Man Utd jersey sexist?

frostyjacks

Is the new Man Utd jersey for ladies sexist?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3184811/Manchester-United-kit-maker-adidas-defend-sexist-plunging-neckline-women-s-shirt-lifestyle-range.html

I would have thought offering a jersey specifically for female supporters is the opposite of sexism.

It looks well on, and I'd be interested to see the GAA or rugby produce something similar.

Samaris

Meeh. I wouldn't wear it myself. The male ones look like sports jerseys. That one just looks like...cheerleader. I'd wear a male one myself before that yoke. Also, seriously, if you have any sized breasts over a B-cup, you're practically falling out of the damned thing. Wardrobe malfunctions incoming, next game.

https://killerfashionirl.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/67800831large.jpg?w=346&h=444&crop=1

Way more reasonable. Slightly fitted, normal neckline suitable for sports and a reasonable amount of cup-room (although I'd say you still wouldn't want to try wearing it over a C-cup+).

Sexist is a dangerous word. But I would lean towards it's intended to look a bit sluttish, which isn't really very respectful of their fans.

NachoBusiness

What nonsense.

The Aston Villa jersey is obviously the sexiest.

BoJack Horseman

Giving women the choice of appearing more feminine & sexy, while supporting their team isn't misogynistic in the slightest.

Faux-outrage of the day.

Larbre34

All the Irish provinces and Irish Rugby do produce a female specific fitted supporters jersey, cut to womens tastes and assets all popular sizes, have done for about 8 years. No complaints.

These arent the jersey the womens teams play in, so what the big flippin deal? Its not like lingerie football or anything?!

Dravokivich

Well the latest thing is that air conditioning is sexist. This is getting to be just like how everything gives you cancer. Absolute nonsence.

Little CuChulainn

If a woman doesn;t like it can't she simply buy the one without a plunged neckline?

Samaris

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

If a woman doesn;t like it can't she simply buy the one without a plunged neckline?

Yep, we can. And probably will. ^^

Gatling

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

If a woman doesn;t like it can't she simply buy the one without a plunged neckline?

Yes they can

melted_face

a few teams are doing it , including plenty of gaa teams . i dont think its sexist tbh but its not really for me to judge

https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=706&q=gaa+women+jersey&oq=gaa+women+jersey&gs_l=img.3...2521.7903.0.8153.16.16.0.0.0.0.85.1034.16.16.0....0...1.1.64.img..6.10.667.uYrCBigID2c#tbm=isch&q=gaa+womens+jersey+kerry&imgrc=fbcIDwQShr_2FM%3A

Omackeral

I've seen lads walking around with tops that show ridiculous amount of chest. Most likely spotted going to overrated sh*tholes like Nando's for some cheeky bants with the lads. God, I hate soceity.

Darkglasses

The neckline is fecking ridiculous, but I'm not sure sexism is the right word for it.

eviltwin

If you want to wear a sports top wouldn't you want the official version in a woman's size rather than an entirely new design? It's not sexist but just unnecessary. I'd wear the mens myself.

rubadub

Samaris wrote: »

Sexist is a dangerous word.

I don't think it has to be, it usually does have negative connotations, but doesn't have to if you take the literal meaning.

Sexism or gender discrimination is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender.

You could say other clothing is sexist -women would not need "ball room" in their shorts. Or you could say they judged that men would need ball room.

http://store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/en/product/manchester-united-jog-shorts---grey-rock-marl---womens/155501

There was uproar about a womens cycling team outfit that made it appear like they were partially nude. People screaming that the designers were mysoginist sleazy bastards. Then they got all confused and quiet when it turned out a woman designed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXq0IkzyT2Q

Omackeral wrote: »

I've seen lads walking around with tops that show ridiculous amount of chest.

+1, I could picture some lad like Ronaldo jumping at the chance to wear something like that.

Nodin

Samaris wrote: »

Meeh. I wouldn't wear it myself. The male ones look like sports jerseys. That one just looks like...cheerleader. I'd wear a male one myself before that yoke. Also, seriously, if you have any sized breasts over a B-cup, you're practically falling out of the damned thing. Wardrobe malfunctions incoming, next game.
.....

That'd be terrible, just terrible.

Tommy Kelly

Samaris wrote: »

Yep, we can. And probably will. ^^

Ah Jaysus

One eyed Jack

Samaris wrote: »

Meeh. I wouldn't wear it myself. The male ones look like sports jerseys. That one just looks like...cheerleader. I'd wear a male one myself before that yoke. Also, seriously, if you have any sized breasts over a B-cup, you're practically falling out of the damned thing. Wardrobe malfunctions incoming, next game.

Sudden upsurge in attendance figures at Old Trafford...

Sexist is a dangerous word. But I would lean towards it's intended to look a bit sluttish, which isn't really very respectful of their fans.

Really? That's even more harsh than sexist! I mean, obviously the tee shirt is sexist, it's made for women, but sluttish? I'm sure if a woman wears a good bra underneath, she'll be able to keep her chesticles under control :pac:

Low-cut V-neck tops have been women's fashion for decades. This is nothing but another social media storm in a teacup.

Big Nasty

I wouldn't go outside the door with a girl in a football jersey.

eviltwin

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

If a woman doesn;t like it can't she simply buy the one without a plunged neckline?

Would they fit?

BoJack Horseman

Bojanlos wrote: »

No one said it's misogynistic, it's sexist by definition.

Your right.

We should all wear identical clothing to avoid gender definition outrage.

We'll need at Penny's ladies dept to burn it down.

Larbre34

Would the ladies among you consider this too sexy / sexist?

http://www.lifestylesports.com/en/restofworld/leinster-rugby/womens-leinster-home-pros/invt/67801020

Would women normally like wearing stuff that is ungathered at the waist and high on the neck like a mans shirt collar?

Dont think so.

anncoates

Those jerseys are handy for spotting tits all over Ireland, what's new?

keano_afc

Good on the Daily Mail not getting involved in this sexism by posting a pic of a fan with massive jugs wearing said shirt.

Samaris

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Really? That's even more harsh than sexist! I mean, obviously the tee shirt is sexist, it's made for women, but sluttish? I'm sure if a woman wears a good bra underneath, she'll be able to keep her chesticles under control :pac:

Low-cut V-neck tops have been women's fashion for decades. This is nothing but another social media storm in a teacup.

Hm, yes, maybe it was a rather harsh word to use. My point is that it's intended to accentuate sexuality of the person wearing it. Sports isn't about sexuality. If I go to see a game, I don't particularly want my cleavage showing to that extent. If I'm being active and jumping up and down, I don't particularly want to risk taking someone's eye out either! :P You'd also need to be careful what bra you wore with that - most bras that give good support will cover the cups, so a generic bra (or a sports bra) would certainly show under that.

It's rather unfairly pushing the boob thing. The fellas go in their normal jerseys that look just like the real ones and support the team. The women, if they go in that look...well, they don't. It's a little patronising, I suppose. Yeah, we can just buy the male jerseys and grand. But would it have -killed- them to just make a normal jersey to go support a team thing without having to make it all about the boob-window?

Gatling

Darkglasses wrote: »

The neckline is fecking ridiculous, but I'm not sure sexism is the right word for it.

It's not that bad .

Whats next ban all low cut tops

Dr. Mantis Toboggan

What's wrong with being sexy?

Adamocovic

Don't think it's sexist myself. It has been done for a lot of ladies football jerseys in the past and I haven't heard any complaints (I think just because it's a big team like United papers are running it to get views).

Also it's just an alternative, people can buy the other one if they wish, but they might prefer the ladies one.

It's a common design for most adidas ladies kit. Examples:

http://images.sportsdirect.com/images/products/37971213_l.jpg
http://images.sportsdirect.com/images/products/37610021_l.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GV61oxVmL.jpg
http://pondokjersey.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Jersey-Ladies-Real-Madrid-Home-2014-2015.png

Larbre34

To be fair, arent most womens clothes made to accommodate breasts, even work blouses, winter coats etc?

This is made for a womans shape, and to show a sporting support, but I wouldnt consider it sexy at all..........

http://shop.irishrugby.ie/kit-c2/jerseys-c35/ireland-rwc-2015-home-classic-l-s-womens-jersey-p3255

BoJack Horseman

Dr. Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

What's wrong with being sexy?

The non-sexy will feel inadequate.

Sheeps

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Faux-outrage of the day.

The sexist aircon beats this surely.

anncoates

keano_afc wrote: »

Good on the Daily Mail not getting involved in this sexism by posting a pic of a fan with massive jugs wearing said shirt.

To be fair, judging by those pictures, the cleavage doesn't look any more revealing than a normal woman's t shirt.

Presumably women can just buy a man's version if they don't want the style.

There's an unfortunate rush to label things as sexism when they're probably market led. Some women might want a more fitted, low neck version that's not catered for by wearing a male version.

Samaris

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

The non-sexy will feel inadequate.

Or just maaaaybe, we're not all focused constantly on how we look to the opposite (or same) gender all of the time. Sometimes, we just want to go see a game.

I know, unbelievable, right?

Ethel

No female shirt, sexist. Give them effeminate version, sexist. You just can't win with some people. If female supporters do not want any hint of cleaveage, then a white vest top under it would remedy the problem, or buy the the male version.

Faux outrage / attention seeking. Horseshït.

eviltwin

Larbre34 wrote: »

To be fair, arent most womens clothes made to accommodate breasts, even work blouses, winter coats etc?

This is made for a womans shape, and to show a sporting support, but I wouldnt consider it sexy at all..........

http://shop.irishrugby.ie/kit-c2/jerseys-c35/ireland-rwc-2015-home-classic-l-s-womens-jersey-p3255

Accommodating is fine, accentuating is not.

Barely There

One eyed Jack wrote: »

.This is nothing but another social media storm in a teacup.

Or even a C-cup.

Sir Gallagher

It looks ridiculous tbh, doesnt look functional for playing in. In this day and age where womens football is becoming more and more popular i cant see why they cant just bring out a jersey for women which is good for playing in whilst having a decent fit.

The mens jersey is made for fashion and function, while the women's jersey is fashion only. Seems a bit sexist to me.

BoJack Horseman

Samaris wrote: »

Or just maaaaybe, we're not all focused constantly on how we look to the opposite (or same) gender all of the time.

Many do though.

I've been to hundreds of matches across several sports & looking hot on gameday is a concept that exists.

ohnonotgmail

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

It looks ridiculous tbh, doesnt look functional for playing in. In this day and age where womens football is becoming more and more popular i cant see why they cant just bring out a jersey for women which is good for playing in whilst having a decent fit.

The mens jersey is made for fashion and function, while the women's jersey is fashion only. Seems a bit sexist to me.

it is not a playing jersey. its a supporters jersey. perhaps there are some female supporters that dont want to look like a sack of spuds wearing a jersey designed for a man?

Samaris

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Many do though.

I've been to hundreds of matches across several sports & looking hot is a concept that exists.

True. Oh whatever anyway, it's all down to whatever someone wants to wear. I'd personally prefer the option to wear a sports shirt I could actually do something in, like play sports. But I'm not a ManU supporter anyway, so it doesn't really affect me

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it is not a playing jersey. its a supporters jersey. perhaps there are some female supporters that dont want to look like a sack of spuds wearing a jersey designed for a man?

Although I don't think that a woman in a male jersey looks like a "sack of spuds".

Little CuChulainn

eviltwin wrote: »

Accommodating is fine, accentuating is not.

Who are you, the fashion police?

kylith

Yeah, you could buy a men's one but because of differences in sizes a small men's shirt would be swimming on an average size woman.
(Source: Having to buy a large child's GAA jersey because apparently women wanting to wear one is strange)

Larbre34 wrote: »

To be fair, arent most womens clothes made to accommodate breasts, even work blouses, winter coats etc?

Accommodate, yes. Flaunt, no. They're roomier in the chest to accommodate the breasts, but aren't so low cut that, as with this jersey, you have to wear a plunge bra with it.

Is there a regular-neck ladies shirt also available, or is this it?

Gatling

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it is not a playing jersey. its a supporters jersey. perhaps there are some female supporters that dont want to look like a sack of spuds wearing a jersey designed for a man?

The keyword is Replica/Fashion top .

Most ladies i know including the wife like the the ladies version beats a shirt that was never designed for a multitude of breast sizes and bra types

Medusa22

I actually have to work up a response to this, other than indifference. I think that it is nice to have a more fitted option, and there is no issue with a woman preferring to buy the men's jersey instead, or is it unisex? I suppose it is really. I can understand that it is a bit low cut which some women might be uncomfortable with, not everyone wants to have their jugs on display all the time, especially if they just want to go and watch a match. I can't see this as a reason to get your knickers in a twist though. Doesn't this discriminate against women with small boobs too? Surely there must be more ways for people to be outraged :P

Mars Bar

They seem to think that women only wear them for parading around in. I happen to play football and am a United fan. Those photos make it look like my sports bra will be higher than the neck of the jersey. I want my jerseys to be carbon copy replicas and the neck is missing the black strip of the men's one.

I have the women's version of one of the L.A. Galaxy jerseys that also has a V-neck and it's lovely. It doesn't look as deep as this one.

I'll try the jersey on sometime myself and see what it's like. If it's too low then I'll just get a boys fit. It's a shame coz the hips of the boys is narrower than the women's and that makes it less comfortable.

Larbre34

kylith wrote: »

Yeah, you could buy a men's one but because of differences in sizes a small men's shirt would be swimming on an average size woman.
(Source: Having to buy a large child's GAA jersey because apparently women wanting to wear one is strange)


Accommodate, yes. Flaunt, no. They're roomier in the chest to accommodate the breasts, but aren't so low cut that, as with this jersey, you have to wear a plunge bra with it.

Is there a regular-neck ladies shirt also available, or is this it?

In the Man U jersey? No idea. Probably not, lots of girls just wear smaller mens sizes and rolls the sleeves / collar / waist as required.

The rugby jerseys are mostly button necked as it is

Mars Bar

kylith wrote: »

Is there a regular-neck ladies shirt also available, or is this it?

This is it, unfortunately.

Sir Gallagher

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it is not a playing jersey. its a supporters jersey. perhaps there are some female supporters that dont want to look like a sack of spuds wearing a jersey designed for a man?

You can design a female jersey without having a plunging neckline on show offering fck all support. E.g some of the female G.A.A jerseys linked above.

If there is a replica United jersey for women available which had both a good fit while being fuctional then that would be fair enough tbh.

lertsnim

Oh **** off. Buy the mens version if you are offended by it.

Samaris

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

You can design a female jersey without having a plunging neckline on show offering fck all support. E.g some of the female G.A.A jerseys linked above.

If there is a replica United jersey for women available which had both a good fit while being fuctional then that would be fair enough tbh.

I just did a bit of hunting, nope, that looks like the only female option.


By the way, anyone else now getting Adidas ads at the bottom of the screen? :pac:

lertsnim wrote: »

Oh **** off. Buy the mens version if you are offended by it.

God forbid we discuss fashion versus practicality.

Gatling

This the actual top minus the larger boobs and leaning forward pose to show more cleavage

Mars Bar

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

You can design a female jersey without having a plunging neckline on show offering fck all support. E.g some of the female G.A.A jerseys linked above.

If there is a replica United jersey for women available which had both a good fit while being fuctional then that would be fair enough tbh.

Last seasons jersey that I have is exactly this. I'll attach a photo in a minute.