Are humans trapped in a system?

Dry Rain

For the past few years, I've been having anxiety attacks.
I live in the countryside, I love the countryside.
I love my life and am grateful for it, except for one thing...
I've been born into this world where everything is based on two things.
1. Employment/Money and 2. Governments and rules etc.
I may be showing signs of insanity, but I as a human being, a very special animal in my opinion, believe that the life I have been (without approval) born into is one big lie.
I believe that I as a human being, unlike all other animals, have no freedom.
You can't have rules and regulations and complete freedom in the same sentence.
The reason I believe I don't have freedom is because one minute I didn't exist, and the next thing I know is I am "travelling through a tunnel" into this world which has already been dominated by a group of people who, centuries ago said "Hey, we're the government and we control everything".

Please believe me, I'm not "trolling" or being silly on purpose or anything when I say this.

But I want to declare myself 100% free from money, taxes, governments, rules and regulations etc...
Now, I'm not suggesting that I should be allowed to freely run around shooting people.
These rules and regulations are supposed to protect the lives of everyone. But in my opinion, oppressing people with debt and mortgages etc is not protecting lives.
I would like to note that I am not in any financial crisis.

I would like to ask, is it possible for me to declare myself a proper human? Like, not a human that's inside this system of money?

I'm probably mentally disturbed but please pay respect to me.
I would also like to note that I am fully Irish and not a migrant. Not that there's anything wrong with those fellas except that they swarm in, get free houses, 3 meals a day and pocket money every week.

Oh and another thing. I want to own my land without people breeding down my neck wanting tax for it. Is that possible?
Am I obliged to participate in this evil system?

One more note. I'd consider myself a Conservative if that has anything to do with it.
Also, I want to adorn and use everything our fellow humans have invented.
The thing I mainly want to point out is, there is a lot of greed in this world.
It's all run on money. It would make more sense if our currency was something consumable, e.g. seeds or bread or cake or wine etc.

Do you really want to be a part of this system that has, throughout history, abused the Third World for its own progress? It wouldn't be necessary to steal money (in a way) off of the Third World in order to develop things if only people weren't so greedy and just contributed the materials necessary to develop things.

Do you agree or disagree with me? Please do not close this thread because you think I'm trying to act stupid or retarded on purpose.

Gatling

Take the Red Pill

Dry Rain

Gatling wrote: »

Take the Red Pill

Please read the whole post. I am not talking about our lives really being a simulation on a computer. I'm talking about this whole system of governments and money and greed.

Raging_Ninja

Money is just a rationing system. Without infinite resources, by getting rid of one rationing system you'd be replacing it with another.

Get rid of goverment and you'd replace it with the guy who could take as much as he can by force.

Money isn't the cause of greed. That's just people who want more.

SEPT 23 1989

Dry Rain wrote: »

taxes, governments, rules and regulations etc...

get enough money and you will be free of all those things

The_Valeyard

Dry Rain wrote: »

Please read the whole post. I am not talking about our lives really being a simulation on a computer. I'm talking about this whole system of governments and money and greed.

It's AH...

Burn your house,


Take all blue pills, the system demands it. Life it a rat race, make the most it.

kneemos

You're part of a community . That's what your taxes contribute to.
If you want to live off line build a shack in the hills,grow cabbages and hunt rabbits.

Junkyard Tom

You want to have a cake and eat it.

diomed

Thinks will be ok tomorrow.

_Kaiser_

And the moral is... never post when still suffering from the night before folks

But no OP, I'm afraid you're stuck with the "system" unless you want to go live in a shack in the woods somewhere. The "migrant" bit of your post will probably get this thread locked shortly anyway

Dry Rain

kneemos wrote: »

You're part of a community .

That's the thing. Our early ancestors where fine without communities like ours and governments like ours and other **** like ours.

The_Valeyard

Dry Rain wrote: »

That's the thing. Our early ancestors where fine without communities like ours and governments like ours and other **** like ours.

We have always had communities and social orders. Even early man had a community of sorts

Dry Rain

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The "migrant" bit of your post will probably get this thread locked shortly anyway

Why?

It's actually true what I have said. I mean no offense to any migrant that might be reading this.

BBDBB

Play along with the system until you get sufficient funds to walk away

SEPT 23 1989

Dry Rain wrote: »

That's the thing. Our early ancestors where fine without communities like ours and governments like ours and other **** like ours.

and they were dead at 35

Raging_Ninja

Dry Rain wrote: »

That's the thing. Our early ancestors where fine without communities like ours and governments like ours and other **** like ours.

And they died in droves. About half their kids died before adulthood, they died when they cut their hands and got infected, they died in childbirth, they were killed by animals and each other.

The Backwards Man

We're caught in a trap

kneemos

Dry Rain wrote: »

That's the thing. Our early ancestors where fine without communities like ours and governments like ours and other **** like ours.

You need to look at things in reverse and appreciate what you receive from the community.

The_Valeyard

The Backwards Man wrote: »

We're caught in a trap

I can't walk out.

SEPT 23 1989

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

And they died in droves. About half their kids died before adulthood, they died when they cut their hands and got infected, they died in childbirth, they were killed by animals and each other.

I don't think he cares who lives or dies in his twisted fantasy

Raging_Ninja

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I can't walk out.

Because I love you too much, baby.

Penny Tration

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I can't walk out.

Because I love you too much, baby.

Penny Tration

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Because I love you too much, baby.

Damnit!

bnt

100-200 years ago, you could emigrate to the USA and make a new life there. No immigration formalities of any sort. Plenty of good land going spare, if you wanted to go in to farming: find a plot on the outskirts of town, stake out a claim, and get to work. There was always the call of the Wild West, the Frontier where anything was possible.

Now, there's no more frontier, no more unclaimed land anywhere you'd want to live. It's all owned by someone, all needed for something. There are still people who will stop on a piece of land and exploit it, and we call them "travellers" in this country. Why is the world "full"? Because there are too many people on it, that's why.

One eyed Jack

Dry Rain wrote: »

That's the thing. Our early ancestors where fine without communities like ours and governments like ours and other **** like ours.

OP what age are you?

Our earliest ancestors lived in communities and formed systems of government like ours and indeed, other shìt like ours.

Duckworth_Luas

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

Because I love you too much, baby.

In the ghetto

Sir Osis of Liver.

I came to this country with one euro in my pocket.



I now own a shopping trolley.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Yes, it's called Democracy.

Dry Rain

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

I presume you work? And never need to visit hospitals or use roads or any other services your taxes pay for?

We've always had to work to live, every animal has to. Turning our excess labour past feeding and housing ourselves into currency that be used to buy and do anything you want is possibly the most enabling thing that has ever happened to the common man.

This is exactly my problem with this world. Greed.

This is the current, greed filled world:
Builder: Hey, I need X amount of Y to build this road.
Miner guy (or something): Ok, that will be €XXXX.XX

This is what the world should be like:
Builder: Hey, I want to build a road for the community. I need X amount of Y.
Miner guy: Ok, where do you want the materials delivered?

Certain people take natural resources and only share it for **** called money.

Raging_Ninja

Dry Rain wrote: »

This is exactly my problem with this world. Greed.

This is the current, greed filled world:
Builder: Hey, I need X amount of Y to build this road.
Miner guy (or something): Ok, that will be €XXXX.XX

This is what the world should be like:
Builder: Hey, I want to build a road for the community. I need X amount of Y.
Miner guy: Ok, where do you want the materials delivered?

Certain people take natural resources and only share it for **** called money.

What does the miner get for his effort? A warm fuzzy feeling? Or something he can use to feed his family and keep the heat on?

alb

I don't know if you already know this, but your thinking isn't something new or uncommon and covers many common libertarian concepts such as Anarcho-capitalism, the NAP and Commodity money

Personally I'm not on board with most of it. Our current system isn't perfect but going down the An-cap route would also bring a whole slew of new problems. I guess my current view is that maybe we should aim for Minarchism using technology to reduce our dependence on the state and central entities (such as banks) whereever possible.

Greed is a human trait, it's not a product of the system. That will never change unless there is unlimited resources.

The state is basically a mafia, where you get to vote for who the new Dons are every few years. Like any other mafia, you'll get some protection, handing over the money to them is not optional and ultimately you'll face violent enforcement if you resist it persistently enough. And most people are ok with this.

ComfortKid

Thats illegal. He would need planning permission.

It is next to impossible to live "off the grid"

NachoBusiness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouANEo2w0Pg

Wilberto

That sounds an awful lot like freeman talk to me! :pac:

blatantrereg

European Democracies allow quite a lot of freedom. Non-democratic countries generally cannot compare.

You could say that the absence of government would free you from this evil system. However the absence of an established government generally results in worse conditions than all but the most oppressive regimes.

So you want the security, peace and ownership of property that having an established government enables you to have... And you want increased border controls. But you also wish to remove yourself entirely from the "evil system" and not contribute anything to it. Comes down to wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

kneemos

Dry Rain wrote: »

This is exactly my problem with this world. Greed.

This is the current, greed filled world:
Builder: Hey, I need X amount of Y to build this road.
Miner guy (or something): Ok, that will be €XXXX.XX

This is what the world should be like:
Builder: Hey, I want to build a road for the community. I need X amount of Y.
Miner guy: Ok, where do you want the materials delivered?

Certain people take natural resources and only share it for **** called money.

If you want someone to deliver the materials you'll need to give them an incentive of some sort.
If you want to barter it's still a monetary system of sorts.

Eugene Norman

Very confused post OP.

The answer is yes, we are trapped in the money system. And no we can't do anything about it until the machines can do everything and there is no need for rationing of resources. Even then the amount of land is limited. You say you want to have some land? Why you and not somebody else?

Money is a rationing system. It would be great if we couldn't ration but we have to. It would be great if money were distributed more evenly.

Dry Rain

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

What does the miner get for his effort? A warm fuzzy feeling? Or something he can use to feed his family and keep the heat on?

He took resources from the earth. He gave them to someone else.

To answer your question, he goes to a farmer and asks for food. Or maybe he is also a farmer? Or maybe he hunts a cow or chicken, like nature intended.

diomed

Eugene Norman wrote: »

It would be great if money were distributed more evenly.

It would be great if we could get it while sitting on our ar5es.

looksee

OP, you have a computer, you have access to electricity and the internet. You slept somewhere last night, you ate food today, you have a roof over your head presumably, clothes, access to medical care. How do you think all these things are provided? What alternative do you suggest?

One eyed Jack

Dry Rain wrote: »

He took resources from the earth. He gave them to someone else.

To answer your question, he goes to a farmer and asks for food. Or maybe he is also a farmer? Or maybe he hunts a cow or chicken, like nature intended.

Yeah, that worked out really well for Cecil the lion, look at all the freedom he had, until he didn't.

Dry Rain

looksee wrote: »

OP, you have a computer, you have access to electricity and the internet. You slept somewhere last night, you ate food today, you have a roof over your head presumably, clothes, access to medical care. How do you think all these things are provided? What alternative do you suggest?

My alternative is commonwealth.

Share the wealth.

Sharing is caring.

Commonwealth.

All of that stuff is possible without money. We should all generate our own electricity. Or the "government" should ensure equality and make sure that everyone has unrestricted access to it and other resources. The government should be run by generous people and not greedy ****s. Look at government paychecks.

The_Valeyard

Dry Rain wrote: »

My alternative is commonwealth.

Share the wealth.

Sharing is caring.

Commonwealth.

All of that stuff is possible without money. We should all generate our own electricity. Or the "government" should ensure equality and make sure that everyone has unrestricted access to it and other resources. The government should be run by generous people and not greedy ****s. Look at government paychecks.

So.....communism??

ceadaoin.

Dry Rain wrote: »

He took resources from the earth. He gave them to someone else.

To answer your question, he goes to a farmer and asks for food. Or maybe he is also a farmer? Or maybe he hunts a cow or chicken, like nature intended.

He spends his time mining, when will he be able to hunt or farm?

donegaLroad

part of the reason the system is there OP, is because of this.

https://gailtheactuary.files.wordpre...20-to-2010.png


The world's population has grown from 1.5 billion in 1900, to 7 billion in 2015.

It has more than quadrupled in 100 years.

As it stands, if the developing world were to live as we do in the first world, we would need 7 times Earths present resources, which of course is impossible.

Therefore a system has been implemented which ensures that the majority of the world's population will never rise above its present meager standard of living.

The Function of Poverty

Dry Rain

donegaLroad wrote: »

part of the reason the system is there OP, is because of this.


The world's population has grown from 1.5 billion in 1900, to 7 billion in 2015.

It has more than quadrupled in 100 years.

As it stands, if the developing world were to live as we do in the first world, we would need 7 times Earths present resources, which of course is impossible.

Therefore a system has been implemented which ensures that the majority of the world's population will never rise above its present meager standard of living.

Well maybe people should have spent more time developing condoms and not developing dirty videos and putting them on the internet.

NotCominBack

donegaLroad wrote: »

Therefore a system has been implemented which ensures that the majority of the world's population will never rise above its present meager standard of living.

The pill?

Tigger

Dry Rain wrote: »

This is exactly my problem with this world. Greed.

This is the current, greed filled world:
Builder: Hey, I need X amount of Y to build this road.
Miner guy (or something): Ok, that will be €XXXX.XX

This is what the world should be like:
Builder: Hey, I want to build a road for the community. I need X amount of Y.
Miner guy: Ok, where do you want the materials delivered?

Certain people take natural resources and only share it for **** called money.

my personal motto is : i'd love to help everyone but you have to kick and scream for whats yours in life so i help me and mine.
unfortunately social anarchy (which is what you are suggesting) will be defeated by selfishness and so structure exists out of necessity.

super_furry

What you're looking for has already been tried in Russia and Eastern Europe. Human nature and greed has ensured that it didn't work.

The current system we have of a capitalist democracy isn't perfect, but it's better than any other alternative that's been tried.

ComfortKid

Dry Rain wrote:

Well maybe people should have spent more time developing condoms and not developing dirty videos and putting them on the internet.

Dirty videos would actually reduce population growth as it means people aren't having sex, they are masturbating.

Greentopia

Nothing wrong with questioning the status quo and yes it is possible to live without money-google Mark Boyle moneyless man or Heidi Schwermer who's been living on no money whatsoever for 16 years: http://livingwithoutmoney.org
And there are others.

Taxes or contributions to the community in some form (local currency perhaps) are probably necessary though to maintain roads, healthcare, education, public transport, and so on.

I feel similarly in many ways (except for the migrant comment)-I would have the state and the fiat currency system abolished in my ideal world, but we're stuck with it unless we have a workers revolution like Spain had in 1936.

I'd favour a non-market economic and social self managed society.-i.e Left Libertarianism.

See what you think. A better world is possible and this philosophy for me is the best hope for happiness and fulfilment for the most people. It's a beautiful peaceful philosophy that utilises the talents and creativity of human beings while respecting the natural world. You say you're conservative so If you want to be an individual libertarian you can be accommodated within such a system too because one of the principles of left libertarianism is that it's non coercive.

Best of luck.