felix Jones

Bench
Rory Best
Felix Jones
Felix Jones
Sean O'Brien
Felix Jones
Simon Zebo
Felix Jones

Is Moore back from injury?


Kilcoyne, best, moore/ross
Poc, toner
pom, sob, murphy

Murray, sexton

Zebo, henshaw, payne, bowe, he who cant tackle


Reckon it will be a strong team to give guys who didnt play in wales a run out.

total former

.ak wrote: »

Or Boss.


:pac:

Sure didn't Marmion get a grand ten minute run out at the weekend? It's Boss Time!

connachta

total former wrote: »

Sure didn't Marmion get a grand ten minute run out at the weekend? It's Boss Time!

for ten minutes max, then:D

Quin_Dub

aimee1 wrote: »

Is Moore back from injury?


Kilcoyne, best, moore/ross
Poc, toner
pom, sob, murphy

Murray, sexton

Zebo, henshaw, payne, bowe, he who cant tackle


Reckon it will be a strong team to give guys who didnt play in wales a run out.

Don't think we'll go quite that strong, certainly not to start.

Doubt we'll see Murray or Sexton just yet (might have Murray on the bench)

Depending on the Fitness of Moore and Cronin I can see both them them starting , with Bent at 1 quite possibly.

I'd go for (assuming availability)

Bent Cronin Moore
Ryan POC
SOB Henry Murphy
Boss/Marmion
Madigan
D Kearney
Henshaw Payne
Bowe
R Kearney

Bench - Kilcoyne , Best ,Ross, Toner , POM , Murray, Jackson , Luke Fitzgerald.

blackcard

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My guess at the Ireland Team:

Dave Kilcoyne
Sean Cronin
Marty Moore
Paul O'Connell (c)
Donnchadh Ryan
Jordi Murphy
Chris Henry
Felix Jones
Isaac Boss
Paddy Jackson
Kearney Jnr
Felix Jones
Keith Earls
Felix Jones
Felix Jones

Bench
Rory Best
Felix Jones
Felix Jones
Sean O'Brien
Felix Jones
Simon Zebo
Felix Jones

We all dream of a team of Felix Jones's

total former

If Murray isn't starting I'd play Reddan again tbh. If Sexton isn't starting, then Madigan.

I'd say Moore, SOB, Fitz and Cronin will only bench if they've been carrying injury.

typhoony

Felix Jones seems to be the one player that unites leinster and munster fans, personally i think he's overrated, also he doesnt seem to play any other position in the backline other than full-back

sydthebeat

typhoony wrote: »

Felix Jones seems to be the one player that unites leinster and munster fans, personally i think he's overrated, also he doesnt seem to play any other position in the backline other than full-back

his first 2(?) appearances for ireland under Joe was on the wing

stephen_n

Is Cronin available for selection yet, not sure Moore is either.

mfceiling

Anyone know where you can watch this game while driving from bologna to the cinque terre?






The most thinly veiled "I'm off on my holidays tomorrow and will not be concerning myself with this game"!!

Noopti

Expecting a slightly stronger team this week to the one from last week. Also expecting us to absolutely hammer Scotland based on their team.

Stheno

Is Ritchie Gray part of the Scotland squad?

Witheringeye

McGrath
Best
Moore/Ross
Ryan
POC
POM
Henry
Ryan

Reddan
Jackson
DKearney
Henshaw
Earls
Bowe
Kearney

Kilcoyne
Strauss
Bent
Henderson
SOB
Murray
Madigan
Fitz

I don't see Madigan getting any starts over the course of the warm ups as unless Jackson and sexton get injured he won't start a game at World Cup. But he'll bench every game

Witheringeye

Meant jordi Murphy not Ryan at 8!

thomond2006

I hope Murray-Sexton-Henshaw-Earls is tried at some stage.

connachta

thomond2006 wrote: »

I hope Murray-Sexton-Henshaw-Earls is tried at some stage.

that's a constructive stance!:D

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Bit of an update on Trimble in that he's definitely out for the Scotland match. He's to have a scan on Wednesday to see what's happening. I assume this is another scan as he was supposed to have one on Monday too?

Quin_Dub

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Bit of an update on Trimble in that he's definitely out for the Scotland match. He's to have a scan on Wednesday to see what's happening. I assume this is another scan as he was supposed to have one on Monday too?

The fact that it's a foot injury is a concern...

Have they said if it's the same foot that kept him out all year?

Quin_Dub

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The fact that it's a foot injury is a concern...

Have they said if it's the same foot that kept him out all year?

His season injury was a problem with his big toe I gather. He sprained his ankle in the game against Wales so not related.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The fact that it's a foot injury is a concern...

Have they said if it's the same foot that kept him out all year?

I believe it's thr same foot. There was a picture of him on Saturday putting ice on his right foot in the dugouts. Pretty sure it was his right foot the surgery was on earlier this year.


EDIT: RTÉ are saying the first scan was inconclusive so he's having a second one tomorrow. They also imply that they're not overly concerned about it but obviously need to be sure.

sullivlo

I heard on q102 that there is bruising around a previous injury that they need a further scan on.

FR2

stephen_n wrote: »

Is Cronin available for selection yet, not sure Moore is either.

I expect Cronin will start between Kilcoyne and probably Ross (Always needs game time) Expect a surprise at 8 with Conan stepping up. Earls again at 13 would be great and will really shake Joe's thinking come Eng/Wales. Anyone else feel excited about Henshaw/Earls combo?

Quin_Dub

FR2 wrote: »

I expect Cronin will start between Kilcoyne and probably Ross (Always needs game time) Expect a surprise at 8 with Conan stepping up. Earls again at 13 would be great and will really shake Joe's thinking come Eng/Wales. Anyone else feel excited about Henshaw/Earls combo?

Don't think there's any chance of Conan playing to be honest... He's nowhere near consideration for the final 31 and at least 2 or 3 down the order on the back-ups..

I expect Murphy to start at 8 along side Henry and POM with SOB on the bench (or SOB start and POM on bench)... but definitely no Conan..

Much as I like the guy and see him as a potential long-term replacement for Heaslip, he's not near the level yet.

stephen_n

FR2 wrote: »

I expect Cronin will start between Kilcoyne and probably Ross (Always needs game time) Expect a surprise at 8 with Conan stepping up. Earls again at 13 would be great and will really shake Joe's thinking come Eng/Wales. Anyone else feel excited about Henshaw/Earls combo?

I would imagine Henshaw/Payne is set in stone, there is no likelihood of Earls starting 3 of the 4 tests, to be honest he had a good performance on Saturday but it's created a lot of unrealistic hype, there are still many flaws to his game as a 13.

Fitzgerald and Moore both resumed full contact training today, will be interesting to see if they come in for the welsh game.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

stephen_n wrote: »

I would imagine Henshaw/Payne is set in stone, there is no likelihood of Earls starting 3 of the 4 tests, to be honest he had a good performance on Saturday but it's created a lot of unrealistic hype, there are still many flaws to his game as a 13.

Henshaw/Payne are set in stone but are they aren't going to play all 80 minutes of all 4 pool matches, are they? Who is the first choice replacement for either position?

Just to be clear I'm not arguing for Earls, I'm genuinely wondering. Jackson is automatic replacement for Sexton (for arguments sake), Reddan for Murray, who steps in at 12 if Henshaw gets a knock and can't start against Italy, for example?

And you can't say Madigan because some people seem to think he's the automatic replacement for everyone.

Quin_Dub

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Henshaw/Payne are set in stone but are they aren't going to play all 80 minutes of all 4 pool matches, are they? Who is the first choice replacement for either position?

Just to be clear I'm not arguing for Earls, I'm genuinely wondering. Jackson is automatic replacement for Sexton (for arguments sake), Reddan for Murray, who steps in at 12 if Henshaw gets a knock and can't start against Italy, for example?

And you can't say Madigan because some people seem to think he's the automatic replacement for everyone.

From the likely squad I think the possibilities for the above scenario are

Payne @12 Earls @13
Payne @12 Bowe @13
Jackson @ 10 with Sexton @12

....and of course , Madigan @12

FR2

stephen_n wrote: »

I would imagine Henshaw/Payne is set in stone, there is no likelihood of Earls starting 3 of the 4 tests, to be honest he had a good performance on Saturday but it's created a lot of unrealistic hype, there are still many flaws to his game as a 13.

Fitzgerald and Moore both resumed full contact training today, will be interesting to see if they come in for the welsh game.

Not really basing it on one performance to be honest. I've always thought 13 suited him. He has a great ability to find gaps and has real off the mark pace. Payne just doesn't do it for me. Can see sexton getting a blow out also.

irishbucsfan

Quin_Dub wrote: »

From the likely squad I think the possibilities for the above scenario are

Payne @12 Earls @13
Payne @12 Bowe @13
Jackson @ 10 with Sexton @12

....and of course , Madigan @12

I actually don't think there's a possibility of us seeing any of those apart from Madigan at 12 inside Payne!